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annie
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From:stockton
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posted 11-29-2003 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for annie     Edit/Delete Message
Hello. It is REALLY cold up here where I live. And well, our beagle hardly has any hair at all...I wonder if any of you can see where this is leading..? lol When we first got squirmy last week he never wanted to go outside and literally when we would put him outside to go *pee pee* he would just sit at the door and shiver horribly looking at us. Well, I am a softie and couldnt take the puppy dog eyes... so I changed the way I am traning til he gets a little older and I am probably making a huge mistake. lol

After seeing his disdain for even being outside I decided to let him go in our garage that is attached to our house. It is a huge concrete garage and we put newspapers out there and he goes out there perfectly. We clean it up daily and it is seeming to work out really well.

I plan on training him to go outside next May when it is 40 degrees warmer, lol, and he will be older and has more meat on his bones and more able to tolerate the cold. Do you think I am creating a situation where the dog is never going to want to go outside? I dont want to spend the next 20 years on newspaper duty. lol He is just so tiny and sooooo cold outside that I cant bring myself to put him out there in the blizzard. It's working out pretty well, only 3 accidents this week, and every time I caught him in the act; he is starting to get the hang of it. ann

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LottynTrike
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From:Murfreesboro, Tn, USA
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posted 11-29-2003 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LottynTrike     Edit/Delete Message
Trike only has three legs, right. well even though i am sure its just in my head, i feel that her feet (paws) must get so cold when we go out side for our walks, and because she has one less paw, i feel she needs little doggie boots to keep her feeties warm. (and maybe this is a little silly but in the colder months i did have a problem with her not wanted to go out side, but since i got the boots she doesnt seem to have a problem anymore) she too is a beagle,i dont know maybe they are more sensitive to the cold. maybe a warm coat or sweater. thats my advice, sorry it didnt really pertain to your question!!

well good luck!! lotty and trike dog!!!!

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Karriesue
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posted 11-29-2003 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Karriesue     Edit/Delete Message
I think that you should use the backyard and keep using it. She will learn that if it is too cold that she just needs to go out and do her business then she can come back in. That way, you don't have to go through the whole potty training thing again. Plus, it will be next winter before you know it. If she isn't acclimatized to it then she won't like it then either. Better to get her used to it now. I have heard it can be difficult to retrain a dog from newspaper (inside) to the outside but I guess it can be done if you are vigilant and depending on how stubborn the dog can be. Lottyn Trike was on to something...Have you thought about doggie sweaters and doggie booties. Just a thought. You should do what you are comfortable with.

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Maisey
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posted 11-29-2003 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
All three of mine do the same thing. Dooley is an Aussie with plenty of hair, Darby is a Poodle, but in the winter I keep his hair longer, and Witt...well he has a single coat so I'm sure he gets a bit chilly, but not so much that going outside to do business and right back in will hurt him! All of them will balk at going out when it's raining, I tell them Go Potty!, I just won't let them back in until they have gone. When they realize I'm not gonna cave, they all run out there and do their thing quick like. I used to have a beagle named Emily, she would try to fake me out. She would run to the edge of the patio and squat...of course nothing came out and I would tell her ...Emily ...go for real!. She would give me a look and then go potty and hustle back in. With your puppy as little as he is I would be taking him out on a leash, I know when mine were pups they didn't want to go out alone even in summer. I definately would not do the garage thing, I'm betting it will become a habit and a hard one to break. Also..dogs who are raised in kennels that have concrete floors...often refuse to go on anything but concrete.

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goob
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posted 11-29-2003 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Our Chi was paper trained by his previous owners.... we found that out when I came home from school to find that he'd "soiled" several of my school papers I'd left on the floor in my room :0 He will still go inside the house if he gets the chance, but then again, so will our Dachshund (not paper trained, though she had other factors that probably contributed to her going in the house), so I couldn't say whether it's a paper training thing or not.

I would guess though that if he goes on the papers in the garage, he'll probably always be willing to use papers (whether they're "his" papers or not remains to be seen ), or to even just go in the garage.

I do know that some people litter train their dogs... and while a beagle is getting towards the upper range that I'd want to be scooping after, if that's something you would do, more power to you.

Another option is to make a "grass box" and put it in the garage... just dig up some grass, put it in a litter pan or similar sized low-sided box, and teach him to go in that. Then he should be able to transfer from "his" grass into the rest of the yard. You could even plant it again when he was ready to start going outside, as a sort of marker. Of course, this, like a litter box, would have to be kept clean.

Or you could just start him going outside now, and tough it out through the winter

Good luck, whatever you choose!

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MaydaysMom
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posted 11-29-2003 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MaydaysMom     Edit/Delete Message
This was a good idea for a post. I have been wondering what we are going to do with Tootsie this winter. She goes outside very well and wants to be let out with the rest of the dogs but by the time she gets let back in she is soo cold it takes half an hour to warm her up again!
Im just worried that since she is so used to going outside and we swich to wee wee pads or paper that she wont want to go outside anymore when it is warm again.
However as soon as it snows she wont be able to take it outside.

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annie
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posted 11-30-2003 05:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for annie     Edit/Delete Message
Good morning.

I took all of your responses very seriously and changed my entire way of house breaking because of it. Thank you for the advice and education. Here is what I did.

This morning when Squirmy was taken out of his crate, my husband started walking with him towards the garage door, and I asked him if he would hand me the puppy first.

He did and I walked over to the back patio door that leads to our backyard and told Squirmy to go *pee pee* just as I used to say in the garage. I shut the patio door and peered thru the curtain and he stared at the door for a moment and then when he saw I wasnt standing at the door watching him he wandered off happily! He peed right away and I ran outside with his favorite treat...a handfull of our kitten food and ravished the pup with praise. lol Go figure, but for some reason he thinks the kitten has it a lot better foodwise.

I brought Squirmy back in and he still looked a little off..he started sniffing again so I put him back out and he did #2. I gave him another handful of treats and praised him lavsihly and now he is asleep on our couch.

If it wasnt for all of you I would be making the worst mistake in puppy training, for I do not want to socialize this 10 week old into wanting to go on newspaper in the garage for the rest of his life so he may as well get used to it. I am also going to buy him a doggie sweater and booties as I wouldnt even know how to turn a sewing machine on if it was right in front of me. lol

Thank you again for steering me in the right direction. Your advice was truly invaluable at this time! Ann

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Karriesue
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posted 11-30-2003 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Karriesue     Edit/Delete Message
Congratulations, Annie!! I am so glad it worked out for you. You must be so proud of Squirmy. By the way, I love that name!

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Maisey
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posted 11-30-2003 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Very cool!...one little bit of advice though...cat food can be harmful to a dog and vica versa. I don't know if just giving it as a treeat now and then would, but I know that my vet has told me not to let them eat each others foods.

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annie
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posted 12-01-2003 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for annie     Edit/Delete Message
Good morning everyone!

Maisey, I am so glad you told me about dogs not eating cat food. I mean I knew they each had their own foods, however I honestly had no idea it could be bad for them and now I feel really horrible because last night Squirmy threw up all over the livingroom floor.

I had given him a total of two handfulls of kitten food about 8 hours before he threw up as part of lavish praise for going pee outside, and now I am completely regretful. He LOVES this kitten food though. Now it is stored on top of the piano where it is safe from his nasal investigations. LOL

ann

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Jamiya
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posted 12-01-2003 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe kitten food is higher in fat than puppy food so of course he loves it!

I used regular puppy kibble for training treats when we first got Nala. I now have Bil-Jac liver treats. I have also given her something called Lean Treats that my vet was pushing. I also have a ton of puppy food samples from when I was trying to decide on a food to switch to, so I use those as well.


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Maisey
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posted 12-01-2003 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
I am always getting sample bags of dog food at the events and tournaments we go to, at the tournament in WA they actaully gave all of us a shopping bag literally full of those little sample bags from a dog food company. I keep them in a basket in my cupboard and use them as treats in my treat bag. They are little tiny kibble sized so the dog isn't standing there crunching away forever during a training session. We can continue on. I have also discovered that when I buy dog food, I always pick up those packages of Salmon treats...well she doesn't charge me for them if I am buying dog food. There is no sign posted or anything, I think she does it because I have become a loyal customer...a perk I guess . I keep all the freebies and use them for treats. I still buy Old Mother Hubbards lil' bones...I really like those and so do the dogs. My dogs kind of put a value on treats...some are higher value than others. So if I am going to be working on something tough...I get out high value treats, in my house those would be the Natural Balance brand sausage...it comes in rolls just like summer sausage. They have little tiny rolls for .99 cents or big rolls for like $7...and some in between. I cut it up into small cubes and put it in a ziplock baggie. These are the treats we use when teaching something that requires a high value treat. The focus is amazing!LOL. I have spent alot of time on the treat isle reading labels, it's hard to find a treat that doesn't have a bunch of crap in it, and even harder to find one for a dog with allergies. Annie don't worry about feeding him the cat food...he isn't going to keel over from that, I just thought I would let you know. When my vet told me that I laughed and said "ya know...I used to eat cat food as a child" and I actually did, my mother still tells that story to perfect strangers!, he replied "I preferred dog chow myself".

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