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blueice99
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posted 08-15-2003 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blueice99     Edit/Delete Message
Hello tommorow I was planing on going ot and getting a puppy but I need to make a decision on which one I was planning on either a black lab or a cockerspaniel please help on which one thanks

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puttin510
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posted 08-15-2003 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puttin510     Edit/Delete Message
Any lab is a good choice. Cockers are cute, I hear they can be biters. Also did you know that the cockers need their hair clipped.

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9jan8
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posted 08-15-2003 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 9jan8     Edit/Delete Message
You can get some help making up your mind by reading about both breeds on the AKC website, and there are links to breeder websites where you can garner more information. There are so many factors to consider.....breed health, where you live, how much exercise can you give a dog, do you have kids or will you while you have the pet, etc., etc.....happy research!

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1Dog3Cats
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posted 08-15-2003 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1Dog3Cats     Edit/Delete Message
Hello

As others have said, research each breed before deciding

Some important questions to ask yourself before deciding on what breed to get.

1) How much time can I devote to the dog, grooming costs/frequency, training, and health?
2) What is the number one reason I want a dog?
3) Do I believe the dog will have a lot of contact with children or older people?
4) What behaviors am I willing and not willing to accept in a dog?

One thing about each breed that I don't like or see as a potential problem in the breed for a lot of people...

Labs ... Very active!!!!! Not a breed for those who want a mellow sit at your feet dog.
Spaniel... Know for ear infection problems.
http://www.asc-cockerspaniel.org/ ... Spaniel Club of America http://thelabradorclub.com/ .. Lab Club

Please let us know what you decide!!=)

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Huskey
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posted 09-14-2003 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Huskey     Edit/Delete Message
hey dont just rush out like that you need to think about you first have you enough time and room for a dog ???? can you handle a puppy????? can you cope financually (is that spelt right) and also research about behaviour and if this is going to be your first dog you have to think about what you can handle
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dogangel
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posted 09-15-2003 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogangel     Edit/Delete Message
Blueice,

I don't want to discourage your decision, on the contrary, I think it's great, BUT, there are some things you need to consider before actually bringing a dog home.
First of all, a dog is not a toy and is not a fashion accesory. You can't just play with it for as long as it's fun to do so, and then when you get tired just throw it in a corner.
So before even considering ANY kind of breed, give it a serious thought.
Do you have enough time to spend training, interacting and socializing your puppy?
Do you have enough patience to put up and deal with the very many problems that may arise after bringing the puppy home (most of the posts here on Auspet are very good examples of what you may expect.
Can you provide the medical care AND the mandatory preventatives?
Do you have adequate room for your puppy? (A Lab especially needs a lot of exercising.)
If the answer to all this is yes, then you can think of a specific breed. I once stumbled on a very interesting test, or I would call it a match-maker on the Purina web site. Check it out. You may be surprised to find out that actually, a completely different breed would be better for you...
Good luck and keep us posted!

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Jamiya
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posted 09-16-2003 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
A lab and a cocker spaniel are TOTALLY different dogs. Are you looking for a jogging partner, someone to play fetch, a swimmer? Or are you looking for a calmer, smaller dog? Do you have small children? Do you have room for a large dog? Are you willing to spend time or money on grooming?

As others suggested, do your breed research BEFORE you get the puppy. Don't go by looks - they are ALL darling!

Puppies are a LOT of work. It's just like having a new baby in the house all over again. We have had our puppy for 2 weeks and it is a constant struggle! (But worth it...)


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Maisey
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posted 09-16-2003 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
I wanted to make comment on the statement above that "cockers are biters", I have owned a cocker spaniel, I have known people who had them and there is one on my flyball team right now. He has his FDX in flyball. None of them were "biters".They have all been sweet family dogs, most with children present. I would say the biggest factor in owning a cocker is more about grooming, they do take alot of maintaining in that area. They will get ear infections if their ears are not taken care of properly. The other thing I have noted about them, is that they seem to be sniffers, when they get their nose on the ground they tend to wander off. The one on my flyball team also does agility, he is an active dog, very loving and friendly to everyone he meets.
We also have several labs on our team, they do need more excercise as a general rule, but need less grooming. Labs are so common now, and there are so many backyard breeders and mixes out there, I personally think it would be hard to put a concrete list of character traits down on paper. If you are talking about a breeder who is responsible and knows his/her stuff, a breeder who is trying to preserve the foundation of the breed, then the AKC description would be accurate, others may be less so. My advice would be to do your homework, research each breed, decide what you want in a dog, find out what that breed of dog needs and decide if you can honestly offer it. Looking at health issues for each breed is important as well. You didn't offer information about your lifestyle or what you wanted to do with this dog, that makes it hard to hand out advice. If you are buying from a breeder...be careful, make sure you pick one that is reputable and responsible. If you are adopting from a shelter, talk to the volunteers, they usually are the ones who have spent the most time messing with the dogs, and can tell you a bit more about it's personality. Personal opinion>>> do not buy from a pet store or puppy mill. and last but no less important...be aware of the costs involved in owning a dog. Obedience classes, training sessions if you get in over your head with an issue and need help from a professional, spaying/neutering, vaccinations, food, dishes, toys,a crate, microchipping, collar and leash, county licensing, tags and unexpected vet bills are just the basics. TIME, the time you will need to spend everyday with your dog is to be considered as well. I can't imagine not having a dog, it's a wonderful experience when prepared for it. Good luck and smiles, Maisey

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Jamiya
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posted 09-16-2003 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
I love cockers. They are sweet dogs!

Don't they also typically have eye problems?


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Maisey
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posted 09-16-2003 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
I found this description on Cockers:


Overview

English Cocker Spaniels are members of the Sporting Group. They were
originally designed as a hunting companion for flushing and retrieving
game. English Cocker Spaniels can still be used for hunting purposes
provided a dog is chosen with the proper structure and temperament.
Most English Cocker Spaniels, however, are companion animals. They are
friendly, gentle, obedient and adaptable.
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History

In the 1800's, small spaniels were developed to hunt woodcock. The
sizes of puppies from these early litters varied widely. The first
stud book of the Kennel Club (United Kingdom) divided the dogs by
weight alone. If a spaniel weighed under 25 lbs, it was called a
Cocker Spaniel. If a spaniel weighed over 25 lbs, it was called a
Field Spaniel. Problems existed with the weight designations, so it
was decided that type should be considered more important than weight.
The Spaniel Club, which was formed in 1885, created Breed Standards
for each spaniel type. The Kennel Club had separated the different
types of spaniels in the Stud Book by 1893.

In America, after World War I, the English Cocker type was less
favored than the American cocker type which was forming. The American
type was smaller and more elegant. The two Cocker Spaniels were shown
together, competing against one another, until 1936 when the English
Cocker received status as a variety. Pedigree research began in order
to separate the English Cocker from the American Cocker. The English
Cocker Spaniel Club of America pledged not to interbreed the two
types. The American Kennel Club granted a separate breed designation
for the English Cocker Spaniel in 1946.

In the 1960's the American Cocker Spaniel gained popularity as a show
dog in the United Kingdom and qualified for its own breed
classification in 1968. Although the American Cocker Spaniel has
gained popularity as a companion dog in the United Kingdom, the
English Cocker Spaniel remains among the most popular breeds in the
United Kingdom.

In the United Kindgom and much of the world, the name "Cocker Spaniel"
refers to the English Cocker Spaniel, while in the United States the
name "Cocker Spaniel" refers to the American Cocker Spaniel.
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Breed Characteristics and Description

The English Cocker Spaniel is an active, yet compact sporting dog. As
a sporting dog, the English Cocker Spaniel is designed to
energetically cover ground and penetrate dense cover in order to flush
and retrieve game.

Physical Features

The physical features of the English Cocker Spaniel are designed to
create a capable hunting companion. The characteristics of the head
include long, low set ears, a flattened skull, wide jaws, wide
nostrils and medium-sized, slightly oval eyes with tight lids. The
body is compact with a deep chest and a short back. The tail is docked
and carried horizontally. The coat is medium long on the body and
short and fine on the head. The legs are moderately angulated and the
feet are round and catlike. Females are 15-16" tall at the withers and
26-32 lbs while the males are 16-17" at the withers and 28-34 lbs.
There is a wide variety of coat colors including solids, parti-colors
and roans in black, red, liver, orange or golden. Any of the colors
may include tan points on the eyebrows, muzzle, throat, chest, under
the tail, and feet. The most popular color is blue roan.

The English Cocker Spaniel differs from the American Cocker Spaniel in
several areas. The head is shaped with a longer muzzle, flatter head
and less prominent eyes. The English Cocker Spaniel is slightly
taller, heavier and more solid. The English Cocker Spaniel does not
have the profusion of tummy coat and leg furnishing found on the
American Cocker Spaniel.

Temperament

The classic temperament of the English Cocker Spaniel is that of the
"Merry Cocker." English Cocker Spaniels are friendly, affectionate,
and loyal. This is most obviously displayed in the incessant tail
wagging of a happy English Cocker Spaniel. They are good with children
and make wonderful companion dogs. English Cocker Spaniels need daily
exercise as a outlet for their energy. They make wonderful dogs for
many activities including hunting, obedience, tracking, agility,
fly-ball and therapy. Although, English Cocker Spaniels are alert,
they will not attack strangers. They are more likely to lick a burglar
than to protect your home. English Cocker Spaniels are sensitive and
quick learners, especially when trained with motivational methods.
They do exhibit some independence when outside the home due to their
hunting background, but do not wander out of your eyesight. Inside the
home, they stick close to you. They will watch you take a shower,
share your bed, give you kisses and play a game at any moments notice.

English Cocker Spaniels can live in any environment, provided they
have daily exercise. Brisk walks, fetching or field work can keep an
English Cocker Spaniel in excellent shape.

English Cocker Spaniels need human companionship. Although they can
sleep all day while you're at work, they require lots of attention and
exercise when you're home.

Grooming

The medium long coat on the English Cocker Spaniel does take some
care. The coat consists of long guard-hairs on the top and a soft
undercoat. Grooming styles depend greatly on the purpose, coat texture
and color of the dog. For showing purposes most coats are stripped by
hand or with a stripping knife. The face and top of the ears are
clipped. The feathering is cut so it does not drag on the ground and
the feet are trimmed to keep the hair neat. For a hunting dog, much of
the hair is removed. Field-bred dogs tend to grow less coat. Coat
texture makes each dog's grooming style different. Ask the breeder
about the effect of color and coat texture on grooming.

Commercial groomers can be used with caution. Some groomers are very
aware of the different styles of the American and English Cocker. Some
are not. Many English Cocker owners learn to groom their own dogs and
find great rewards in such as undertaking.

In addition to the coat, the nails should be trimmed and teeth brushed
with a dog toothpaste. The ears require special care. They should be
cleaned weekly with a dog ear cleaning solution.
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Health

The English Cocker Spaniel is a generally healthy breed. The most
common problems are Progressive Retinal Atrophy (PRA), Canine Hip
Dysplasia and Kidney Disease. For PRA and Canine Hip Dysplasia, tests
can be administered that will show signs of the diseases before
clinical signs appear; therefore all dogs that are bred should be
tested for these diseases. Dogs which have been tested for PRA will
have a CERF clearance number and dogs tested for Canine Hip Dysplasia
will have an OFA clearance number assigned to them.

A dog must be at least two years old before OFA will certify it free
of Hip Dysplasia, and its eyes should be checked annually (as some eye
problems do not appear until later in life). These tests have allowed
breeders to breed from the most sound and healthy dogs. Some incidence
of congential deafness has been reported in the English Cocker
Spaniel. The BAER test is starting to be performed by breeders to
determine if a dog is deaf before breeding.

There are additional health concerns in English Cocker Spaniels. For
more information, see the ECSCA health section (
http://www.ecsca.org/clubinfo.html#Health)

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Huskey
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posted 09-19-2003 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Huskey     Edit/Delete Message
blueice
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i hope we have not offended you and that you are ok......we are thinking of very important things here.. and getting a dog is a BIG responsability as the NCDL says a dog is for life not just for christmas so can you deal with vet bills,grooming,feeding, e.x have you got children have you enough space have you a good breeder.....if this your first dog....dont go for somthing that needs too much work...for my first dog i got a jack russel....she was easy to cope with and was a lovley dog sadly she has passed away but she remains with me...make the right chice and one day you will be helping someone just like were all helping you
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lissa4622
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posted 09-24-2003 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lissa4622     Edit/Delete Message
I have both a lab and a cocker spaniel. My lab is extremely smart and well behaved but very HYPER and always wants to play!! My cocker spaniel is very loyal and family-oriented. He is good with kids but not very patient with adults. He also tends to get grumpy around other dogs. In my experience, cockers are good if they are the only dog in the family.

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puttin510
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posted 09-25-2003 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for puttin510     Edit/Delete Message
I don't own a cocker, but have been told they can be biters. Lisa down below has had some experience with her cocker that backs what I said. I know , all dogs are not the same and it depends on how they were raised. Maybe lisa'a dog was adopted and was abused. The story can go on and on. I know there are good cockers out there too. I would not tell anyone to go out and get a poodle either. Mine was abused and I have gone thru alot with her. But she is not to be around children either. Baseline, there is good in every breed, just depends on how they have been treated. And Lisa I am not saying you abused your dog. Sometimes dogs can have a bad tendancy that they got thru one of the parent dogs. I'm not trying to casue any trouble. Just stated what I was told by a cocker owner. Also, seen some rather feisty ones at the dog park.

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nonsense
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posted 10-01-2003 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nonsense     Edit/Delete Message
I have the best of both worlds. A cocker/lab mix. He's bigger than a cocker, smaller than a lab. He loves to fetch and swim, and is very affectionate and family oriented.

Here's comet:

http://www.comet-dog.com/pics.html

Steve

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