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chalms
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From:northbrook, Illinois, USA
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posted 12-11-2003 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chalms     Edit/Delete Message
Hey all first time poster here. We are getting a 6-8 week old yellow lab puppy. We have an 8 yr old Bichon who is really playfull & demanding of attention. Now my questions...knowing a puppy needs sleep..will our Bichon constantly keep him awake to play? How will our Bichon react to a new puppy considering he gets all the attention now? Our Bichon gets to sleep on our bed with us & has access to our couch & chairs...but we won't allow the new puppy to do the same..will the new puppy resent or get depressed over it? Thanks for your answers.

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honeybear
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posted 12-11-2003 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
congratulations are your new pup, you say you are gettng a 6-8 week pup. Please let the dogs stay the extra 2 weeks with the mom and get at 8 weeks. it really helps with socialization of other issues that can develop if the pup leaves the mom too young.

I would introduce your pup slowly, but I hope someone chimes on this one who has more info - Know it been posted a lot in the past.

I would highly recommend crate training and see the recent post from a few days ago, lots of good stuff there. You do not want to start letting it sleep on your bed unless you want it to all the time. I learned this lessont he hard way, I have a 100# yellow lab that has slept on my bed for 6 1/2 years. There is also a ton good advice if you use the search function.

Good luck

Honeybear

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Rene
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posted 12-11-2003 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rene     Edit/Delete Message
congratulations are your new pup. I had a Nala (my Rotty) for 6 years she was the only dog then last year i decided to get a puppy so i went and bought a Yorkie (sebestain)i was nervious when i brought him home. But Nala just smelled him and they get along great so i decided i wanted a little girl Yorkie (Jasmine) they all get along great they play togather all the time it's funny to watch a rotty and a yorkie play tug a war with a rope. They all sleep in my bed along with my 2 cats i think your dogs will get along great also. Good luck

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Maisey
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posted 12-11-2003 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with Honey above, as far as jealousy goes...that depends on your dog. I have a Poodle thats 9 years old, an Aussie X thats nearly 3 and a Catahoula X that just turned a year old last month. We had the Poodle when we got the Aussie, they played together nicely and there wasn't much jealousy, we made sure all got the same attention and even took some special time with Darby(Poodle) for a while. When we brought Witt(Catahoula) home it changed the dynamics in the house greatly, Dooley(Aussie) "mothered" Witt and played with him just as roughly as Witt wanted. Darby tried to play a little but always got flattened or hurt, so he learned to stay out of the way. He will growl at them now when they get too close for his comfort. He has let out after Witt many times, which is fine...he is letting Witt know that he'd better mind his manners and show some respect. Darby used to play alot...he would run around like our house was a racetrack...if he does that now, the big dogs get excited and try to join in, so darby doesn't do that anymore, instead we put the big dogs in one room and Darby with us in another and play with him. Then he can cut loose and not get trampled. We take our big dogs out everyday to the park or barn and let them run and roughhouse to burn off energy. Your little dog may do alot of growling and snapping at the youngster in the begining...what he is actually doing is setting the rules for the puppy...letting him know where the line is. Puppies learn manners from older dogs, it's normal. You have to supervise and decide ultimately if thats whats going on or if the little dog is actually trying to do damage. Darby has acted very serious and "viscious" to the big dogs...however he has never actually bitten either of them, he just puts on one heck of a show...and they always back off.
They may like to play together, or not...the puppy will want to, it just depends on your adult dog if thats going to be accepted. You can help tone the level of excitement in your pup down by taking him out to play hard in the yard and then perhaps he won't go overboard with the little dog in the house.
As for sleeping on the bed....I can't help myself on this one...why is the little dog allowed and not the pup? I have read several trainers say that dogs don't understand "Fair", I don't know what they base that on or how they came about this understanding, it may be true. What I do know is that if one dog is on my bed and I tell the other no...I get this look like..."excuse me...why does HE get to be on there?" Of course that is probably my own imagination and I can at any time tell any of my three dogs to sleep on the floor and they will, but I wonder why you are going to allow one and not the other? (Can you hear me whining?)
Anyhow, there are many good posts about new puppy stuff on this board, congrats and welcome to the forum.

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dukesdad
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posted 12-11-2003 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dukesdad     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome to the wonderful world of Labs. Do crate train from the beginning. The long term benefits are immeasurable. To see how quickly your little fuzzball will progress check out Dukes page at: http://www.flash.net/~jdebess/duke.htm
I don't know how your Bichon will react but rest assured the Lab pup will love all of you and will also want to be in the middle of everything. Finally I also recommend obedience training as soon as feasible and certainly before the Lab trains you.
Good luck.

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honeybear
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posted 12-11-2003 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
chalms just remembered one more thing about reason for keeping the pup longer. There have been alot of posts on it here, and they say if you take the pup away ealier than eight weeks, they not being taught manners be the mother like biting and stuff that can get of hand she your pup does this with your other dog, hre is a good article outlining that

Most people think the best age to get a puppy is 6 weeks - WRONG,WRONG,WRONG! Between 7 and 9 weeks is the best time and here's a couple of well-researched reasons why.....(most of this is from research done by the Guide Dogs for the Blind, Inc.)

Puppies have 4 critical periods of development between birth and 16 weeks (4 mos) of their lives. What happens to them during these 4 mos. determines what kind of companion they will become and shapes their character for the rest of their lives!

Birth to 21 days (3 weeks) - during this period the puppy's brain is mostly reactionary in that the brain is developing neural pathways. During this time the mother and her milk are most important. The puppy needs adequate food, the stimulation it gets from the mother licking it and the warmth it gets from mom and it's littermates. By three weeks (21st day) the puppy's brain has taken on adult brain form and the puppy can toddle around, blink, hear, eliminate without mother's stimulation and begin to explore it's immediate surroundings. They begin to try to play with their siblings and mother.
3 weeks to 7 weeks (49th day) - During this period puppies learn canine socialization and learn dominance order - most important in training and getting along with other dogs! This is a time of rapid development, both physically and mentally.

From 21-28 days (4 weeks) is especially crucial and should the puppy be separated from its mother and littermates at this time it would be so emotionally upsetting that the puppy will never be compensated in life for the loss of interaction of its mother and littermates.


Characteristically, puppies weaned at 4 weeks are a training nightmare because they never get the connection between a reward or correction and what they were doing at the time. (For example, the dog grabs your sandwich and you yell "NO". It will not understand why you are saying no, nor why it is unacceptable to grab what it wants.) Between 4 and 5 weeks is when the puppy becomes aware of its surroundings and littermates and discovers when it bites too hard on one of them or Mama Dog - it gets corrected by Mama or the littermate bites back - hard! They learn to play bite at an acceptable level for their playmates. This is important to us because we can then teach them not to bite or nip us....they will learn that we are rather delicate creatures by puppy standards! :-)


Canine socialization is so important for a puppy to be well-adjusted. A puppy needs contact and interaction with it's mom and littermates to learn doggy social graces, such as how to approach another dog, how to show submission and how to initate play. A puppy weaned at 5 weeks is characterically aggressive towards strange dogs. Some people call this "Dog aggressive", but it is basically caused by the dog not knowing how to approach or be approached by a another dog. Mothers discipline pups and teach them as well....this is as important in dogs as it is in human children.


A puppy weaned at 6 weeks may have the social skills but will not have all the self-confidence in itself as it would after 7 weeks. This is extremely important in a service dog or a dog you want to take responsiblity for you, your home and property.

49 to 84 days ( 7 weeks to 12 weeks)- By the 49th day a puppy is neurologically complete...it has an adult brain, but no experience! (Kinda like you were when you got out of school and tried to find a job - couldn't get a job because you lacked job experience.:-/ ) A good breeder will handle their pups daily, from birth, because during this time it is critical for someone to give it affection and guidance so the puppy will be willing to form attachments to people and learn to trust humans. Puppies must get one-on-one socialization with a human at least once a week to develope as an individual.
12 - 16 weeks - This is a great time for play training to become more serious and when human and dog decide who is boss. A dog's character for life is formed between 4 weeks to 16 weeks. No matter how good inherited character traits are, if puppies are not given proper exposure, they will never be as good a dog as it could have been. There is NO way to go back and make it up to a dog is later life for failures at this age. A dog without socialization prior to 16 weeks does not develope as an individual with self-confidence in its self

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Maisey
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posted 12-11-2003 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Good article Honeybear!

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Jamiya
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posted 12-11-2003 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
"Characteristically, puppies weaned at 4 weeks are a training nightmare because they never get the connection between a reward or correction and what they were doing at the time."

Training nightmare, eh? Hmmm. We are surmising Nala was 4-6 weeks old when she went into the shelter. MAYBE 8 weeks, but I doubt it. At least she had littermates with her.

I think she does remarkably well, considering her beginnings!


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susan_cude@hotmail.com
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posted 12-11-2003 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for susan_cude@hotmail.com     Edit/Delete Message
I'm glad i stumbled on this article, with five new puppies in the house. Thanks Honey bear! Susan

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honeybear
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posted 12-11-2003 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Your welcome, I think it does explain a lot with behavior and since many people here dont know how old their dogs where when they were taken away from their mom.

Honeybear

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Samsintentions
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posted 12-12-2003 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
Good question.... you really need to formally socialize your bishon with the new pup, monitor them closely, make sure the Pup has ALL its vacinations so your not brining anything into your house.

if they get too roudy, separate them for a while. They will settle down on their own.

COngrats on your new family member!

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