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Jamiya Member  Posts: 1392 |
posted 10-21-2003 09:05 AM
 
Anyone have a compare and contrast on these two foods? Innova is a lot more expensive. Any particular reason for that? I found a cute place that sells both of them. Of course, they were closed but at least I know where it is now. (Which is not anywhere I normally go, LOL.)
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 10-21-2003 09:59 AM
I couldn't get these to come up side by side, but if you go to the Natura site.... http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=home-tab and click on the "Compare Foods" tab, it will let you compare ingredients for several foods at a time. Not only that but when it shows you the ingredient list, you can click on each item in the list to get a description and explanation. I see that Innova has more ingredients in it's list and they also have probiotics listed, I was sure Canidae had them as well so I went and looked at their site, they do, and I put the ingredient list for Canidae below the comparison here.
Ingredient Name Ingredient Name
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ingredients Chicken Meal, Turkey Meal, Brown Rice, White Rice, Lamb Meal, Chicken Fat, (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Ascorbic Acid), Menhaden Fish Meal, Flax Seed, Sun Cured Alfalfa Meal, Sunflower Oil, Lecithin, Brewers Yeast, Natural Flavors, Monosodium Phosphate, Choline, Linoleic Acid, Rosemary Extract, Sage Extract, Ferrous Sulfate, Mixed Tocopherols (Source of Vitamin E) Zinc Oxide, Sodium Selenite, Manganous Oxide, Riboflavin Supplement (Source of B2), Yeast Culture, Dried Aspergillus Niger Fermentation Extract, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Streptococcus Faecium Fermentation product, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acid Chelate, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Niacin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, D- Biotin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Calcium, Iodate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Papain, Bacillus Subtilis, Aspergillus Niger, Yucca Schidigera Extract.
Made the CANIDAE Way, With Superior Quality and No Corn, Wheat, Soy, Grain Fractions or Other Fillers and Naturally Preserved! I looked for the same analysis on Innova, they have it on the site, (link above)but it was way too much information to copy and print here, they didn't have a simple listing like above it was separated out and each thing commented on. In the comparison I chose Innova Dry Dog Food and Canidae Dry for all life stages. Hope this helps.
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 10-21-2003 10:04 AM
And why did you choose to feed your dogs Canidae over Innova? Or are you rotating? Also, have you ever heard of a food called One Earth?
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 10-21-2003 10:38 AM
Remember I did the taste test with my dogs? They didn't really care for Innova, they chose the Canidae out of the ones I brought home, which was like 6 I think. They also like TimberWolf organics, but I couldn't handle the strong smell. I do rotate my dogs food, but they get a pretty wide variety of food on a daily basis anyhow. Innova was what Witt was on when I got him from California so I was surprised he turned his nose up at it and chose something different. I haven't heard of One Earth....I'll have to look now, lol. IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 10-21-2003 10:41 AM
Here's an interesting take on the matter. This is from a site sepcifically about large breed dogs (http://www.wilpowerkennels.com/feeding.htm): "Case in point, consider the kibble called Innova. To the uneducated, Innova looks like a totally great kibble! It contains all natural, quality ingredients with nothing artificial. Better yet, these items must have been professionally balance by a nutritionist, because that's how kibble manufacturers do it, right? We concede that for some small or medium breed dogs, Innova may be a great kibble choice. However, we believe Innova is far too rich to feed to any large dog as it promotes a too fast growth process and other associated ailments. We've heard of certain large breed owners having good success with this kibble, but more often than not, we've witnessed the opposite. Of course, we understand why many uneducated dog owners buy it. - The marketing of the quality ingredients makes it a show stopper for many kibble buyers who never look beyond the quality ingredients to the factual application in their large dog's diet needs. Quality kibble does not automatically equal correct nutrition for a specific dog."
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posted 10-21-2003 03:03 PM
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posted 10-21-2003 03:31 PM
Jamiya: Is your dog a large breed? If so, I thought you might be interested in this site: www.greatdanelady.com She is a canine nutrition consultant and raises great danes. Both Canidae and Innova are on her list but she does not recommend feeding any puppy formulas. Anyway, her site is loaded with info and I found it very interesting. IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 10-21-2003 03:35 PM
No, she's not a large breed. We don't really know what she is, but I doubt she will get over 40 pounds.
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 10-21-2003 03:38 PM
Jimiya from your post "Innova may be a great kibble choice. However, we believe Innova is far too rich to feed to any large dog as it promotes a too fast growth process and other associated ailments. We've heard of certain large breed owners having good success with this kibble, but more often than not, we've witnessed the opposite." I wonder if this is Jakes problem, He is 100# And then Nerns post about a nutritionist recommending it for large breeds dogs. Som much conflicting information! Well I was able to get Natural Balance pototao and duck today so I am going to try him on that. IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 10-21-2003 05:14 PM
That is a great site Jimaya, thank you for posting it. I have been trying to learn about exactly that issue for several months and the information I find is usually over my head. I know from personal experience that "growing" your puppy too fast is asking for a boat load of trouble. I learned it with horses as well. I had a German Sheherd that got really tall really fast and suffered with something called Paneosteoitis(sp?). He also had HD at an early age and we did have to put him down. Lately with all the reading on nutrition I have been doing it has occured to me that his diet was probably a factor in those problems. I will read that site more closely and soak up what I can. The thing is ...even if I read the heck out of it, alot of the monitoring they are talking about doing of your puppies growth requires an experienced eye, and hands on with many dogs over much time. It's a skill that you learn over time. I can list and describe many conformational faults in horses, but recognizing them on a real horse is another matter. In the last couple of years I have attended some livestock auctions, my horse trainer took me and we looked over the horses, kinda like a quiz, he would ask me to evaluate a horse, find faults and good points. I got pretty good at it over time, but the subtle things are still hard for me to pick up on. My point is, that as much as I love to read and learn, it isn't going to make an expert out of me because I still lack the hands on years of experience. I am aware that having your puppy grow naturally and slow and steady is the best way and I know the why's, but I don't know how to evaluate my dog and pick whats he needs nutritionally to make sure he is growing steadily and safely. That was actually a point I asked about when picking out a food. I just got confusing answers, lol. People don't all agree so you hear points of view and you do the best you can. my aunt who breeds Great Danes uses low protein food for her pups and she rattled off a bunch of other things she looks for as well to prevent her pups from growing too fast. I don't see her often enough to learn much from her which is a shame. Ya know Witt toes out a bit and I have asked several people about it, even posted on a couple boards asking for possible explanations, not one person ever suggested it might be a symptom of his food being too rich for him. My vet told me to be careful picking out commercial foods that were "puppy" foods, he said often they are too high in proteinI picked one that specifically addressed the issue of letting a puppy grow slow and steady and hoped I was choosing right cause I didn't know how to do more. But my vet told me I could switch him to an adult food when he was like 9 months old and I have heard many different opinions on that too....it's overwhelming! I do appreciate that link though, I plan on reading the heck out of it. I did agree with their "rules" especially the one that says each dog needs are different. I wonder if they feed a bunch of different foods in their kennel to accomodate that? IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 10-21-2003 05:21 PM
Oh yeah...LOL nern, YUK! Whenever I go into the shop where I buy my food, the gal who owns it gives me tons of free samples and I use them for treats, one or two of those little sample bags fits nicely into my treat bag. I put the TimberWolf Organics in one day and we left for a flyball event, all day I walked around with my hand smelling like that...it was like having smelling salts waved under my face ICK! But the dogs really like it, and she keeps giving it to me for treats so I put up with the smell and give it to them at home(where I can wash my hands) on occasion for tricks performed of course! IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 10-21-2003 05:55 PM
I went back and read more, I found lots of stuff that I find valuable, and I found that I don't agree with all of whats on there, but like most I pick and choose what makes sense to me. I was disappointed that she didn't go into more on HOW to recognize growth patterns and possible problems, again there's my problem...I don't know how to look at my dogs and evaluate them to that degree of detail. I can do the obvious, healthy coat, eyes, skin, activity etc...but what she is talking about it pretty complicated in my opinion. I can tell you that Witt looks a little "butt high" meaning he is lower at the shoulder than at the hip. In horses that is common for a yearling, I don't know about dogs...will he grow into himself? or is that a sign that I am not feeding him properly? I don't have a clue. Witt was fed Innova until 9 weeks of age. He was then switched to Nutro puppy when I got him, for the length of one bag, until I figured out I wanted something better. I put him on Precise Growth Formula and he stayed on that until 81/2 months when I added in the Canidae to make a half and half mix. He has been on Canidae since. Dooley is one of those dogs she talked about needing a performance diet, he is just made that way, he wiggles non-stop, even if it's only slightly...the dog is in constant motion, even when he is totally relaxed, something is wiggling. He plays flyball, runs nightly, does agility here and there and he burns through food. He seems to be doing excetionally well on the Canidae. He was on the Precise Endurance. I felt like Precise was a good food, but I personally feel like the Canidae is better. However after reading that site, she is right in that, quality ingredients doesn't help if it's not balanced nutrition for YOUR specific dog. So that puts me back to reading and absorbing as much as I can, being open to new stuffs and trying my best to make great choices for my guys. IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 10-22-2003 06:41 AM
Maisey, you might try e-mailing the person who did that site and asking your questions about how to evaluate your dogs. It will still be largely a matter of experience, but at least it would give you a starting point. A dog breeder gets a LOT more experience because of the number of dogs they handle, as opposed to the regular pet owner who only has a handful of dogs over their entire lives. I got a very detailed message back from the girl at that site. I have written back and asked for permission to post it in full and I don't see why she would object. The essence of it is that she recommended one of 4 different foods for Nala, based on my description of her (27 pounds, about 16 inches at the shoulder, about 5 months old, very active). Those foods are: Innova, Canidae, Pedigree, and Nutro Max. I had mentioned the Innova and Canidae, and she said she would applaud either choice, and that the Pedigree is almost as good even if it isn't as "trendy." I haven't gone to look it up yet and see what is in it. She said to stay away from lamb-based foods for very active dogs. Chicken and beef are more high-energy foods. She also said that at about 5 months, Nala really doesn't need puppy food anymore, or I could mix puppy food with adult food. She also had recommendations for how to choose the new food based on how she reacts to samples, and how to introduce it. Honeybear - she also said that she finds Innova may aggravate allergies, whereas Canidae is a superb choice for dogs with allergies. I will post the whole thing if she says it is okay.
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 10-22-2003 06:51 AM
Oh, I forgot. What do you think about mixing kibbles, like mixing Innova and Canidae or some other combination? I went and looked at Pedigree and Nutro Max and their ingredients don't look as good as Innova or Canidae. But the person at that site says that quality ingredients don't automatically make it the right food for a specific dog. So if that is the case, then how do we choose? Or is it a matter of trying several and evaluating how the dog reacts to them? And on the opposite end of not wanting to "grow" a large breed dog - I want to make sure Nala gets as big as she is meant to get (since she will still be a good deal smaller than the size we were going for). Will the wrong food cause her to stop growing prematurely?
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posted 10-22-2003 08:15 AM
Jimiya - thanks for the input on Innova possbily causing allergies. That just confirms my suspisions even more and to switch his food. Honeybear IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 10-22-2003 09:42 AM
Jimaya, I agree with her that quality ingredients don't make it the perfect food for your dog, BUT I think I can find a food with quality ingredients AND proper balance for my dog. I'm not willing to give up one for the other. JMO. Years ago, there weren't too many choices, today there are many, and kibble isn't the only option. Combining types of feeding is something I do, it isn't something I plan, but they do get raw meats and veggies and beef bones from the butcher in addition to the kibble. Not daily, but several times a week. I'll keep reading and researching, but I am not willing to feed them foods with cancer causing preservatives, excessive fillers or by products in them. It did occur to me yesterday that there is a lady in my area who specializes in Ortho issues, she does therapy with them, she is a vet and also into alternative medicine. Several people in Flyball rave about her, she also plays flyball with one of her dogs. I could always take Witt to her and ask what she thinks about his development. The cost of the appt. may be worth the peace of mind. I'm actually not too worried about it though, I think I am doing a good job, not perfect mind you, but being aware and conscious of the issues is a good start. I mix kibble to the degree that I use all those samples as treats, and I have won several bags of dog food at events. They were what I would call foods with quality ingredients, I liked them so I just added them in. This may get some disagreement but I'll toss it out there anyhow.... although I want my animals to eat good nutritious foods, I also don't want to pamper them. What I mean is, I truely think that sometimes (not all dogs!), being too careful, feeding only one thing, etc. can actually cause your animal to be very sensitive. I'll make a comparison with my horse again cause it's what I know, lol so bare with me. When I got her, she had just turned three, been mostly kept in a stall, fed very carefully, had not done much grazing and was basically a stall raised baby. When I got her I basically kept her on the same diet except she was now going out on pasture. She got some upset tummies and when I got bought new grass hay, same thing she had been on, just local grass hay but different field, she got gas colic, scared the heck out of me and cost me a bit in a vet bill. It occured to me that she had been pretty pampered. She had been wearing shoes from the minute she started training too her feet were soft and thin and tender. I have since then had the additude that she needed to "toughen up". Horses raised on ranches often forage and get into stuff they shouldn't, they live their first two years on sometimes rough terrain barefoot, when they come in for training, they have tough feet and tummies. I know this isn't fact, it is only my observation, and she has toughened up, she has an awesome immune system, her feet are much better than they were and she isn't so sensitive about what she eats. In fact, lol, she loves to eat just about anything! including those candies called Fireballs. I don't want to pamper the dogs to the point that they have tender tummies even though I want them to eat healthy. OK I am just rambling now but I wanted to tell you this too, one of my favorite things to do is take my horse on a foraging walk. I noticed that many things we all call weeds, she thinks are absolute delicious finds. It made me curious so i started taking a little sample of the things she would pick out and eat and looking them up. She is very precise too, she uses her lips and pushes some aside to get at exactly what she wants, if she gets a leaf of something she doesn't want she actually spits it out. I discovered that she is basically picking out herbs or plants that have value. Some days she seems to be only wanting one thing other days it something else or several kinds. Dandelions are one of her faves and I read that they are high in Vitamina A, C, and D and iron, they are very nutritious, have more potassium than a banana and are supposed to be good for digestion, liver and kidneys and are a diuretic. Now I'm not an herbalist or anything but it seems to me like she knows what she is doing! (OK I'm done! sorry to get off topic and ramble on) IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 10-22-2003 10:40 AM
Ramble away! That's all very interesting and coincides with my own views. I just get worried sometimes that if I start to think that "I know best" and disregard a vet's advice (for instance) that I could be wrong and end up hurting my animals. I guess that's why we read and ask so many questions and gather different opinions and then weigh the results. In that spirit, I called the cute little pet store I found that carries both Innova and Canidae and asked what they would recommend for a medium-sized 5-month old very active shelter dog. He chose Healthwise puppy food (same manufacturer as Innova and California Natural). When I asked why, he said the avacado oil and garlic were good for shelter dogs, to clean out "stuff" from their systems. I think I may do as you suggest and rotate foods. The info I read before getting a puppy all said to NEVER feed ANYTHING except "dog food" because it is properly balanced and adding anything else to the diet upsets that balance. I am seeing that view may be outdated now. Also, the wilpower kennels person wrote back again and reminded me that stools should not be inordinately stinky (Nala's are) and if so it is a sign that the food is not the proper food for that dog. She also cautioned about getting a clean bill of health from a vet, since lack of appetite could be a sign of something wrong (and not just due to the food). Maisey - It's funny you mentioned the shorter front legs (was that Witt or Dooley?). Someone at the Renaissance Festival commented that Nala's front legs were shorter than her back legs. I was sort of offended. But now I keep looking at her and thinking maybe they are....
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 10-22-2003 11:22 AM
Witt is the one who is a little downhill, I don't think I would even notice it except it's something you look at in horses conformation, lol. I asked a trainer not too long ago what she thought of the way Witt was put together, she said he toed out a bit and some of that was being a puppy and some was genetic, she said he would always toe out a bit. She said he has an excellent bite, his eyes are set nicely in his head(?) and a few things I didn't quite get..wasn't sure if they were bad or good. She said he was fairly nicely put together, and at that moment I was satisfied with that lol. I have wondered quite a bit if the toeing in has anything to do with him being a bit uncoordinated when taking turns at high speeds, but I have been assured by several breeders that he just needs to mature. I know I worry too much, but I love the big lug! IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 10-22-2003 11:33 AM
Well I guess that is better than his eyes sitting on top of his head, isn't it?  You're from Portland, Maisey? I love that part of the country. I grew up across the river in Longview, WA. If I move out there, will you be my friend? LOL! Anyway, I am still vacillating on the food thing. I think I will get some samples and see what Nala thinks. The wilpower kennel chick said to feed her some of the new food and watch for stomach upset, diarrhea, etc. Then try again in a couple days with a new sample. Based on the results, pick the one that seems to agree with her most. In the absence of a clear choice, go with what she liked best. She also said she would go cold turkey from Science Diet to a quality food like Innova or Canidae - no mixing, etc. She said Innova is famous for causing loose stools for a good week after introduction, but Canidae usually goes very smoothly. I have always noticed how shiney Nala's coat is. Hopefully the new food will make her coat even shinier. Now I am looking at kitten foods by the same manufacturers for our short-tailed possum, LOL! (Our cats are on prescription diet and I don't want to mess with it since it keeps our boy UTI-free.) His coat could use some improvement and he could definitely benefit from more natural ingredients. He could probably live off a sample bag for a couple weeks!
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 10-22-2003 11:51 AM
Yes I am in Portland, I'd like to get out more in the country, maybe Colton. Shawn wants to move over to Washington and get some property, I hate the idea of a sales tax LOL. Are you considering moving back? I forgot to see where you are now. I have met a couple people off dog boards that are in my area, only once was it kinda not a good thing. It's fun to have friends that share your obsession for dogs. I wouldn't waste any time getting off the SD, but you already know how I feel about it. It may just take some time in figuring out what is best for her. I have had several oppossums for pets, never a short tailed one. My first indoor pet was a huge opposum named Sheila, my mom found her half drowned floating down a creek locked in a capture cage. She was blind and had an addiction to gum drops but was a faithful companion to me and was very well behaved in the house. IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 10-22-2003 12:32 PM
We have always talked about moving out there, but we've just never taken the step. I'm in Kansas now. I have so little in common here with anyone I know. My husband's sister is in Portland now. We were just out there in April for her wedding. My daughter and I would just die to be able to have horses! The sort-tailed possum is a rainforest critter originally from South America. They are small - about the size of a hamster but not as plump. More like a very short ferret. He eats kitten food, baby food, and things like wax worms and eggs. He should get crickets, too, but they terrify me. He has a cute little non-weight-bearing prehensile tail and huge eyes. I will try to go get some food samples tonight. My husband is out of town so it's hard to get anywhere unless I take Nala with me. I guess I will find out if they mind having dogs in the little pet store I found.
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posted 10-22-2003 06:50 PM
I just spent an hour in that pet store, LOL. I got samples of....let me see. Eagle Pack Holistic. Lick Your Chops Puppy. Canidae. Innova. Healthwise - she gave me an adult bag to try for flavor because it was returned and she couldn't re-sell it (and they had no samples of puppy food). And I bought some brewers yeast/garlic supplements that she says she uses as a flea preventive along with rosemary and other things. She also had a book that they are going to start stocking that talks about diseases and conditions and herbal and other natural remedies for them. I may pick that up when I go in to actually purchase food. I also picked up Innova cat food samples for the possum and Eagle Pack Holistic to evaluate for the cats. I am nervous about switching them because one needs prescription diet for UTI's and has done well on Purina CNM U/R Formula for the last 10 years. She said to see which food Nala prefers and go with that one first and make sure she tolerates it well. She also said to pick about 4 foods and rotate them every 3 months or so. She recommended that in the winter you choose a food higher in omega-3's and other stuff for their coats, since it is dry. And in the summer some dogs don't eat as much when it is really hot so you should go with a higher protein food in the summer. I guess tomorrow I will set some of each food out and see what Nala does. I don't have that many bowls!
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posted 10-22-2003 07:05 PM
LMBO! Jimaya I just spent the last hour and a half at the shop where I buy my dog food. I always end up chatting with her and tonight I wanted to buy Felidae for our cat. He has also been on Purinas UT Health formula for the last 5 years, but he has horrible allergies. She told me her cats won't eat the Felidae, they just don't like it. So I brought home a sample, sure enough, he won't touch it. Tomorrow I am going to try Wellness Super5Mix Salmon, it is also formulated for Urinary Tract health. TimberWolf Organics will not provide the nutritional amounts of magnesium and phophorus to me like all the other companies post on their web sites, so I'll not be buying that for him. I love buying my food in this shop, it's very personal, and old fashioned way to shop. I also like to support small businesses in my community. She has become a friend...it's a good thing. IP: Logged |
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posted 10-23-2003 12:10 AM
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posted 10-23-2003 04:26 AM
The shop sells Chicken Soup but they are discontinuing it to make room for others, so I didn't want to get attached to a food I might not be able to get. I'm sure there are other "quality" shops around, but I'd like to retain at least a semblance of sanity during this process. Okay, the results of the taste test. I put some of each food out, plus her regular Science Diet Puppy. She sampled some of all the food. She dug in to a few, but the first she ate until it was gone was Healthwise. Second was Lick Your Chops, and third was Innova. The Canidae is almost gone but she has lost interest in eating now. The Eagle Pack was barely touched. It was even sniffed and then ignored for other foods. The Science Diet was sniffed and ignored completely. (Canidae and Eagle Pack were just sniffed again and turned down....err, eating Canidae now.) I think the little critter is full. Interestingly enough, I have been concerned about leaving dog food out because I don't want my cats to eat it. I had always been told that cats LOVE dog food because of the high fat (unless I am remembering that backwards now). Anyway, I have left the Science Diet out by mistake before, but as far as I can tell it has been ignored by the cats. This morning I dropped a piece of food on the floor in the kitchen and couldn't find it. I'm not entirely sure which kind it was. The cat (the one I was most worried about pigging out on dog food since she is less discriminating than the other) found it and snarfed it right down. I already had to chase her away from the samples out for Nala as well. Although she sniffed the Science Diet and I don't think she was going to eat it. So I guess now I take the brochures to work and see what they say. I will probably try Healthwise first and make sure it agrees with her - I need to go get the puppy formula, though, since she gave me adult formula (no puppy samples). I seem to remember liking the Eagle Pack so it's a shame she didn't. Hopefully all these foods this morning will not give her the runs - especially since she will be in her crate during the morning and half the afternoon. Goodboys - "remember to exercise" - that's really funny! What is it about the cat UR formula that helps with the UTI's? The woman at the shop said lower protein, and she gave me samples of food with cranberries that is supposed to be for UTI's. But it popped into my head that ash was a problem too - and their CNM Prescription UR does not have ash listed on the chart. The new foods do. I guess I will have to hit the research on that topic as well.
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posted 10-23-2003 09:05 AM
Boy Jimiya, I wish I had a pet store like yours that carries all of those brands, unfortunately I just have petco, They have an okay selction Honeybear IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 10-23-2003 09:13 AM
Hi Jimaya, SD precription for the Urinary Tract health has: Purina Special care has: The ash was not listed on the SD, and the lady at my shop yesterday said they are depending on that less and less as a factor.
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posted 10-23-2003 11:13 PM
Jamiya: You can't go wrong w/ getting a little physical... right? My dogs eat like sumo wrestlers, so i make sure that they get a good work out. For the most part, i know it's our great work-outs that give them such a champion appitite. And you know what, it definatly shows. High quality foods do their body good for great workouts. I've seen A LOT of dogs that are R E A L L Y overweight, it's actually scary. It's like i'm waiting any minute for the dog to have heart failure or something. And the majority of these dogs are being fed commercial diets. Some are even show/conformation dogs! I'd be downright embarrased to show up to a contest w/ my dog's reflecting a lazy owner. LOL. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 10-24-2003 04:43 AM
Goodboys - I laughed because if you had been following my posts you would know that Nala is VERY active and we exercise her a LOT for her sanity and ours. I guess I am going to go with the Innova, but I may try her on the adult rather than puppy. I need to go back to the store this afternoon and buy a bag. Purina Special Care is not the same as Purina CNM (Veterinary Diet). I can't find much info on the Purina site about it (maybe they think you have to be a vet to understand the privileged information) but I have the bag downstairs. The bag doesn't have ash listed at all. I have a direction to look now, though, so I will look at protein, ash, magnesium, phosphorous, and urine pH claims.
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 10-24-2003 08:58 AM
Jimaya, Click on this link and then look on the left hand side of your screen, there is a PDF file to download, click on it and it will open up a whole description of the food and information about urinary issues. It included the ingredients for the dry, canned and super moist varieties of UR but not the nutritional info. I noted that they said that it has been thought in the past that high magnesium/ash diets caused crystals but now think it has to do with alkaline urine. What it doesn't say is what in a food causes alkaline urine! So frustrating. I did notice that they seem to have a lot of water in their foods and I read on several holistic sites that that was very important to have a lot of moisture in food. I read on one of the sites that Honeybear posted that foods really high in protein cause very concentrated urine and that the animal injesting so much protein can't drink enough water to flush it out properly. (Of course thats my interpretation of what was written lol, so it's not word for word) I spent two and a half hours yesterday in the shop where I buy food, I went in there thinking I knew what I was going to get but after reading the bags again and thinking about the new stuff I have read and learned utter frustration took over, I decided to try the raw diet for both the dog and cat that I have that suffer with allergies and urinary issues. It's already prepared frozen raw food, has high water content and the protein content is 13% compared to the 32% found in the kibble varieties. They liked it last night alot, so we will see. Dooley and Witt are doing awesome on the Canidae, I keep getting comments from strangers on their coats and I see a huge difference so i am happy with that. I bought them both a raw turkey neck for a treat yesterday and then let them have it after they got baths, talk about happy dogs!
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 10-24-2003 09:23 AM
LOL! I must have gone to that page a hundred times and never saw the link to the PDF. Sheesh!
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 10-24-2003 09:25 AM
Maisy - my holistic vet for my cat wants me to put my cat on the raw food. He has horrible nasal allergies. They carry it in frozent tubes. you slice off what you need and thaw out They have huge freezers full of it, they sell about 2000# of it a month. But I wanted to try changing his dry food first so he suggested Eagle Pack and he has been on 2 remedies. The reason Jake hasnt visited him yet is I switched Jake to Innova just before I saw this vet and wanted to see how he did If he still has reactions on his new food I switched him to this week. I may go this route. FYI - the holistic vet said for every year how old they are they is typically how long it takes to detox their system and notice notable changes. Honeybear IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 10-24-2003 10:05 AM
You mean if he is 10 years old it would take 10 more years to see a difference?!!! IP: Logged |
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honeybear Member Posts: 926 |
posted 10-24-2003 10:37 AM
no _ I have it figured wrong, if he is 10 years old it would take 10 months honeybear IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 1392 |
posted 10-24-2003 10:48 AM
Eagle Pack is one of the main foods I am looking at for my cats. I was given a sample of the holistic but I think I like the regular one better (though I can't remember why at the moment). I liked the Eagle Pack dog food too, but Nala was not interested in it at all. I need to find a vet who is into all of this stuff. I still can't say I am pleased with the vet we chose, but I really can't say why.
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nern Moderator Posts: 1591 |
posted 10-24-2003 04:10 PM
quote: Ingredients. Plant products (with the exception of corn gluten meal) tend to produce an alkaline urine, meat products tend to produce an acidic urine. Quoted from Canine and Feline Nutrition-Case,Carey,Hirakawa: IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 1387 |
posted 10-24-2003 09:12 PM
Thank you nern, hopefully this raw food will make a difference then. IP: Logged |
. Canidae & Innova treats are good choices too. This is just "my" experiance w/ these food-products. Ingredient wise, i'd say Innova get's placed on top. Price wise, you can't beat Canidae. Wait, then again ther's Chicken Soup... Have you looked into that? Ingredient wise & Price wise, "i" think it beats them both. It's what i'm currently feeding my dogs, but i will be switching soon to Innova Dog. I don't know if you've read one of my posts in the past, but i do this whole rotation diet thing w/ my dogs.All times are ET (US) | next newest topic | next oldest topic |
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