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nemesis658 Member  Posts: 26 |
posted 12-23-2003 09:42 PM
 
i am about to purchase a staffordshire bull terrier in 2 weeks and i already have a female sbt and a male amstaff can i get any advice any one has about keeping my amstaff away from my sbt bitch when she is in season and will my 2 males fight when she goes in season. i have no intention in breeding but i dont want my dogs to fight over her IP: Logged |
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Marcia McLean-Jasinski Member Posts: 63 |
posted 12-23-2003 09:49 PM
oh my God eee gatttaaasss. get those dogs fixed!two male will fight some worse than others. Dobes will kill another male o will jack russels very bad idea. you should really consider getting another female instead. Dose this breeder know you already have a male?i would never place one of my pups in a home with another male. very very few people can handle them. you have to watch them every minute or keep the 2 door closed between them rule. IP: Logged |
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GoodboysBaddogs Member Posts: 409 |
posted 12-23-2003 11:20 PM
hey Nemesis, Wow, your gonna need a third hand! I'm sure your hands are full already, right? Well, there's a number of ways you could go about seperating the 2 males from the seasoned girl. It all depends on there living space i guess. You could go w/ tie-outs, put-up fencing for example. Overall, i don't think it would be a good idea, ESPECIALLY if your not going to be around "all the time", you know? Yes, not A fight, fights WiLL happen, nasty ones too! Even if your girl SBT was'nt there (part of the fam). I don't wish on any dog to have to live a life tied-down. Or, seperated from it's pack (play-mates) because "the owner" didn't put enough time into raising them right, knowing right from wrong. Your plans are very possible, BUT it will/should take up almost ALL YOUR TIME & patience. Good-Luck  Do you know how to post pics? I'd like to see them, if it's okay of coarse. IP: Logged |
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 12-24-2003 04:20 AM
OH boy, I don't know a whole lot about SBT's...but if Smokey ever got his paws and jaws on another male of any breed, they'd be dead. Once a male and a female know they are each others,,, its pretty much over then. You'd be much better off getting another female, and its going to take a while for the two females to bond, but the male shoud socialize much faster with another female. They will fight, I can gaurentee that. If they don't kill each other, or harm you, you'r lucky. IP: Logged |
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puggleowner Member Posts: 228 |
posted 12-24-2003 06:34 AM
If you have no intention of breeding, I really don't see any need for you to not get all three of your pets fixed. That is the responsible thing to do, especially if one were to ever get loose and meet up with another unfixed dog. It will also help with territorial issues with the two males should you choose to get two, but I agree with the others in advising against two unless all three animals are fixed. IP: Logged |
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puttin510 Member Posts: 1179 |
posted 12-24-2003 11:41 AM
Yeah its much less stress on everyone dogs included to spay and neuter. Females can get uterine cancer if not spayed also. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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iamthefishguy New Member  Posts: 3 |
posted 12-24-2003 07:18 PM
Dude, bad idea! These dogs require a TON of supervision, ESPESCIALLY two males!! I have a German Shepard/ Rott so all I know about SBT's is from my friend who HAD two males, they left the house for literally ONE HOUR and came back to one dead dog, it was very sad and unfortunate, if you do this it will require your FULL attention. IP: Logged |
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nemesis658 Member Posts: 26 |
posted 12-26-2003 11:39 PM
thanks for the advice. i have decided to keep a kennel to put the amstaff in while im not home i dont know if there is any better ideas if there is i'd like to hear them. its just i cant get my male sbt fixed cause the breeder i purchased him from wants to use him for a stud dog when he gets older. would it help if i get the amstaff and my female sbt fixed only. IP: Logged |
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Karriesue Member Posts: 277 |
posted 12-27-2003 03:21 PM
I just don't understand why you have to have this third dog when it is going to be stressful for the dogs and your family. Even if you get two of the dogs fixed, the third isn't and fixing the dogs isn't going to solve the problem anyway. Getting two males is dangerous for the dogs and for you also because you will be trying to break them up. I think everyone agrees you should not bring this dog into your family. You need to think about this. It is unfair and even irresponsible to everyone involved especially to the dog. IP: Logged |
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nemesis658 Member Posts: 26 |
posted 12-27-2003 08:35 PM
im sorry but i hae to disagree. i think it depends on the dog itself as to weather it will fight with another dog. the breeder i bought my amstaff from has 3 big males that have all grown up together and there hasnt been one fight. and the breeder i bought my sbt off also has a couple of adult males together and has had no problems. and since my two males are only 9 weeks (sbt) and 4 months old (amstaff)i think it will be ok, as long as i keep an eye on them they will be fine. i asked the breeder about it and he said as long as i dont feed them together and dont have them around the bitch when she is in season they will be fine. IP: Logged |
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GoodboysBaddogs Member Posts: 409 |
posted 12-27-2003 09:39 PM
You WILL run into problems... MOST DEFINITLY. I mean come-on, 2 males & one female. Just with the 2 males alone problems would/will come-up. Neutered or not. Chopping off their genitals does'nt control the pecking order/dominancy. And when this female is in heat... Keep your eyes peeled! Hope your there when things go down... Because, they will. IP: Logged |
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GoodboysBaddogs Member Posts: 409 |
posted 12-27-2003 10:03 PM
Okay, i'm not trying to discourage you, just trying to give you awareness. What you want (2males/1female) is VERY possible. When they have their little squables, this will be a VERY important opportunity to teach right from wrong. And w/ physical dogs, i don't blame you if you got to get a little physical w/ them. If there's any time for it this would be it. Don't miss your opportunity to teach. Getting the fact across to them that fighting is NOT tolerated, would let them know how far they can get physical w/ each other, when your around or not. You'll have to set down the line so to speak. Untill then, they won't know how much is too much. Good-Luck IP: Logged |
Jas Moderator Posts: 536 |
posted 12-28-2003 10:25 AM
nemesis, have there been no fights between the Breeders dogs because they've managed the dogs carefully and correctly, or do both of these breeders keep their dogs out together all of the time? It is hard to make a comparison to the "Breeder" because an experienced and responsible Breeder has probably been involved with dogs for many years. Remember also a less reputable breeder will say anything to sell you a dog.... Two 9 week old pups and a four month old puppy? The thing I would be most worried about is raising three puppies all at once!!!! Many people attempt to raise two puppies at once which is difficult (DOUBLE TROUBLE) but 3 puppies???? This could be asking for punishment! Mainly there is not enough time to raise, take them all for training, walk and socialize all 3 puppies together and separately. And this is what IS needed for puppies to become well behaved, socialized adults. As a responsible breeder I would NOT sell a puppy to someone who already had one puppy never mind TWO! Its not that raising 3 pups together can't be done, it is simply too demanding for 99% of pet owners, and only receiving a third of your attention is unfair. Do the two other breeders know you are getting a third puppy? IP: Logged |
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puggleowner Member Posts: 228 |
posted 12-28-2003 07:25 PM
Ok I'm confused about the breeder wanting to use the male as a stud dog and that's why you can't get him fixed....if you purchase the dog, doesn't it become YOUR dog and not the breeder's, and therefore you have the right to make all decisions regarding his well being? Or are you CHOOSING to not fix him to recieve the compensation for using him as a stud? I've never had a purebred, so I'm not sure how that works, but it seems to me that it would be your choice as to whether or not you wanted to use your dog as a stud, NOT the breeder's. If I'm wrong, someone correct me. IP: Logged |
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3Dogsihave Member Posts: 156 |
posted 12-29-2003 05:46 AM
I have seen some breeders will retain part ownership of a dog for breeding or show purposes, I guess they think the dog would be good to breed. Some do this and its in the contract what you can and cannot do with the dog. I personaly would not like this but I have seen some do it. One website I went to went as far to say that if a dog was sold as a show quality dog the dog had to complete AKC shows and the new owner had to have the kennels name in front of the dogs, so they get recognizion for the animal. Again not an expert on this but have seen what I believe nemesis is talking about, keeping the dog un-fixed for breeding. IP: Logged |
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Porter Member Posts: 14 |
posted 12-29-2003 11:14 AM
Yes- I have a purebred miniature schnauzer and the breeder wanted me to sign something that allowed her to call me up whenever she wanted and show my dog and/or use him to breed... as a stud. I refused. I think it's crazy! Anyway- as far as the getting a third puppy: I don't want to discourage you, but I agree with everyone. I can't imagine having more than one puppy. I mean- it's been like having a child for me. He required and still requires so much attention, and play time, and training and vet bills! And insurance... and walkers, and food and gromming... and dental care... and so much time... and love and patience! IP: Logged |
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nemesis658 Member Posts: 26 |
posted 12-29-2003 07:13 PM
ohh no sorry you got me wrong. the breeder i got my dog from only wants to use him once. it isnt a contract. its just an agreement we came up with, the dog is still mine i can do what i want with it but i agreed to let him use him once and only once after that i am going to get him desexed. ive had my sbt pup home for 3 days so far and my amstaff and sbt get along really good, i also take them to obediance classes and socialise them with other dogs as often as i can do so.i have already got my female sbt fixed, i also want to find out how to post pics on here of my amstaff and staffords, can anyone help me out. IP: Logged |
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nemesis658 Member Posts: 26 |
posted 12-29-2003 07:27 PM
when i said b4 about my puppys ages you misunderstood me. i dont have 2 9 week old pups. i have a 9 week old male sbt and i have a 1 yr old female sbt and i have a 4 month old amstaff. sorry for the confusion IP: Logged |
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ozzy_AmericanBulldog Member Posts: 27 |
posted 12-30-2003 03:55 PM
Even though your 2 puppies get on now, that will soon change when their homones start, and they will fight, not just because your bitch is in season, but to sort out who is the dominant male!! When they fight you probably arent going to be able to seperate them, especially if you are on your own when it happens. You also need to take into consideration that those 2 dogs are going to be capable of inflicting severe injuries to each other, thats if one doesnt kill the other first! I hope for your sake that it never happens, but you have to be realistic, just because they are getting on now, dont be fooled into thinking they will stay that way. There can only be 1 Alpha male, and it will be the strongest. IP: Logged |
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daddyfs Member Posts: 86 |
posted 12-30-2003 07:54 PM
im sorry but i hae to disagree. i think it depends on the dog itself as to weather it will fight with another dog. the breeder i bought my amstaff from has 3 big males that have all grown up together and there hasnt been one fight. and the breeder i bought my sbt off also has a couple of adult males together and has had no problems. and since my two males are only 9 weeks (sbt) and 4 months old (amstaff)i think it will be ok, as long as i keep an eye on them they will be fine. i asked the breeder about it and he said as long as i dont feed them together and dont have them around the bitch when she is in season they will be fine. these dogs have a natural dog aggression.. you can try socializing but if you dont keep them highly supervised, you are askin for some trouble... not tryin to be a smart * but nemesis, did you research this breed at all?? From your post on the pit bull forums it doesnt seem like you have.. sorry
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chickee Member Posts: 150 |
posted 12-30-2003 09:28 PM
Speaking from experience, trying to raise a young dog and a couple puppies at the same time is hard as hell. And as far as male and male aggression, have you ever seen two females go at it? They are WORSE. It's a bad idea especially if you are new to this breed group. Was your 1 year old your 1st of this breed (experience-wise?) If so, don't you think you are going about acquiring for more pets too fast? And why? Any way you look at it, as the old saying goes in the APBT world, which also applies to Amstaffs and Staffy-bulls - Never trust them NOT to fight. Though it might not make much difference, at least get your female fixed. I do understand about the stud service to your breeder. I have that on my contract as well "IF" the dog turns out worthy. And to the others who may not understand, there is a reason for a contract and the conditions set forth when you are buying show or working stock. It may have to do with alot of things pretaining to the lineage, and reputation of future stock and soforth. Most people who buy from such breeders are show oriented or are setting out to be. These are mostly from the best of stock. If anyone is interested in a really nice dog from a breeder, there are many who do not have such 'drawn-out' terms, but may have the same quality. Personally, I have seen a few contracts I wouldn't sign either..lol. Too TOO much crap expected of the buyer. ------------------ [This message has been edited by chickee (edited 12-30-2003).] IP: Logged |
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nemesis658 Member Posts: 26 |
posted 01-02-2004 06:25 PM
no i have also owned 2 other staffordshire bull terriers and one other amstaff. the 2 sbt i had for 10 yrs only cuz i got them at 3 yrs old from a family member. and the amstaff i had for 2 yrs but she got stolen from me. i have had a little experience, i do know that it will be tough, but it is possible to do.i have seen females fighting (4 actualy) and it was grusome it made me sick cuz of all the blood.Thanx for the advice i appreciate it i am gonna have to keep an eye on them 24/7. IP: Logged |
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