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danelover
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From:Hillsboro,,N.H.
Registered: Jun 2003

posted 07-01-2003 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for danelover     Edit/Delete Message
Unfortunately, anyone can have a litter of puppies and be listed on the registration form as a breeder. But...
Real breeders spend the time and money to health test.

Real breeders are available 24/7 to answer questions. If an answer is not known, then real breeders will defer to their network of other breeders for the answer.

Real breeders are willing to share experiences and be mentors.

Real breeders do activities with their dogs such as conformation, obedience, tracking, therapy work and/or agility.

Real breeders spend countless hours, days, months and years researching pedigrees and sifting through information in order to make informed breeding decisions.

Real breeders don't measure success in the number of puppies they are able to produce.

Real breeders know the health history of their breeding stock for at least five generations.

Real breeders know what the dogs look like in the pedigrees of their breeding stock for at least five generations. Personal interaction with relatives is best.

Real breeders have paid their dues in breed clubs and all breed clubs by actively participating.

Real breeders work tirelessly for the good of the breed and never expect to be thanked.

Lastly, real breeders don't ever call themselves "real" breeders but allow their peers to do that for them.

Eveyone notice i'm trying to behave myself,,I haven't posted anything to the Dane puppy message!!!

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Maisey
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From:Portland, Oregon US
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posted 07-01-2003 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
I noticed, and was holding my tongue as well.
I hear you.

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RottyMommy

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From:Harrisburg,PA USA
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posted 07-01-2003 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
LOL Dane Lover! Very tactful and true!

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Brent
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From:Seattle, WA USA
Registered: Jul 2003

posted 07-08-2003 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message
I'm no breeder, I'm a normal guy who as a child had the opportunity to watch the miracle of life in action and it is one of my fondest childhood memories.

Now I have three youngsters of my own and after much discussion (including all aspects of the negative things that can and do occur to both mother and child) and deliberation among our family, we decided to breed our AKC Lab.

I did what I consider an admirable job of researching the sire and dams pedigrees, although not all of their ancestors had hip certs., every one available was good or better. I didn't cert my dog (sorry, being a non-breeder I just can't bring myself to use the "B" word), but I did have her X-rayed prior to making a decision to breed her. My vet and another gave her a good rating although I didn't bother to send off the films as I'm not trying to be perfect.

Unfortunately the first pup was dropped on our bed (my wife had her back to our dog) and we didn't get to the pup soon enough. As soon as I saw it, ran with it down to the whelping box, and started my attempts at resuscitation, moms instincts kicked in and she got involved in the process. I honestly don't know if she didn't know it was there, or just didn't know what to do with it. The rest that followed were immediately attended to by mom. We lost another later that day when the vet showed me the cleft palate one of the babies had. The vet had to spend 45 minutes with me convincing me to put the dog down. I was ready to tube him for four weeks but eventually conceded that the strain to the mom of being in the same house with an isolated puppy would be too much.

Never once have I looked at these pups as dollar signs. To the contrary, my original goal was to give the puppies away after extensive interviews of the prospective recipients. My vet made me guarantee that I would charge at least something for reasons I'm sure you're all aware of.

This has been an experience our family will cherish forever. Yes there has been heartbreak, and there could be more to come. All of these puppies are spoken for by the kind of families (and every one has kids, large fenced property, and the resources to care of a dog) that any "breeder" would love their dogs to go to.

I may not be a breeder, and boy, do I feel tired lately, but you can most certainly call me.......One proud papa!

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rgyoung777
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From:Seattle, WA, USA
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posted 07-08-2003 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgyoung777     Edit/Delete Message
Brent, if you bred your dog, you're a breeder, whether or not you consider yourself to be one.

Does your dog have any conformation or working titles? I'm just curious.

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Jas

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posted 07-08-2003 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
Danelover, great post, sums up my feelings exactly!

I would only add "real breeders" stand behind their puppies throughout their lives.

Breeding is not something to be taken lightly and now matter how well prepared or experienced a breeder is, there is always a level of risk involved.

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Brent
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From:Seattle, WA USA
Registered: Jul 2003

posted 07-09-2003 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message
No I have not shown nor worked my dog. I don't much hang out in that crowd. Have plenty of hunting friends though that all think she's a fine specimen. Mated her with a dog that's been hunting since it was a pup.

My point is that to hear some folks talk you would think it should be a criminal offense to raise a litter of pups. To be quite honest I put more effort into finding a suitable (genetics/appearance/temperment) mate for my dog than I did twenty-five years ago selecting my wife. Nobody seems in too much of an uproar over idiot humans having babies. Quite the opposite we reward them and allow them to continue.

I guess I just get tired of hearing how I'm bad for wanting to experience a litter for myself and my family. I will stand behind these pups for life, and I guarantee that nobody needs to worry about any of these dogs ending up in a shelter. Personally (wife might be a bit ticked though) I would love it if everyone brought them back and I got to raise them all. These are my babies.

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honeybear
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posted 07-09-2003 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Danelover and Brent, I like hearing both sides of the story Brent I know you will get a lot of flack for what you did. It does sound like you did your homework and had homes for them and I dont classify you as a BYB, which I would consider someone like you doing it for a profit continually. Many people that do what you did dont know what they are doing and the end up with defective gene pool. My husband was one of these breeders that wanted his children to experience the birth. He mated flat coated retrievers, a black and red one and got chewed out big time from a reputable breeder that said mixing the colors is an absolute no-no. So if whoever got his puppies bred them he was passing on a dog that should never have been bred. (he says he knew who got the puppies and they didnt) but years later he now admits he should never have done it because he didnt know what he was doing. even though it was a great experience for his children to see. What if someone had taken his puppies and used it for BYB, then you have all these quote "purebreds" and then it becomes a nowball effect. I was just reading about goldens who used to be so tempermental are now becoming mean becuase of so much inbreeding and health problems. Even though I was adamant about not getting a purebred - my husband said just take a look thats all. supposedly a reputable lab breeder. Well we ended up taking home a yellow lab, that had a horrendous overbite, the breeder told us about it and to get the dog fixed and we couldnt get the papers. When I took the dog in for shots the vet said the same thing. But I talk to other people who say even though it is mean, he should hve been put down because that is a recessive gene, and someone else could have got him who was a BYB just saw $$ and would have bred him anyway and passed that gene along. I have friends who bought a lab from a BYB and it turns out it had bull mastiff in it, it grew up to be the size of a great dane and got cancer at 5 years old. I have become a lot more educated over the years and I cringe when I look in the paper and just see add after add for labs that most arent probably legit and they think they know what they are doing but really dont. I applaud you for going as far as you did with your research. Many people just look at the papers to make sure there arent any relations and its got be be much more than that.
I am now a firm believer in only getting a rescue dog or cat since they are ones that need homes the most

Honeybear

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