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kchelp
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From:freeport, il, usa
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posted 01-07-2004 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kchelp     Edit/Delete Message
Well here is our problem. We have a 6 year old female Rat Terrier. within the last six months I have moved in with my significant other and her child. Up until then I was alone with the dog. We are having a problem that whenever we go to take her out of the house she becomes submissive and urinates on herself and the floor. She will even pee in her own cage when trying to remove her to take her out. In fact, that is half the problem she won't come out of her cage and rolls over in a submissive fashion. We have tried to be very positive and encourage her but the problem is only getting worse. She will be fine one day and even worse the next. She acts as though we beat her. I will say that she was not kept in a crate prior to living where we live now. Does she think this is a punishment to be in the cage. Another change is that in the past she was allowed to be on the furniture and with new furniture and an allergy to the dog hair she is no longer allowed. Could this be effecting her? The point is we are not sure what to do but its almost to the point where we have to get rid of her. Please help thanks

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dukesdad
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posted 01-08-2004 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dukesdad     Edit/Delete Message
Patience will be needed here for you have totally disrupted your girls world. Please look at some of the crate training sites you can find on this site: http://www.wonderpuppy.net/canwehelp/crate.htm
Form your description it is apparent she thinks she is being punished for all the activities that were OK just a while ago. She is confused and shaken.
There are plenty of experienced dog people who post on this site so come on folks, lets help kchelp with his problem.

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Jamiya
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posted 01-08-2004 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
I'll give it a shot, but I am out of my ballpark here.

I would say, if she doesn't want to come out of her cage, then why force her? Put the crate in a living area and open the door. Let her come out of her own accord. Maybe even set a bowl of something really yummy (or a little pile of treats) outside the door to encourage her. If she succumbs you can start moving it further away slowly- and I mean SLOWLY - like every time you give her more, set it an inch further away. Let her go at her own pace, even if it is just an inch a day.

Other than that, ignore her. You can talk to her as you go by, or maybe toss a treat in with her every once in a while. If there is some toy she loves, you could sit on the floor and watch TV, absently playing with the toy just outside her crate and see what she does.

She needs to figure out the new rules. Do follow the rules for crate training, but when you are home leave the door open and feed her inside the crate. Hopefully this will teach her the crate is not a punishment.

Give her some time to adjust. She doesn't know what happened to her world!


Jamiya

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honeybear
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posted 01-08-2004 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
I dont know much about this, but here is a web site to chekc out, they have great articles on behavior problems and things http://www.hsus.org/ace/15917

I owuld also contact a trainer that has expertise in this area
Good luck
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Maisey
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posted 01-08-2004 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
I also have no real experience with submissive urination. I think if she is scared and confused over recent changes, taking everything very slow is needed. I also think that finding a trainer, someone soft and someone who has experience in this should be sought out. Preferably someone who can come into your home and see the behavior.
This is one of thsoe issues that requires patience and a soft hand and voice. Try encouraging her to come to you. use treats or whatever she finds great value in and reward her any time she comes to you on her own. Get down on her level, don't tower above her. Think about your own body language as it must appear to her. Please don't give up on her...you made a commitment to this animal, thats for life. Utilize the tools that are out there, find someone to help you figure this out. Come here for support, we'll be here.

Maybe an x-pen instead of a crate...maybe using a sheeps skin on one little section of the furniture with a bluie under it and training her that that is her spot. She needs confidence building experiences.
Also consider using those panties used on females in heat...this may make the mess less and give you more patience.

Jas? RottyMommy? Goob? got advice here?

PS...has she been checked by a vet? She may have an infection or something, if she is six and knows going potty in the house is a no-no...that may account for the fearful behavior if she can't help the leaking. How has her arrangement for her potty place changed?

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puttin510
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posted 01-08-2004 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puttin510     Edit/Delete Message
When I got my terrier he did this. At first, I did the sit and say oh its ok thing. I think he thought he was going to be hit too. I soon started just walking by him when he would do the laying on his back and ignore him. Soon enough he saw that nothing would happen to him. He started feeling comfortable and stopped doing it. It will take a while but that may work. Let her come to you so she does not get stressed. Make sure girlfriends child is not being too rough with her too. That could be another issue.

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susan_cude@hotmail.com
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posted 01-08-2004 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for susan_cude@hotmail.com     Edit/Delete Message
I HAVE A QUESTION: YOU SAID THAT YOU JUST MOVED IN WITH YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER AND HER CHILD...HOW OLD IS THE CHILD? AND HAS YOUR DOG EVER BEEN AROUND CHILDREN? SOMETIMES CHILDREN ARE RUFF WITH PETS. I DON'T KNOW, JUST A THOUGHT....SUSAN

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