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ko
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posted 02-28-2003 02:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi, I've had a terrible situation.

I purchased a puppy from a kennel that appear to be o.k. at first. The puppy started having trouble immediately. I noticed blood in his feces. I took him to the vet and they wormed him. Concern level was not high at this point. The next day he started to vomit all his food up and have watery stool. I took him to the emergency hospital in the middle of the night. THey gave him fluids and put him on antibiotics. The next day he seemed a bit better. I thought he was going to recover. The next day he declined. He became lethargic...only sat in his bed. I took him back to the vet. They held him a few hours, gave him fluids again, and changed him to a high calorie diet. By this time he is losing weight. The following day...back to the vet. They held him all day, gave him a shot of antibiotics, fluids, and sent him home. The next day, back to the vet. This time his breathing has become extremely labored. They refer him to a specialist immediately for tests. I drive him an hour to get to the specialist in internal medicine. The costs just to diagnose his illness exceed $650 American dollars. He needs immediate attention. The doctor feels that he could die in the next 10-20 minutes and that prognosis is not good. So to stop his distress, I have him euthanized. This is day seven of my ownership of the puppy.

The breeder and I have been fighting "like cats and dogs" over the expenses. On top of the cost of the dog last week, I have put an additional $500 into trying to turn him around. Everyday was and emergency in need of expert medical attention.

His diagnoses included: severe roundworm infestation (very severe..I saw them all...4 inches long tangled together), ascarids tracheobronchitis, tracheobronchitis, and aspiration pneumonia. I don't know what else was wrong. There seems to be some indication that he had other problems. His abdomen was extremely sensitive. I have his corpse and am considering a post mortem evaluation.

The breeder is admitting to no liability. She has been heartless in this situation. She won't even turn her fax machine on and look at the medical records.

Emotionally I am beside myself. I have been drug through the mud.

The sad thing is that I did my "homework." I researched breeds and breeders. I interviewed the lady. She answered everything to my satisfaction. The place was clean. She told me that the animals were "socialized" every day. They were supposively up to date on worming and shots. She said to call her anytime. There was a gurantee of health for 10 days (shorter than desired but within the guidelines of our state laws). She is a Pennsylvania State Liscensed Breeder. She has 16 years experience, 7 years with Cockapoos.

I don't know what recourse I have concerning the expenses involved. At least, I'd love to warn people against using her, report her to the SPCA, or the Attorney General.

Any suggestions?

Sincerely, Heartbroken

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shmoopie
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From:Vancouver, BC
Registered: Jan 2003

posted 02-28-2003 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
So sorry to hear of this terrible situation.

Contact the media...this should put an end to her breeding cause the SPCA will get on her ass sooooo fast.Recently where I live there was a breeder of tiny long haired dogs and they were not taken care of, they had hair so long and never once been brushed it was absolutley horrid to watch as the media did a story on it..they were all infested with worms and hadn't been fed in who knows how long..try going to small claims court, I believe she will be liable because she sold the dog to you in this condition.

That is just terrible...how can people be so crule, heartless and selfish. Poor little guy and how are you? This is devistating....I almost lost my dog to parvo when he was three months old so I've been in your spot...I chose to let him fight the disease...I don't know if that's what your dog had...don't feel bad for what you did...I think you did the right thing and saved the little guy from any further suffering.

My sympathies

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RottyMommy

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From:Harrisburg,PA USA
Registered: Feb 2003

posted 02-28-2003 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
I am so sorry for your lost. Just out of curiousity where do you live in PA. I live in Harrisburg. If you had a halth guarantee on that dog for ten days and the dog died in 7 you have a small claims lawsuit you could go after let alone informing the SPCA to try to get her checked out. You should be able to get compensated for the vet bills and pain ans suffering. Not that money can make the pain go away. Email me and let me know who this person is and where you are at. Babygirl1227@comcast.net. Good luck and let me know if nothing else I can spread the word because I atleast live in the same state I think.

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Pauline
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From: NC -USA
Registered: Jan 2003

posted 03-01-2003 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pauline     Edit/Delete Message
I am sorry you had to go through this, and YES, THE BREEDER is LIABLE as you DID take the pup to a vet promptly for a check up. My concern is when I also read your description, you had "aspiration pneumonia" as a diagnosis. Who may have given this pup liquid to aspirate in his lungs, or did vet say it was aspiration of his own vomitus?? A necropsy doesn't really need to be done, you have a grocery list of ailments that that breeder sold you a faulty product. Now, if you had the pup tended to WITHOUT notifying her or having in writing that she needs to be notified to arrange for her own vet to take care of the pup, that it CAN become a sticky issue on those med costs. However, not in all cases, since you responded immediately to seeking help in order to save it. In other words, there is a good case you have as far as what she is responsible for. Now, the only other sticky thing is, you can get a judgement in a court, but we don't always see the money.
I would sent her a certified letter, return-receipt requested, notifying her of your intent to sue and to allow her to make arrangements to pay. She may not want the letter and send it back to you. So, if so, it gives you and the court a clear view of her lack of intent to take care of her faulty product. So then, sue her, write the attorney general, who may or may not do anything, many suck and just take a report, as well as the AKC, which is only a registration bank. Got the picture yet I've been there.?? Then sue her for all costs.
My other concern is how much fluid was infused into this little pup, as it can actually cause cardiac and respiratory problems in and of itself, further vomiting/aspiration....
And finally, I think you are a marvelous person for your honest hard work and love of this pup. For what little time you both spent together, the love you showed him was that which he would never had known elsewhere, and most definitely not at the breeder. It takes so much to make the decision you finally made. I hope you find a pup soon that is healthy and grows with you, you have so much to give. God bless.

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Doc Helladay
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posted 03-02-2003 06:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hello Ko, I am very sorry that you have had to go through all this. The first thing when I read your post there were 2 things that came to my attention 1 being that I am surprised that the vet wormed a puppy that was so sick, without running some samples first, secondly the other thought that came to my mind was (coccidiosis) you can look it up on the internet...which later within days can get pnemonia....and of course the ascarids...I feel that the pup maybe had cocci before you even got home....My opinion is the breeder is totally wrong..but I also feel (opinion) that the original vet visit the Vet should of taken into consideration that the worming med could of made situations even worse for a pup already suffering..*pauline-wouldnt you agree?
Doc~2003

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Pauline
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From: NC -USA
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posted 03-02-2003 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pauline     Edit/Delete Message
Doc, I think all around this vet and the fluid put in this little guy may have exceeded a safe amount. And then pumping more meds into him. I think cardiac and respiratory-wise this contributed to his death. I am no vet, but I feel they should have kept him and done tests/observation, what they did was the standard with a dehydrated animal, sick animal, but no firm diagnosis to proceed has me wanting to contact a veterinary board as well as sue the breeder. Right after the fluid intake again he experienced respiratory distress, yet he loses weight within 24 hrs?? Hmn....worming wouldn't have caused his fate, he needed to be wormed,UNLESS THEY TUBE-WORMED HIM,OR FORCED IT, but geez, all that fluid has me wondering. And why the antibiotics again when he already had some....he got seemingly overloaded with no time to wait and see. Now the diagnosis of aspiration pneumonia, is not regular pneumonia, but rather from the sucking in of his own vomitus or a fluid or med,into the lungs, causing respiratory distress, as the lungs cannot expand to exchange air. Did the vet put a tube down its throat to feed or give fluids? Or did someone force-feed the animal?? Or did pup choke on his own and ingest food or vomitus?? I would contact the vet board and ask for an inquiry. What exactly is in his lungs, the aspirate, will tell who did what. And how did the vet come to the aspiration conclusion with no necropsy? Did he aspirate a lung and get the contents? Well then, that is how he could tell, and what exactly is in the lung or lungs will yield the final picture. Someone may have been overzealous in tube placement or feeding. Just a few thoughts, but I would want to know what is in those lungs as to who may have caused the aspiration pneumonia early-on. This pup would then be strongly trying to breathe, abdominal breathing, panting, have a fever perhaps, and drooling, cyanotic mucous membranes. Owner needs to put the chain of events in exact order and that will also help. Pup was sick yes, but actions later can contribute to the outcome. I hope and pray this owner looks into it, just doesn't sound right to me anyhow. God bless.

[This message has been edited by Pauline (edited 03-02-2003).]

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ko
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posted 03-02-2003 05:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message
this is me again...the original poster of this story. I'm going to try to address some inquiries and concerns.

I got the radiology report back from the radiologist. He doesn't indicate aspiration pneumonia...he just states "severe pneumonia and possible aerophagia." He was vomitting so much that there was the thought that he was sucking in vomit.

Some of you have questioned the statement "given fluids." What I mean is that they injected fluids under the skin. He was throwing up so much that they would want to rest his tummy and rehydrate him. On a few occasions they injected fluids either behind his head or along his sides to stay off dehydration.

To address the concern about running tests before worming...they did a fecal before worming and I made the vet aware of the worming schedule that he was on while under the care of the breeder. At that time he had runny stool with blood and had a kind of strange cough.

Those of you from Pennsylvania would be familiar with a Vet's Certification for reimbursement. I have gotten two Vet's Certifications and the breeder still declines responsilibty. The certifications state that he had worms which led to worming which "progressed" to ascarids tracheobronchitis and when he was referred to the Emergency Referral Clinic, he had pneumonia and was "rapidly declining." Which led me to approve his euthanasia.

I have given the breeder full permission to speak with the veterinarias involved in my dog's case. She doesn't seem to believe that illnesses progress into more severe illnesses. She seems to questions two vets, a internal medicine vet, and a radiologist's experience and know-how in this scenario in favor of her "own" knowledge of dogs and she is not a DVM. She doesn't think they know what they are talking about.

I have never imagined a situation like this. If I were the breeder, I would have reimbursed expenses in a heartbeat. I am finding myself in a frustrating legal situation. I plan to take her to small claims court, if she refuses responsiblity. I have been in contact with the Attorney General's office. I don't know how likely they are to pursue this...they are sympathetic and can't believe what has happened. I've thought of contacting the SPCA or AKC. She was breeding mixed breed dogs and AKC dogs in her business. I've heard some people say that isn't ideal; but I'm not for sure on that fact. I've also considered going to the media--contacting one of those consumer advocates you see on the news.

It is all just so wrong and it really sickens me.

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