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fleafly Member  Posts: 996 |
posted 12-16-2003 11:46 PM
 
I checked out the other food posts, but it sounded like large breed formula puppy food is breed specific and I didn't see Newfoundlands mentioned. My brother just adopted a dog from a shelter. They figured out after they got him that he is a Newfoundland, maybe mixed with something else. Does anyone know what would be a good large breed puppy food for him to use? Their vet and a local breeder recommended Eukanuba, but I don't think very highly of it. Or maybe someone could suggest what supplements to use with an all life stages food. He would like to use Natural Balance since it works well for his cats.
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 12-17-2003 12:13 AM
I don't think food is generally breed specific...some foods may be better for larger breed dogs or small dogs or senior dogs etc......like that. Natural balance is way better than Eukanuba in my opinion. I wish that I could get an answer about protein for puppies, what amount at what ages. I have read that a puppy needs a good amount of protein up to 4 months and then less after that. But having too much with a large breed puppy can spell disaster.It's very frustrating to not be able to get a concrete answer. Nern posted a link to the Great Dane Ladys site and I guess it talks about feeding large breed dogs and puppies, you could see what she recommends. My sister in law has two Newfies...here's a gift idea for you for your brother..BIBS. BIG ABSORBANT BABY BIBS for the puppy. He will thank you! IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 12-17-2003 04:54 AM
Check out this site as well: http://www.wilpowerkennels.com/feeding.htm. There are large breed puppy foods you can use. Even with those, I have had breeders of large dogs recommend to take them off puppy food and feed them adult food starting at 4 months. Adult food is lower in protein, so it will be less likely that the dog grows too fast.
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 12-17-2003 08:09 AM
Check out JImiyas info on taking the pup off puppy food at an earlier age. I was told after the fact that Jake Jake my lab should have been off puppy food at 6 months. good luck IP: Logged |
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fleafly Member Posts: 996 |
posted 12-17-2003 09:47 AM
Maisey, what do you mean by bibs for the puppy? I think maybe he should check with some other Newfoundland breeders to see if he can get some better information. I will tell him to ask about taking him off of puppy food early. IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 12-17-2003 11:19 AM
fleafly, I meant that they slobber and drool alot. I never wear nice clothes to her house because before I am even all the way out of the car they have slimed me. My Witt is a little bit wet mouthed, usually when he is excited about something, something smells REALLY good, or after he has had a drink. I sometimes put a baby bib on him..they just velcro around his neck and when he approaches me I wipe his mouth with it before he lays his head in my lap. He kinda likes having his face washed or mouth wiped now. Witt was being fed Innova when I got him @ nine weeks, it has 24% protein. My other dogs would not eat the Innova and I didn't understand about the protein then and I bought a food called Precise Growth for Witt because it specifically said on the bag that it was to allow puppies to grow naturally. I assumed because it addressed the issue that it was a good choice. It has 27% protein. Precises puppy food has 29% protein and it recommmends on the bag that you change from Puppy to Growth formula at 4 months and feed growth until they are 8 then switch to Adult Foundation formula which has 24% protein. I did this with Witt. Dooley was being fed Precise Endurance, it has 30% protein. I thought it was important for him to have the extra because he was doing flyball and long runs everyday. I then started reading articles about rapid growth and was told dogs gather energy from carbs not protein and that they couldn't digest so much protein. I still don't know the appropriate amounts because I always find debated answers...even my vet says that the AVMA is now discussing changing their recommendations. Some people have told me that dogs who work hard need high protein...my vet says that a dog would have to be working all day herding cattle or something along those lines to change his need to that extent. He also said it would be better to increase their calories and carbs then to increase the protein. It's still a little over my head and I got tired of feeding three different foods to my dogs so when Witt was 8 months old I switched him and Dooley to Canidae, it has 24% protein and they both like it. Now they both get Canidae and three days a week I feed them a raw diet instead. Darby, my Poodle gets the raw diet all the time. Some vets still tell people their dog should be on puppy food until they are a year old. Almost all breeders will tell you thats a no-no...go read a bunch of breeder sites, some of them with large breed puppies even feed adult food from day one. My aunt raises great danes and she told me she feeds her puppies adult food...she supplements with some stuff but I don't know what. She also feeds foods I wouldn't though...as do many breeders. Diamond is a big food amongst Catahoula breeders, I wouldn't feed that for nothing, lol. But it is inexpensive food that "looks" like it does a good job. And many of those Catahoula breeders will say.."it's a dog" meaning they think this "new age holistic stuff is crap" I think. I am not speaking for all of them, just the ones who have made the comments to me. Anyhow it takes some research, and even then the answers can be conflicting so you just do what seems to be working for your dog. IP: Logged |
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GoodboysBaddogs Member Posts: 409 |
posted 12-17-2003 12:34 PM
Hi Fleafly-fo-fum, who's got a doggie from Newfoundland  !?!Just Kidding...  .Wow, that's gonna be a big boy your brother just adopted. Newfoundlands are cool. I wonder how there body structure looks under all that blackness..? Anyhow, i think your broski is doing the right thing by feeding it Natural Balance rather than Pukanuba! I personally don't think much of Eukanuba anymore. I had high expectations for it, considering all the "hype" marketing surrounded it with. But in the end, i think it had a great deal to do with my Shar Pei having a weak start w/ his Immune-System. From lack of nutrition from improper ingredients, and faulty advertisement. Not all their ingredients are bad in my opinion, but there is enough for "me" to call it PUKANUBA. IP: Logged |
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GoodboysBaddogs Member Posts: 409 |
posted 12-17-2003 12:41 PM
Just Feed Accordingly .IP: Logged |
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fleafly Member Posts: 996 |
posted 12-17-2003 02:08 PM
Maybe I will get him some bibs. When I talked to him last night the puppy had just slimed him. They started out feeding him Natural Balance, but when they figured out he was a Newfie they asked their vet and a breeder who told them to feed Eukanuba large breed. So they bought a huge bag of that before I told him it wasn't that good. I will definately tell him to look into the Wellness Super 5 Mix supplement. It's kind of frustrating to me that the vets who we trust with our animals health don't really know much about nutrition. If you ask 5 different vets you usually get 5 different answers about what is best. His dog is actually a black and white color, here is a link to a picture of my brother and a wiggly puppy: http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=3298480&uid=1716462&members=1 He couldn't get the picture where the puppy is still to upload for some reason. Just as a side note, I have tried Diamond with my dogs and cats, and have been rather pleased with it. It isn't as good as some others I have tried, but it is a decent food. IP: Logged |
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GoodboysBaddogs Member Posts: 409 |
posted 12-17-2003 02:33 PM
Wow--Fleafly! Your brother's puppy is gonna be 1 handsome looking doggie (considering how c u t e he is now )!!Yeah, tell him about that Wellness powder/supplement, and possibly this company called Missing Link (same kinda stuff/use). It'll also definatly keep his skin & coat looking amazing. Let me know what supplement your brother decides to go with. Can you post m o r e pics of the handsome little one??? IP: Logged |
nern Moderator Posts: 1591 |
posted 12-17-2003 07:05 PM
What an adorable puppy! Fleafly, here is the link Maisey mentioned.... it has lots of info. on feeding large/giant breed puppies: http://greatdanelady.com She seems to highly recommend Eagle Pack Natural and Eagle Pack Large Breed Puppy foods. IP: Logged |
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fleafly Member Posts: 996 |
posted 12-17-2003 09:51 PM
I will post some more pics as soon as he sends them to me. He is a proud papa so I should be getting more pictures soon. They actually aren't sure what Roosevelt is crossed with if anything, so I was going to post some pictures and ask for input on his genetic makeup.
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 12-17-2003 10:54 PM
fleafly, I think if you asked your vet how much of their education was actually about nutrition you may understand why they sometimes don't know much about it. Unless they have specialized or taken extended education in this area, I don't think they get much. I also understand that the materials they use in learning about nutrition in vet school is sponsored by rather large dog food companies. IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 12-18-2003 07:38 AM
Most of the vets haven't even heard of ANY of the premium foods. And if you say "raw" they all panic and start talking about bacteria and e. coli. It scares me when they do that, so I am researching like mad, trying to figure things out for myself. At least I found one vet who is willing to look at the ingredients and hazard an opinion. She seems to be fairly well-informed about nutritional needs as well. I found some really good info and knowledgeable people about cat nutrition on a yahoo group for cats with heart problems. Cats and dogs are very different in their food needs, however, so I need to do comparable research on both of them.
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Samsintentions Member Posts: 944 |
posted 12-18-2003 11:08 AM
A great suppliment to get him started on is called NuVet Plus. I can send you a booklet if you'd like. Just email me. Mare-majic@excite.com IP: Logged |
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fleafly Member Posts: 996 |
posted 01-10-2004 05:42 PM
Thanks for all of the input. I printed out the transcript and gave it to my brother. They put the puppy back on Natural Balance b/c Eukanuba did not agree with him. I don't know what kind of supplement they decided to go with. I got to see him over Christmas, he is such a cute little puppy. I took a bunch of pictures of him but none of them came out very well. There is one in this photo album, but it's really dark: I even had some pictures of him playing with my mom's dog, Bou. They were really cute together, so I was sad that the pictures didn't come out. IP: Logged |
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sagekeep New Member  Posts: 2 |
posted 01-10-2004 06:29 PM
Hello, I'm a large breed dog person of MANY years with a LOT of experience in dog diets and supplements. I applaud the choice of Natural Balance dog food for the Newfie you mentioned. The only supplements I would add are daily for orthopedic support (critical in large breeds): -Glucosamine w/Chondtroitin (up to 1200mgs/800mgs) Note: The Glu/Chon take 30 days 'loading time' before full usefulness to the body. I consider the above supplements to be extremely important to the orthopedic health of a large breed dog - even if the dog is no longer a puppy. An ounce of prevention today, will help improve the health of the dog's orthopedics in later years. You're welcome to visit my webpage and learn more about dog diets/supplements: http://www.sagekeep.com/feeding.htm Best Wishes, IP: Logged |
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sagekeep New Member Posts: 2 |
posted 01-10-2004 06:34 PM
PS: RE: Vets and Nutrition The reason most vets have little education on dog nutrition is generally because they're not required to have much study on this in order to obtain their degree and licensing. Unfortunately, Vet Schools do not place very much importance on nutrition nor the studies on nutrition. Homeopathic/Naturopathic Vets are usually a little better studied on nutrition and the impact nutrition can have in dog health. My Vets think I'm nuts, but they certainly cannot argue with the constantly great health of my dogs!! Kind Regards, IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 01-10-2004 08:52 PM
Hey! I just referred someone on another post to www.wilpowerkennels.com. When I clicked on the sagekeep link above and read the same information, I was about to blast you for plagiarizing....and then noticed you changed your name! Sagekeep, if you are the same person I exchanged e-mails with about Nala's kibble choice, thanks again for the time and info.
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fleafly Member Posts: 996 |
posted 01-10-2004 11:39 PM
I will pass that information along. I am not at all surprised that vets know little about nutrition. Most human doctors know very little about human nutrition, it's the same principle. It just frustrates me that most vets don't admit that they don't know a lot about nutrition. Instead they make a food recommendation and people take it as the gospel truth. What is consider the breaking point for a large breed dog? Is there a weight point that they have to be above or something? p.s. Sagekeep, you are up in my neck of the woods. Isn't it funny how the east coast is all over the news, but no one made a big deal out of our weather last week when it was 25 below and then some in MT and WY! IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 01-11-2004 05:32 AM
But isn't that normal for MT?
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fleafly Member Posts: 996 |
posted 01-12-2004 05:12 PM
Unfortunately! That doesn't mean it isn't cold to us though. We actually set some all time low records with this last cold spell. I just think it is funny that it doesn't make the national news when WY and MT have 25 below temps, but its all over the news when parts of the east coast are at 0. IP: Logged |
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 01-13-2004 08:19 AM
Sagekeep, you also gave me some great info - fo Jake my lab - I am still having some health/skin issues. and Just put him on Natual balance duck and potatoe so we will see what happens. Honeybear IP: Logged |
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