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Doc Helladay
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posted 04-27-2003 04:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Here is a good example of what people are doing out there with breeding dogs..Order your puppy now what a bunch of CRAP..and she takes visa and mastercard GEESH......I had seen this site before cuz of the white dobermans she breeds which (is all wrong) but here is the site..
http://www.wizardofclaws.com/dobie.htm

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Doc Helladay
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posted 04-27-2003 05:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message
When you are at this site there is a place over to the left to their homepage..dont be suprised how many different breeds they got..and they talk about its a group of people but funny thing is seems as though its the same hand in every pic ive seen so far..

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JP
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posted 04-27-2003 12:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message
How revolting. Umm... puppy mill! I love how they try to sound more legit "all dogs are registered" registered by what? Any dishonorable "club" that registers anything with 4 legs.

The worst was reading under "rare" breeds ... "yorkie/shiht zu" and other mixes. There is NOTHING rare about these breedS they are mixes.

Says they work with dedicated breeders??? What kind of breeder needs them to sell their pups?

They claim they are not a pet store but yet are located in a strip mall????

Truly sickening and utterly disturbing

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SheltieBeaglePugMaltese
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posted 04-28-2003 01:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message
This woman is very bad. I have a friend that was going to buy a puppy from her before she saw her website and talked to someone else online whos dog died and then the woman wouldn't even give her any money or another pup . she is all over the internet. go to better buiseness bureau look up wizard of claws. They have a bad rep with them. Also ripoffreports.com. Other sites I can't remember also have bad things listed on that site.

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Anuraagii
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posted 08-28-2003 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anuraagii     Edit/Delete Message
Anyone experiencing problems with them please contact me at Anuraagii@hotmail.com

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Maisey
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posted 08-28-2003 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Unbelievable! absolutely sick.
The Lifetime Gaurantee "Available"....does that mean you have to pay for the gaurantee?
On the flip side of this coin are the people who WANT these "pocket puppies" and (as I saw on one of the photos) "little freaks", they are willing to pay all that money. Some don't understand...some do and still want what they want.
White Dobies? ...GRR the whole site makes me furious.

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dogangel
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posted 08-29-2003 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogangel     Edit/Delete Message
IMO first, puppy mills should be illegal. It's one of the worst cases of cruelty to animals!!! Second, people should not buy anything from crooks like these. Third, don't go for the so called "new" or "rare" kind of crap. There is nothing rare or new about a mixed breed. And there are so many mixed breeds already out there being euthanized everyday, that I just simply don't understand why people would want to spend hundreds of dollars on a so called new breed from a breeder(?)....
As my vet once said "What do you make out of a bulldog and a shi-tzu??!!"
As far as the white Dobies, they are faulty babies, they are actually albinos, and they should be bred. Now if once in a while one is born like that because of a genetic accident, it's not his/her fault, and I assure you they are as sweet as the others, but it's stupid to try and make a "new" kind of breed or variety out of this!!!!
All in all it's just disgusting!!! Excuse me, DISGUSTING!

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Anuraagii
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posted 12-25-2003 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anuraagii     Edit/Delete Message

Media Release

CONTACTS:

MI K. KIM, ESQ. MARCY I. LAHART, ESQ
Feldman & Getz, LLP Marcy I. LaHart, PA.
155 NW 167th Street 711 Talladega Street
Penthouse West Palm Beach, FL 33405
(305) 770-0003 (561) 655-9537
mikim12345@yahoo.com milahart@bellsouth.net


December 12, 2003

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

PUPPY STORE SUED FOR MISLEADING CUSTOMERS, SELLING SICK PUPPIES

(Pembroke Pines, FL) Two South Florida attorneys have filed a lawsuit on behalf of customers that bought puppies from Wizard of Claws Inc., alleging that the Pembroke Pines pet store defrauds customers by intentionally misrepresenting the origin of the puppies sold, and by selling puppies that suffer from a wide array of health problems, including contagious diseases and genetic disorders.

Although Wizard of Claws has told customers that their puppies were imported from "reputable" breeders in South America, according to the complaint filed yesterday Broward County Circuit Court, in reality the puppies were obtained from large scale commercial breeding facilities in Missouri, commonly known as a "puppy mills", where animal welfare concerns are wholly secondary to profits.

Plaintiff Shannah Diaz of Miami purchased a Maltese puppy, “Prince,” from Wizard of Claws on September 6, 2002 for $950.00. Prince suffered from a congenital bleeding disorder, and died from internal hemorrhaging when he was less than a year old. After Prince died, Diaz began to suspect that Prince had come from a puppy mill, and asked a Wizard of Claws. "They assured me that my puppy had come from a reputable private breeder " Diaz .said, "but I later discovered that my puppy had been shipped to Florida from a commercial breeder in Missouri. " Wizard of Claws refused to reimburse any of Diaz's vet bills.

According to the Humane Society of the United States, the documented problems of puppy mills include overbreeding, inbreeding, minimal veterinary care, poor quality of food and shelter, lack of socialization with humans, overcrowded cages, and the killing of unwanted animals. To the unsuspecting consumer, this often means buying a puppy facing an array of immediate veterinary problems or harboring genetically borne diseases that may not be detected until much later.

Wizard of Claws, which claims to specialize in "tiny, tea-cup size puppies" sells puppies from its Pembroke Pines store and over the Internet. Plaintiff Mary Ibarra of San Antonio, Texas ordered an English Bulldog from Wizard of Claws, and knew that something was very wrong with her new puppy moments after "Gracie" arrived from at the San Antonio International Airport. Gracie, who had received a clean bill of health from Wizard of Claws veterinarian of choice Dr. Jan Bellows, walked on her wrists and she kept falling down on her back legs. Gracie was soon diagnosed as suffering from severe hip dysplasia with early onset arthritis. Gracie’s hip sockets are so bad that they do not have a cup to hold the ball of the joint, and she needs at least two surgeries. If the surgeries are not successful Gracie will have to be euthanized. Wizard of Claws refuses to assist with the costs of the surgeries, or to even reimburse the $1200.00 Ibarra paid for the pup.


The lawsuit, which alleges fraud, breach of warranty and multiple counts of violating the Florida Deceptive and Unfair Trade Practices Act, asks that the plaintiffs be reimbursed for the purchase price of their puppies as well as the veterinary expenses incurred as a result of the purchase an unhealthy pup.


NOTE: Some of the victims of Wizard of Claws and other animal lovers will be demonstrating outside the store at 9101Taft Street, Pembroke Pines tommorow, Saturday, December 13th starting at 11:00 am. Attorneys Mi Kim and Marcy LaHart will be present to answer any questions concerning the case.

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GoodboysBaddogs
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posted 12-25-2003 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
SHUT EM DOWN
GET YOUR MONEY
& BEAT DOWN THE OWNER!!!
Okay, don't beat him down, GIVE THEM AN EAR-FULL !!!!!

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tjinaustin
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posted 12-25-2003 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tjinaustin     Edit/Delete Message
THAT'S SO FUNNY BECAUSE I HAVE A DOBERMAN.I HAVE BEEN DOING ALOT OF RESEARCH ON THEM AND THE "WHITE"DOBERMAN IS NOT A BREED!!!!IT WAS A MISTAKE!!!CALLED.................ALBINO!!!IF YOU BREED A DOG WITH AN ALBINO,YOU ARE SICK.THEY HAVE SO MANY HEALTH PROBLEMS,IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL.THEY CANNOT BE OUT IN THE HEAT,SUN AND GO BLIND MOST OF THE TIME.ALSO HIGH RISK OF GETTING SKIN CANCER,YEAH LET'S MAKE THESE POOR DOGS SUFFER AND KEEP ON BREEDING THEM TO MAKE MONEY!!!!!HOW SAD.THEY ARE NOT PET LOVERS,JUST GREEDY!!!!

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posted 12-25-2003 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3Dogsihave     Edit/Delete Message
This site is sick. I can believe them. Especilly the part where they call their own dogs little freaks. I just hope they get shut down. And those people get their money.

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Alison
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posted 12-26-2003 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alison     Edit/Delete Message
I'd been to this site before, but I went back after reading this thread. Their website now has a feature called "Talk to a Live Person" where you can talk to them and ask questions in a chat window. Now, I'm not saying people should go *harass* them, but inquiring minds want to know.

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tjinaustin
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posted 12-30-2003 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tjinaustin     Edit/Delete Message
I JUST CHECKED OUT THE WIZARD OF CLAWS SITE!!!THEY MUST HAVE BEEN TOLD OFF OR SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY SURE WERE DEFENDING "THE WHITE DOBERMAN"====ALBINO.I LOVE THE PART THAT SAYS"ORDER YOUR PUPPY NOW"ANYONE WHOM HAS 8 DIFFERENT BREEDS OF DOGS FOR SALE IS SICK!!I CAN JUST AMAGINE WHAT THIS PLACE LOOKS LIKE!DOGS STUCK IN A CAGE ALL DAY LIKE CHICKENS THERE TO LAY EGGS FOR MONEY!!!PROBABLT NEVER WALKED OR LET OUT OF THE CAGES.I WANNA KNOW WHAT THEY DO WITH THE MOTHERS AFTER THEY HAVE HAD 15 LITTERS AND 10,000$ LATER THAT ARE TOO WASHED OUT TO MOVE!!!PROBABLY TAKEN TO THE POUND.SO SAD

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susan_cude@hotmail.com
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posted 12-30-2003 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for susan_cude@hotmail.com     Edit/Delete Message
I'm just DISGUSTED!!!!!!! I get so mad when I see things like this.... Someone had said they should be beaten, then said maybe just give them an earful. I like the first idea better.....they care nothing about the wellfare of the poor dogs they are trying to push off as rare breeds...GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! I watched a program once about a puppy mill in Oklahoma, I was sick for a week! have never forgotten it, and never will. Why the heck, do they allow this sort of thing to go on.....I'd love to get a hold of the people that run that place....What can someone like me do to help????? Susan

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kyles101
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posted 12-30-2003 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyles101     Edit/Delete Message
those 'white dobies' just dont look right... and whats with the prices too? outrageous! this is disgusting. why are they all 'mini mini tiny tiny tea cup'? do these folks actually breed smaller and smaller breeds? im reading the 'order your puppy' section now and it seems these puppies can drop dead any second! 'give it this that, do this that if it does this..' i hope people have enough brains not to get a dog from there.

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kyles101
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posted 12-30-2003 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyles101     Edit/Delete Message
they breed white boxers too.. another genetic fault that shouldnt be encouraged. im getting angrier by the second.

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daddyfs
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posted 12-30-2003 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for daddyfs     Edit/Delete Message
i really hope people aren't paying thousands of dollars for a mixed breed!! nothing against them, i think they make fine pets, but i usually see them givin away for free!!

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daphne
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posted 12-30-2003 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for daphne     Edit/Delete Message
you know what, i got on their on the live help or whatever, and they REFUSED to answer my questions. My aunt is a lawyer, and a dog lover as well, i would love to take this to her! she would just rip into these people

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daphne
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posted 12-30-2003 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for daphne     Edit/Delete Message
this is what i said to the live chat people...

i have a question about the "rare breeds" i myself work at a humane society on the weekends as a volunteer service, and i see a LOT of those same "rare breeds" at the shelter! So i ask, WHY in the world are you ripping people off like this? do you even realize that dogs just like the ones you are selling for so much money are being euthanized EVERY DAY! that is uncalled for, to sell a mutt at such an outrageous price when people give stuff like this away all the time. and these white dogs... aren't they a genetic fault? making them miserable by breeding them, because they already have a lot of medical problems anyways, it would be virtually impossible to breed them and have healthy puppies as an outcome. let me tell you one thing, i have done my research on this site and i KNOW that yall have a bad reputation. i have looked at some of the law suits, I understand the business world, and if i were you, i would get some of the best lawyers your money can buy. I have never had problems in my profession, maybe that is because I AM AN HONEST PERSON WHO DOESN'T SELL FAULTY PRODUCTS, AND EVEN THOUGH I DON'T SELL DOGS I WOULD NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS ABUSE MY PRECIOUS ANIMALS LIKE YOU HAVE, OVERBREEDING IS SERIOUS, WHAT IF YOU HAD TO HAVE 15 BABIES? THAT WOULD NOT ONLY HAVE A PHYSICAL TOLL ON YOUR BODY, BUT ALSO A MENTAL TOLL. LET THESE DOGS HAVE SOME REST FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! THERE IS A POINT WHERE A HUMAN BEING WITH A SOUL WOULD THINK "HEY, MAYBE THIS IS IMMORAL AND I AM NOT ONLY HURTING THE PEOPLE WHO FALL IN LOVE WITH THESE ANIMALS JUST TO SEE THEM IN PAIN, AND DYING BUT I AM ALSO HURTING THESE DOGS!

And all they would say is (and i quote)
All operators are currently assisting others. Thanks for your patience. An operator will be with you shortly.
and then, when the operater got there she said:
im sorry you feel this way, our white dobermans are healthy, beautiful animals who have all been checked out before being sold. as for our rare breeds, they are all superior in their tiny size

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MistressKela
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posted 12-30-2003 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
Moral issues aside as you people have already covered them all....I took a gander at some of the puppies to see exactly what kind of puppies they think they can sell for 2000 bucks. Im a big pomeranian fan. I know a cute pomeranian puppy when I see one. They ask prices upwards of 1000 for some of the ugliest puppies I have ever seen. They have these poms with leaky eyes and HUGE long snouts. If I were paying over 1000 for a puppy...I would expect a guarantee that that puppy would win the Westminister Kennel Club Best in Show title. But the dogs they have? Average at BEST. Their "best looking" dogs will turn out to be average at best. I personally wonder how they are in business on that issue alone. I've been in pet stores with much better looking dogs for much less (although still overpriced and immoral)

Like I said..my post was moral issues aside. There are much better looking puppies out there for MUCH MUCH MUCH less...not to mention from better places.

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tjinaustin
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posted 12-30-2003 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tjinaustin     Edit/Delete Message
WOW!!!I JUST WENT TO A DOBIE SITE AND IT SAYS THE WHITE DOBERMAN IS NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE AKC!!!HERE IS THE SITE FOR YOU ALL TO SEE www.dpca-publiceducation.org THERE ARE 4 RECOGNIZED COLORS ONLY!!!!RED AND BLACK ,FAWN AND BLACK, BLUE AND BLACK AND ONE OTHER CAN'T REMEMBER SURE THE HELL WASN'T WHITE!!!ALSO,A DOG THAT IS BORN WHITE WITH DARK EYES IS NOT CONCIDERED AN ALBINO,THESE POOR BABIES HAVE BLUE EYES(ALMOST SEE THRU)PINK PAWS AND PINK SKIN HELLO!!!!ALSO PINK NOSES,,,,,,,ARE THEY THAT STUPID!!!!?????THE POOR BABIES WERE SQUINTING THEIR EYES AT THE FLASH OF A CAMERA!!!AMAGINE WHAT THEY WOULD DO IN THE SUN-LIGHT!!!!!!SHAME ON THESE BAD PEOPLE.I WISH WE COULD DO SOMETHING

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kyles101
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posted 12-31-2003 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyles101     Edit/Delete Message
i say everyone either send emails or go on their live help thing.!

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Samsintentions
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posted 12-31-2003 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samsintentions     Edit/Delete Message
I agree. this is rediculous. Sure the puppies look happy and healthy in the photos, but look closer, the one with the tiny bull dog and bull terrrier, those aren't tiny minis!!!! Those puppies can't be over 3 weeks old!!! The eyes on the bull dog pup, aren't even fully open yet, the hand seems to be helping the puppy stand for the snapshot.

I'm definately putting the word out, PUPPY MILL!!!! I don't care if she breeds them or not, its still a PUPPY MILL. Those poor puppies, don't people realize that the smaller they are bred down, and albinoism (if thats a word) is doing nothing but contributing to poor health???

LETS SHUT THEM ALL DOWN!!! Don't buy a puppy from a pet store, go to a reputable breeder that has good referances, ask for history, and photos of previous puppies and vet statements.

GRRRRRR.....this just ticks me off!!!

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posted 02-23-2004 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 10-30     Edit/Delete Message
My mom bought a teacup poodle from the Wizard of Claws in Dec.(she was qoated one price but when we got there they wanted way more)We settled with a price, but we wern't happy. The poodle was supposedly in excellent health. We fell in love with her during the three hour ride home. We took her to the vet and she has two bad knees, (one phase 2 and one phase 3). She also had a real bad bacteria(some type of worm)the vet said that it is caused by an unsannitary enviornment. Her lungs were also full. For over a month we tried to contact these people and they would never return the calls. Finally we got ahold of someone and they had no idea who we were. In the end they offered to give us a small amount of money back and we would have to sign a contract saying that we are responsible for any other health issues, either that or trade the pup for another one(yeaah right, we were already in love with this one). We signed the contract. Unfortunatly she is still sick with fluid in her lungs. The poor baby has been on medication for three months now becouse of these peoples unsanitary ways. Don't do business with these people they are ripping people off and the enviornment is dirty.

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posted 02-23-2004 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
welcome and thanks for posting this, it is horrible, I think there should be some way to sue them and go to the authorities because you do have so much documentation as to ehe illnesses, I am glad you are giving her lots of love and it sounds like a long haul for getting her better
honeybear

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posted 02-23-2004 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuttifrutti     Edit/Delete Message
oops! ignore this one...

[This message has been edited by tuttifrutti (edited 02-23-2004).]

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posted 02-23-2004 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuttifrutti     Edit/Delete Message
You know, looking at all of those pictures... it just makes me sick! What I am kinda curious about is why are they all hiding there legs and things? They only show the face and chest on most of them. And why do they have to have the pictures so 'fluffed' up, meaning, covered in pretty little flowers and blankets, with the puppy 'posing' is that so they can hide some obvious defect? Grrr! It makes me so mad!

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posted 02-23-2004 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Meka     Edit/Delete Message
You know... I have an albino, ("rare white"), Doberman. Rare white Doberman's are a bunch of B*ll S**t. There is no such thing as a white Dobe. Only albino. Reguardless of the fact that they have blue eyes, they are still albino. I got my Dobe from a shelter. I would NEVER buy a white Dobe. Albinism is a genetic defect. The kennel clubs are trying to ban white Dobes, they won't allow them to show, etc. This woman is ignorant! I can't believe people are stupid enough to buy from her! Really makes me mad!

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posted 02-23-2004 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Meka     Edit/Delete Message
Oh! And by the way, I paid $10 plus the spaying fee for my Dobe & she's just as purebred as the ones that B**ch is selling for $1600.00. WTF???

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posted 02-23-2004 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottieZeus     Edit/Delete Message
The one thing That I have noticed about the pics on their site is that most of the "purebred" puppies don't fit the breed standards for head shape. How can they sell those puppies for so much money. They aren't even show quality. I would expect to pay alot of money for a show quality animal. I don't like it when people throw two dogs together and try to get the most money they can. If they were a good breeder they would know that it is all about the "perfect" breed standard, not the money.

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posted 02-24-2004 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rat terrier mommy     Edit/Delete Message
I just tried to ask them a question about my puppies health. I explained that I did not get my puppy from them, yet there was no response. Just wondering, has anyone else "spoke with 'Kim'"

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posted 02-24-2004 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe its just me...but someone else into the toy breeds...go look at their particular favorite breed. I've been around a LOT of pomeranian and poodle puppies..I used to work in a pet store so Ive SEEN tons of uglya nd cute versions of the breed...but is it just me or are most of their dogs very very ugly examples of the breed??? I am a BIG pom person and ALL of their poms are going to totally turn out NOTHING like the dogs you see at the shows. NOTHING like them. Who cares if they are 2 pounds if they are ugly versions of a pomeranian?? They have the nerve to charge 2000 for poodles that lookl ike they have three hairs on their head? I dont understand it. People who buy these dogs dont realize that they're gonna end up with an adult dog that looks nothing like what they want.

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posted 02-25-2004 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
their are law suits agaist them now. i have several people complain about this puppy mill on several sights. whenever you see a breeder exceping credit cards it is a very very bad sing!White are not supose to be bred anyway but they count on you not doing your home work.

Marcai Jasinski
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Marcia McLean-Jasinski
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posted 02-25-2004 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcia McLean-Jasinski     Edit/Delete Message
someo ne said whites are albinos they are not and that is the problem. go to the akc web sight for more info on whites they are not true albinos and seem to have every problem in the book

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