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Marcia McLean-Jasinski
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posted 01-02-2004 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
How many of you have now or ever had a Doberman. and what color did/Do you have.
Dobermans Dobermans dobermans lovable lap dogs, velco dogs, the cadallic of all dogs,
Red, Blue,Black, and Fawn(Isabella)

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3Dogsihave
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posted 01-02-2004 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3Dogsihave     Edit/Delete Message
I dont have any, nor have owned them but your are beautifull. I love seeing other peoples dogs. Maybe one day I will actually get pics of my furbabys on here.

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Marcia McLean-Jasinski
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posted 01-03-2004 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
what kind do you have would love to see them

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3Dogsihave
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posted 01-04-2004 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3Dogsihave     Edit/Delete Message
I have two pomeranians and a siberian husky. I dont have a comp at home just use the one at work. Maybe one day I will sneak in and use the scanner when no one is looking. LOL.

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candyapplekc
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posted 01-10-2004 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for candyapplekc     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a Doberman mom! I own a black & tan female. I grew up in a "Doberman" house. They are most definately the cadillac of dogs. And most definately velcro dogs, never again will you have bathroom privacy! And how can you not love that famous "Doberman stare".

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dogangel
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posted 01-11-2004 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogangel     Edit/Delete Message
My Cody is a Doberman/German Shepherd X. Which makes him double the Cadillac, and double velcro!!! Yes they are the sweetest dogs! I can't understand how some people can possibly be afraid of Dobermans or German Shepherds...(?)

This is Cody sleeping on mommy's leg:
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jan/20041112897252122400333.jpg

..and this is Cody sleeping on the loveseat:
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jan/20041114305113458078399.jpg

...and this is Cody keeping an eye on mommy:
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jan/20041117826255722946042.jpg

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Marcia McLean-Jasinski
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posted 01-11-2004 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
I think it is because people see them as monsters in the Movies.My neighbors used to be terrified until they got to know mine. now they ask to borrow them LOL.,The "im going to the ATM, or walk in the park, can I borrow Ginger, Angus Bella",sooo funny:0)
these are my babies pictures http://ourworld.cs.com/jkksdobermans/myhomepage/dog.html

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Marcia McLean-Jasinski
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posted 01-11-2004 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
Now that is really awesome a shepard with short hair I LOVE IT

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candyapplekc
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posted 01-13-2004 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for candyapplekc     Edit/Delete Message
Marcia-I have a question about ear stance. My friend has just adopted a 11 month old female. She looks to have had a good crop, but her left ear does not stand. Her right one stands perfectly. I have used Hoyt's Quick Brace in the past with excellent results. But I don't know if it would be worth her investing the money, since this pooch is already 11 months. Do you have any experience working with ears that don't want to stand? Thanks! And have a great Doberman day!

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Marcia McLean-Jasinski
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posted 01-13-2004 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
tell her to keep posting .Why did they not keep on wrapping it as soon as it fell? It is not too late if she is persistant as long as the cartalige is not broken with rubbing and taping it can still go up. If the cartilage is broken then surgery is the only option. their are implants she have put in or a mole surgery was prefomed on one of my pups with a show cut successfully. What state is she in?their are two really good vets here in Buffalo who do a great job if she is will to try.But i have heard of ears not going up as late as 15 months.

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Marcia Jasinski
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by Angus(Latvia) Kleo(Russia), Ginger and BellaDonna

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hopeful
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posted 01-14-2004 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Dogangel,

I am so happy to see your pictures. I have been searching online for a picture of a Doberman/German Shep. mix. I have been looking for the right opportunity to adopt a puppy for the last few months. After much thought and research, I thought a dobie/ger. shep would be a great mix! Tonight, I am going to look at a litter and hope it will be the right match. I want a male and my fiancee may get a female from the same litter. Any advice or thoughts about this mix and getting two siblings at once. I have a lot of experience with/training dogs. Thanks! Hopeful

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Jamiya
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posted 01-14-2004 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
Training two puppies at the same time can be a whole new ballgame. You might want to specifically research this issue before you make a decision.


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candyapplekc
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posted 01-16-2004 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for candyapplekc     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Marcia, My friend with the adopted Dobe lives in Iowa. I guess it is hard to find vets who preform crops in that area. What is the mole surgery that you had preformed on one of your pups? She has her Dobe wearing Hoyt's Quick Brace right now.

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Marcia McLean-Jasinski
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posted 01-16-2004 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
yes it is hard everywhere Its an art too that is why. Moleskin surgury the vet opens the ears and stitches molesik inside and removes it in a week or two. Ryan had it done for my Bellas brother Rommel. I did not get to see it but I know it worked they are up great right after.or implants. just updated my sight check it out:0)

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Marcia Jasinski
JKKsdobermans@cs.com http://ourworld.cs.com/jkksdobermans/myhomepage/dog.html
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cricket
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posted 01-17-2004 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cricket     Edit/Delete Message
I've never seen a blue or fawn Doberman, I would really like to see that, could you email me pics, or tell me a site where i can see some. Thanx. My email address is cricketgc@compuserve.com

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dogangel
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posted 01-17-2004 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogangel     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Hopeful and welcome to the board! Getting two puppies at the same time, as Jamyia said, may be quite a handful... But if you have the time and the patience, then I guess it's O.K. Just make sure you're prepaired for mayhem for a few months... Just because they're puppies, not because they're big babies. Because this is what they are... big babies. Cody is the sweetest thing in the world, and he loves everybody, and everybody loves him. But he is also very protective of his turf and of me. All I can tell you is that both breeds are awsome, amd the mix is awsome too... Make sure you learn all you can about them before you bring the puppies home.
(BTW - sorry for taking so long to answer, I was very-very busy, haven't even looked at my e-mail just yet, as you see, Auspet is more important!!!)

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Marcia McLean-Jasinski
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posted 01-17-2004 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
ricket there is a fanw on my web page . I sold my blue tried to send you a picture but came back as no such address.
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will try to down laod it here. or check my web sight i am listed under pet directory
breeders here too fro a direct link to my page.

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candyapplekc
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posted 01-18-2004 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for candyapplekc     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Marcia, I have another question for you. What is the difference between the German blood lines and the American blood lines?

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Marcia McLean-Jasinski
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posted 01-18-2004 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
Wow you have an hour for me to explain?
! orginally here in America there was only 7 males imported.so the same watered down lines keep on crossing get the picture. two there was no testing at that time for cardio, and vWd
Both MAJOR problems in the American lines now. It only makes sense that the bigger the gene pool the healthier the stock. and the smaller well i think you get the picture.Cara Dobes has a great informative sight on the differeces he too imported because he was sick of having his dogs drop dead on him way too early .The biggest is that in Europe all dogs must pass the ZPT test which includes a temperment test, endurance test, and health testing if the dog has a bad hip rating cannot be bred permently, if it fails theother tests too thats it can not be bred.Also their are no beauty pagents thier if your dog does not have proven good temperment and working titles it can not be show to see how PRETTY it is.Over there it is not just an empty shell of a dog that LOOKS GOOD. well Im sorry but that just does not cut it in my book. I dont want an all american dobe ith all just american champion titles that could not possible win in any other ring in the world besides Canada, That is more likely than not going to drop dead on you between 5-8 years old. are the Euros more expensive yes but they are definatly worth it. Ray of Cara Dobes has been extreamly successful at working and show titles by adding the euro back in, so has Witterock, and quite a few others. but the bread came from there it only makes sense to go back to europe to help revive it.And put the right temperment and oh yes working abilty back in which very few American dobes have left in them. Sorry i am very passionate about this. i have spent endless hours reashering my imports before I got them and their lines. for me addibg health back in is a very very big deal.

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Marcia Jasinski
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posted 01-18-2004 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
ZPT explained
from Dobe review


ZTP Zuchttauglichkeitsprufung
Fit for breeding test. Requires temperament testing, conformation evaluation, as well as a protection test similar to SchH I. Dogs must be X-rayed clear hip-dysplasia to obtain the certificate for breeding.
ZTP V1A - "V1" is the highest conformation rating and "A" is the highest temperament rating.

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posted 01-18-2004 04:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
ZTP (Zuchttauglichkeitsprufung) RULES


The purpose of ZTP is to ascertain those Dobermanns which are, according to the breeding standard, suitable for breeding, and to eliminate unsuitable dogs from the selection.


ZTP's can only be judged by breed judges. The judge and the helper are to be named by the club's official committee.


ZTP's can only be held if they are authorized by DV (Dobermann Verein) and the event has been made public. Also, ZTP's should only be held if there are at least 10 dogs enrolled. The maximum number of dogs to be judged in one day is 20.


ZTP applications to DV must include the name and address of the club which is orginizing the trial, as well as the name of the ZTP trial chairman, the name of the judge, and the deadline for entries. The exact location and start time of the ZTP trial shall also be included.


ZTP's are independent events. They cannot be held in conjunction with conformation shows or Schutzhund trials. The ZTP can only be carried out, if on the day of the trial, the judge is presented with at least 8 dogs, and if the trial location is considered suitable for the trial. The ZTP judge is responsible for determining the suitability of the trial location.


All Dobermanns which have been bred according to the breeding requirements of the DV and have been properly X-rayed for hip-displaysia, can participate in the ZTP. The results of the X-ray have to be submitted on the day of the trial. Furthermore, all dogs have to have the BH (trial of obedience). Foreign bred Dobermanns, whose owners have their permanent residence in Germany, have to have proper transfer papers. Foreign bred Dobermanns can participate in any ZTP, as long as all DV requirements have been met. The minimum age for dogs participating in a ZTP is 14 months.


Dogs which have been "Held-Back" (did not pass) at an earlier ZTP, can only be re-entered once their waiting period has expired. Dogs which do not pass the ZTP the second time they are judged, cannot be entered again.


The trial chairman checks the required documents and prepares the trial papers. She/He is also responsible for the uninterrupted completion of the entire trial, as well as the availability of all equipment necessary for the trial. A suitable Schutzhund helper has to be available.


There has to be an insurance for this trial. All dogs in the trialing location have to be kept so as not to disturb the trialing in any way. Prong collars are not permitted on dogs, during any part of the trial.

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posted 01-18-2004 04:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
TRIAL PROCEDURE


1. Examination for the conformation ratings
2. Temperament trialing - Reasons for elimination of a dog are further discussed: aggressive, shy or fearful dogs are
to be excluded from breeding.
3. Determination and announcement of ZTP Ratings


If the ZTP is held the day before a conformation show with the same judge, and the same dog is entered in both ZTP and conformation show, then the ZTP rating will be announced the day of the conformation show.


Dogs will be judged first, followed by bitches. The observations of the judge shall be entered in the ZTP papers and signed by the trial chairman. The decisions of the judge and his conformation and temperament ratings are indisputable. Objections regarding formal errors must be brought to the trial chairman's attention on the day of the trial. If a resolution cannot be achieved, the matter is to be presented to DV committee for a decision.


The ZTP rating is applicable during the dog's breeding age, unless revoked by a DV committee, because of newly discovered or earlier concealed genetic faults. This revocation of a ZTP rating must be made in writing to the owner via a registered letter. Dogs owned by the judge or his close family cannot participate in the trial judged by him. After conclusion of the trial, the results are to be given to each dog's owner, co-owner or handler. A duplicate has to be sent to DV within 3 days following the trial. Another duplicate shall be given or sent to the officiating judge. All financial matters shall be settled immediately.


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posted 01-18-2004 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
JUDGING RULES AND PERFORMANCE REGULATIONS


Prior to the start of the ZTP, the judge briefly explains to all competitors the purpose of the trial, and the exercises involved. At the start of trialing the competitor and his dog report to the judge. The trial chairman checks the authenticity of the dog's pedigree with the help of the dog's tattoo. The handler informs the judge about the training, care and possible changes in ownership of the dog in question.

The conformation evaluation is done according to the guidelines set forth by the governing club, its rules and regulations and breed standard. Special attention should be paid to faults which would affect working ability, such as a weak muzzle, long weak back, faults of front and rear legs as well as bad movement. Deviation in body dimensions by more than 2 cm have to be judged by reduction of conformation ratings. Greater deviations are leading to exclusion of breeding. Dogs with faults of their dentition - such as less than 42 teeth, deviations in the tooth pattern, or overshot/undershot bites, are to be deemed unsuitable for breeding purposes. The behavior of the dog during the examination of the mouth is to be specially noted, as it may be serve as an indication for certain temperament problems.

Minimum Rating Required for Males: Very Good (because a male is more used in breeding)

Minimum Rating Required for Females: Good

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posted 01-18-2004 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
There are four possible classifications:

1A

1B

Held-Back

Unsuitable for Breeding

1A
Dogs which are overall correct. "1A" can only be awarded to a dog which gives a completely sure and correct impression in the static as well as the fighting periods of the trial.

1B
Dogs which are overall sufficient. "1B" will be awarded to a dog which performs acceptable in the static periods of the trial and which shows some protective and fighting drives.

Held-Back
Dogs must be rated "Held-Back" if there is sufficient doubt about the dog's behavior as it relates to soundness of temper and breed-suitability. A dog with this rating may not be shown to another judge, until the expiration of a 3 months waiting period. A dog can only be rated "Held-Back" one time.

Unsuitable for Breeding
Shy, nervous, timid dogs can not be rated suitable for breeding.


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Translation from German by Britt E. Nickelsen

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Marcia McLean-Jasinski
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posted 01-19-2004 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
I did not mean to come across Like I am trying to bite your head off or anything I am just very passionate about trying to improve the health and temperment of this great breed. I wish you could have seen the many many hours i have spent researching and learning about my imported dogs lines before I got them. It just really irks me to see this great dog being bred for just a look all the time. their are so very few who are breeding for working good temperment.

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Sorry it has been so long. Well, we did it! We got two German Shepherd Mix puppies named Mae and Forrest and Yes they are a handful, but nothing I can't handle. I am not sure what they are mixed with but I don't care. They are great dogs! They were free, too. I will post a picture sometime. They are pretty much housetrained, very socialized with people and other dogs. They sleep together on a dog bed in our bedroom on the floor. I only have to get up once in the night to let them out and they don't have any accidents in our room. They don't cry when in their room(crate)for a few hours while I am at work. I took a lot of time off to raise them properly and give them the attention they require. I think I have read almost every dog book available. They are now 14 weeks old and as sweet as can be. They definitely go through a crazed puppy time about twice a day...high energy. My roomate has a shepherd mix too and he has acted like their mother from day one. He takes great care of them and loves having playmates. They do get carsick sometimes. I heard Shepherds have the most sensitive stomachs. Some guy the other day said that Shepherds and Dobermans are the worst dogs. He called mine mongrels when I told him they were a mixed breed and made a face as if he smelled a bad odor. I had to refrain from smacking him. He said more people are bitten in the u.s by Dobermans than any other dog. I love Dobies.

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