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n sadek
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posted 07-16-2003 01:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I have a 4-year old Maltese Terrier dog that has never been house trained before I got her exactly a year ago. I have been trying for a whole year to train her but we still get lots of accidents inside the house. I have another X Hound who is 7 but I have trained him since he was a puppy and I have no problem with him at all. He even often sets a good example to her and she usually follows him but, and the problem lies in this but, she drinks a lot of water.She goes out and does it and then we let her in, give her the treat and all the good girl etc but still she can treat the house like a toilet. Her favorite spots are the room where we sleep and she usually sleeps with us or the open living area which is the only access to the outside and can't be closed! The family loves her and we would not like to just get rid of her because we believe she will learn and that there is something wrong we are doing in her training! I feed them once a day in the evening then I put them outside. Then I put them outside again four or five times until we go to bed. My husband is up at 4:00 am so he puts them outside again. When I get up at 6:00 I put them outside again then finally at 7:00 just before I leave home. After all this she continues to urinate in the house! especially between 4:00 & 6:00 (if she drinks) and twice or 3 times a week when we are out at work especially if she drinks. Also if we go out in the evening, even if it is just for an hour she does it. I used to leave her in the house with the other good dog but you can imagine what she has done to the carpets I now have to lock her up! She defecates inside maybe every couple of weeks and the reason for that is she usually defecates after she eats or in her 6:00 trip but sometimes she forgets and she is busy looking at a bird or sniffing the neighbors dogs from behind the fence or if I stand there for her until she finishes she would never do it and keep looking at me! It is really getting to me. I clean up after her and use disinfecting solutions and professional . I grew up with animals and we love dogs but i cant tolerate this type of behavior and her continuous accidents. If I leave her outside either tied or loose she keeps barking & annoys the neighbors plus dig and run away! If I lock her in the bathroom, we return from work and find it all full of toilet etc.. I tried to contain her in the shower which is small and where I put her a bed and beside it some newspaper but she also does toilet and doesn't mind walking in it. I believe she has lost this instinct that we hear of, of dogs not liking to wee to defecates in their crates/beds. I am her master and she can feel I'm angry but I believe because her accidents are usually when I am not around and so I can't caught her in the deed she doesn't understand that doing it inside is wrong. Two questions please: How can I get her to understand this, mind you she knows very well that doing it out means good things treats, hugs and good girl. She just doesn't seem to understand that this should not be done inside. I have even taken a whole week holiday had her beside me all the time and trained her to go out @ 7:00 then @ the time we usually returns home and she was fine. Of course I did it gradually but we had no accidents. It is only when we are out or very early morning when she drinks and we are not around. Part of the problem I think is that she just does it whenever she feels like it because she was left outside all the time before I got her. I think dogs are man's companion and if I have a dog that I couldn't keep inside I better don't have it. The 2nd question is now how to solve the problem of drinking water! I know that dogs should have access to clean water all the time but to her that means toilet all the time in the house. I have in the last couple of days stopped the water before beds (like we did with children) but how long should I give it to her before I leave the house? Like half an hour more?? less?? We tried 4:00 am but even after we put them out for 1 hour she still comes in and pee. It is quite disgusting.
What can I do to break these dogs from this terrible habit??? NB: she is quiet a character and is very similar to a street girl who will do what she wants when she feels like it. I have trained her to obey commands like sit and stay and this was a great accomplishment, but how can we control her when we are not around?? Please HELP> Thanks

I appreciate your advise but I don't think it is a medical problem because she is a very healthy dog I had her checked by a vet before. Also accidents usually happens only when we are not around which varies in time it can be as little as half hour or as long as eight hours. Why is it when we are around she can hold herself? and How can I make her understand that inside is not a proper place and if she does it on the newspaper she should be on it and wetting herself?

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Jas

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posted 07-16-2003 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, before anything has she been to a vet to determine if her frequent urination is due to a medical condition like a bladder infection, UTI or even a weak bladder. I would first rule this out. Then I would have her tested for diabetes - excessive thirst is a symptom. With her age and given the amount of times you let her out she shouldn't be doing this.

Next i would make sure I cleanse any soiled areas *really well* with a good arms work, soapy solution and white vinegar. Dogs have such good noses and a keen ability to find a scent to go back to, despite heavy cleansers.

I know its hard but try not to think of it as purposeful, dogs do not think in terms of spite or revenge. Have you tried crate training her? How long is she left alone during the day? If she is physically healthy, keep in mind it might be behavioral if she was neglected previously without any house training. it may be necessary to go back to the beginning with training like as if she was a 8 week old pup out every 2 hours, after every meal, crate training, someone coming home at lunch, and gradually build up the length of time. but please rule out any medical problems first.

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honeybear
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posted 07-16-2003 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
what about crate training, I have never done tis, but I hear it works wonders, and I thik there are lot og people on this board who can give advise on it and searching the web for crate training. I would also rule out first possible medical problems.
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lucidity03
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posted 07-16-2003 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lucidity03     Edit/Delete Message
Like stated before, I would first rule out any medical problems.

If you haven't tried, CRATE TRAIN. I thought it was evil to do to dogs until I read up on it (there's TONS of info online on this topic). Dogs have a den instinct and don't mind staying in a correctly sized crate. Even my vet suggested it to me. It's great for housebreaking because they don't like to soil where they sleep.

Locking a dog in a room won't have the same effect since they can still go in the corner and have the space to get away from it.

If you decide to try and crate train and the dog soils the crate, wash it out with something that removes the smell. If you don't, he'll still detect the smell and keep marking it (that happened to us at first.)

My dog took about a month to really get the point. But, he doesn't mind the crate and he doesn't soil it anymore. Mind you, he was about a year old and was in a shelter for three months (with no rules of housebreaking... so we had to teach him a little bit.)

Also, you may want to consider cutting off the water a certain time before bedtime, or when he'll be unable to get outside for any peroid of time. I know if I drink a bunch of water before I go to bed, I wake up and have to use the bathroom.

When I read up on helping my dog figure out the bathroom situation, that's some of the advice I found. We usually cut off the water at 9pm and put him to bed at 11 or 11:30.

I'm sure it will take some experimenting with methods, but I'm sure you can find a solution to your problem. Any age dog can be taught, it just may be hard to break old habits.

Good luck!

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ilovemypets
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posted 07-16-2003 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilovemypets     Edit/Delete Message
I have a maltese puppy! I'm sorry I dont know what to tell you to do. These ppl have givin good advice tho!!!! Have you talked to other small dog owners in the toy forum?

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