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Maisey
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From:Portland, Oregon US
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posted 10-23-2003 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Today I decided to go ahead and try a raw diet for my cat and my Poodle Darby. They both have had struvite crystals and they both seem to suffer from allergies. I have not wanted to try this in the past because I felt I didn't know enough about what they needed nutritionally, thought it would be messy and expensive and just generally not as easy as kibble. I have been trying samples on the cat and he is just soooo picky! he has turned his nose up at every new food I have offered him. The other day I posted a link for Natures Variety-Prairie products. The place I normally buy food from carries this and today she showed me the options and how to feed it. I bought a tub of one variety thats for cats or dogs so I could see if they like it. They all went nuts for it! I still don't know alot about feeding raw so I am going on her knowledge and the fact that I know several people through flyball who feed it, two of which also have dogs with urinary issues that disappeared after going on the raw diets.
I wanted to ask if anyone uses this product? What have your experiences been with it? and...Is this the same as BARF or is it different? Are these raw diets as good as preparing them from scratch at home? Is it safer for me to feed a prepared raw food because I don't know what I am doing yet?
Jas....I got the feeling you do your own rather than buying already prepared, is there a reason for that? Am I missing something important?

Here is the link again to the product I chose. http://www.naturesvariety.com/

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GoodboysBaddogs
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From:Los Angeles, Ca.
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posted 10-24-2003 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
hey Maisey,

I've also been looking into NV a little bit. About 2 weeks ago, i purchased my 1st NV product, but it's their food supplement. They actually have 2 under "Prarie". The one i bought was NV's Prarie Whole Food Blend. It works very-good. Your suppose to sprinkle this on top of your normal kibble, but i just get a tsp-full and pour it on top of my dogs toungs. They love it. I kinda give it to them as a treat (instead of actuall treats), after they eat. Especially b4 & after our hikes & running days. I've been trying to find a local place that carries their whole line of products (specifically their raw frozen bones, & their dry roasted treats), because everywhere i've seen NV on the shelves, i only see their kibble-line. NV does have "variety", thats what i also think is good about them... I've been thinking about adding their dry kibble diets to my dogs rotation feeding. There was somthing about an ingredient(s) that was lacking in it that stopped me into looking into it more. Not that it's not a good choice of foods, but i think there was something missing that i was needing for my dogs. If i remember right it could possibly be... ummmm, i 4got. I'll still be considering NV though.

I don't have personal experiance in doing the home-cooked meal thing but...
Making your own home cooked meals, i think is better especially if your dogs have certain allergies to foods that your not quite sure of yet. Especially if your trying to do the whole "elimination/trial & error" thing, to find out what ingredient(s) your dog is allergic to.
The important thing to remember is that your giving all the daily nutritional requirments that a "ready-made" raw diet does. There are plenty of books that you could rent-out in your local public library i'm sure on all kinds of recipies for home-cook meals for doggies. I've checked out some just to check them out, and if you like to cook, you'll cook. It seems like alotta fun. I think it's a wholier way. Wait, i know it is. The recipies made me want to start cooking. Seriously, who/what the hell would want processed food, daily. Nothing beats freashness!! It's just a matter of time & $$$. I'd do it! Regardless of the best-if-purchased-by-date on a dry food kibble bag, i can tell if i got a freash bag or not. It could be 1&1/2 years to it's experation date, it could be 1 month till (although my limit is 6-8 months) i could tell if it's freash & that the bag was well taking care of. But, i'm still considering the whole "raw", or home-cook meals route.

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cali
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posted 10-26-2003 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cali     Edit/Delete Message
I would stcik with the stuff you make from scratch, the pre-made stuff may be raw but its STILL not human grade which is the point of raw feeding.

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Jas

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posted 10-27-2003 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Maiz, I haven't tried the product you are talking about, sounds interesting though! Did you get the raw frozen or freeze dried? I've never used freeze dried foods before.

There are a lot of companies on the market that make prepackaged complete raw diets, which are easier and a safer way to go if you are not fully sure about this diet. They are usually balanced containing everything needed in each meal so that you don't have to worry about adding supplements and balance. On the other hand buying pre-made with everything added can be more expensive than doing it yourself. But an unbalanced raw food diet can be worse than feeding a poor quality kibble. As long as variety is provided when doing it yourself then things should be fine. You can always feed the pre-made every second day and then try preparing your own each day in between.

Are you feeding one meal raw one meal kibble or are you debating to switch completely? We will buy frozen and fresh pre-ground meats like turkey, beef & chicken, organ meats, muscle meat, and ground tripe from a raw company (ground is nice because we don't have to worry about grinding it ourselves). We will prepare our own ground veggie mix and supplements. When we travel we like to buy prepackaged complete meals (like the one you tried) for ease and convenience!

--oh yes and our cat, well I tried switching the cat to raw but the fussy eater won't eat it UNLESS he thinks he is "stealing" it, which he loves to do. He's right there when I prepare the dogs food and helps himself, but if I put it in his bowl he will eat for a min and then leave it! I have heard (and observed) that switching kibble fed cats to raw is a lot harder. Finicky felines!!

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Maisey
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posted 10-27-2003 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
I am feeding the raw frozen, Darby, my Poodle loves it. He has bad teeth so I bought the kind thats already ground up. The stuff I got this time just comes in a tub because I only wanted a little to see if they would eat it. The cat that needs to change will eat it once a day if my daughter hand feeds him, he is refusing the morning feeding and eating the evening one. Our other cat I am switching just to keep it simple, she will only eat it if hand fed as well. The lady at the shop told me cats are sometimes very hard to switch to raw so I was expecting it. They are already used to getting raw meat, just not all the other stuff thats in it. I switched the cats cold to the raw, Darby is still getting kibble once a day. (until his current bag is gone).
The cat has had a broken jaw before, and although it was surgically repaired, he has always seemed a little tender in the mouth since. I thought given both of them have mouth issues, the raw ground would be best. All the ingredients are organic which I liked. I did try the freeze dried treats with my two big dogs, they loved them. I tried achielles tendon, pizzles, and tripe. They liked all three. I am keeping Witt and Dooley on Canidae and I'll just keep feeding them raw the way I have been, usually every other day they get liver, or raw chicken, strips of beef steak something like that. Everyday they get vegetables and fruit, but it's not planned or anything, just what I am eating. The vegetables they get while I prepare my meals, I eat mostly raw vegetables, seldom cook them. I don't blend them though and I read somewhere that you should although I am not sure why. It would be expensive to put my big dogs on this raw diet and I really like how they are doing on how I am feeding now so I thought I would learn with Darby and the cats first. The tub I bought would feed one of my cats for 7 days and it was $2.99. I actually felt that was a good deal. I thawed it just enough to cut it and made up daily portions in those snack size ziplock bags and then put it in the freezer. They sell resealable bags with little coin shaped patties that I think would be much easier. I would just pull out enough coins for one day and put them in the fridge to thaw the night before. Much simpler to measure out. I've been reading alot over the past week about raw and it is overwhelming, I'm trying to be relaxed about it and it seems to me that the biggest mistake people make is not providing a balanced meal or feeding only raw meats, with that in mind, I feel safer feeding this prepared already ground raw food. I'm not afraid to feed the raw, I've been doing that...I'm afraid I won't get a balanced meal to them. This way I know it's got everything they need. The lady at the shop said I should rotate the types I feed which sounds right to me.
Do you know if artichoke is safe for dogs? We have been eating them more often around here and the dogs seem to want it. My daughter was going to let them eat the leaves when she was done with them but I told her not to. I've not read anything either way. I was shocked to read you shuldn't give your dogs citrus peels because they are toxic...I have been giving Witt lemon and orange peels since I got him! He doesn't eat the peel, he chews them for a long while though, he likes it. I thought he was getting all the vitamins out of it. I guess I am lucky he didn't get sick. I am used to horses, unless starving...they are generally really good at avoiding poisonous plants etc. It's like they have internal radars or something.
Anyhow I am looking forward to learning more and I am relieved that you think this prepared stuff is a good start. I pray it makes a difference to my two problem boys.

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