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mdman126
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posted 03-10-2004 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdman126     Edit/Delete Message
hi i need help. my 4 months old pom puppy keeps biting our hands, feet, back and legs.
i have tried all kinds of toys, wet towel, KONG with peanut butter, saying NO with a firm voice, giving time outs in a room for 2 minutes and after he bit my 11 year old son we got him a muzzle and every time he bites we put it on him.
but i am yet to see any results. we love this boy and we have had him for 2.5 months now and dont want to give him up!
is there someone out there who knows of a solution? please please let me know.
thanks a lot:gil

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peteroxy
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posted 03-10-2004 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peteroxy     Edit/Delete Message
Have you tried yelping really loudly when bitten and then getting up and leaving the room? Do not look at the dog, pet it or anything. Just leave or ignore it completely for 1 min. I hear that works, because it's showing that it's ending play.

Also, here are some articles that may be of help:
http://www.metrokc.gov/lars/animal/Educate/cassidy/dog/dog3.htm
http://www.dogpatch.org/training/biting.html
http://www.canismajor.com/dog/bite2.html
http://www.phsspca.org/training/puppy_biting.htm

hope you find something helpful, and good luck!

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MyBabyShihPoo
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posted 03-10-2004 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyBabyShihPoo     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with peteroxy! The technique described by that member is VERY effective, and is the best way to teach a dog that biting will not be tolerated. You must be very consistent with it, and do it time after time not letting one bite go unnoticed! Yes, it will probably become quite tiresome having to do it so often, but the pay off (a dog who does not bite) is well worth all the work now.

Remember, whenever he bites, let out a loud high-pitched yelp, get up and leave the room for several minutes (if there is a door you can shut to keep him away from you do so). If there is not a door you can shut to keep him away from you, and he follows you when you get up to leave, don't look at him, don't talk to him, and don't pet him...basically, no form of contact for those few minutes. (Although, if at all possible, I would recommend going into a room where you can shut the door, that way he truly dose lose all contact...I think it works a little better that way!) He will soon realize that when he bites, he will lose what is most important to him, and that is attention.

Wishing you the best of luck!

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MistressKela
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posted 03-11-2004 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
I never had luck correcting this with my pups honestly...and it went away pretty quickly on its own. Id constantly say no or make them bite their lip as they bit me so they would associate biting ME with biting themselves at the same time...but nothing worked. Bitter apple spray on your hands is a temporary training aid but honestly...I just waited and I dont know how long it took cause in a short period of time I forgot completely that they ever did that. Maybe a couple weeks to a month and they just grew out of it. They definately wont keep doing it when they are adults and it isnt an aggressive thing...just a play/teething thing.

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mdman126
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posted 03-11-2004 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdman126     Edit/Delete Message
thanks to all, i have tried to leave him when he bites or put him in a room for a month and half now, but it isnt working yet.
this morning he bit my rist so hard right on the vein which is really hurting now.
someone told me pomeranians are different than other dogs, they are very hyper, and aggressive and are not normal dogs!!!
he had a pomeranian that was 11 months old and when he showed me his hands there were lots of bloody dots on them and he said even up to now that he is 11 months old he is still biting and he had even gone through 2 sets of puppy training classes.
he also told me every morning he jumps on the bed and scraches their face.
i also have a toy chihuahua and when he was a puppy he never ever bit me hard, chihuahuas are wonderful dogs.
anyhow is there an ultimate solution for puppy biting? specially for poms? thanks, gil

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peteroxy
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posted 03-11-2004 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peteroxy     Edit/Delete Message
I think the best alternative then, if you can afford it, is to hire a trainer. Call your vet and see if s/he can recommend one for you. It will definitely be money well spent.

If you live in the LA area, I can recommend an extraordinary trainer who works magic.

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MyBabyShihPoo
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posted 03-11-2004 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyBabyShihPoo     Edit/Delete Message
If such is the case mdman126, I would continue using the yelp and ignore technique described earlier, and try and find a local trainer/behaviorist. Biting is an issue that definitely should be dealt with early on. In the vast majority of cases, if the issue is not dealt with from the beginning it often gets worse. Yes, biting is very common in puppies, but in no way does that mean it is acceptable. I should also mention that if need be, wear thick gloves to protect your hands when you are around him.

Also, have you enrolled him in puppy classes? If not, I would HIGHLY recommend finding a high quality puppy class that includes puppy play time. The play time is so important because it helps teach your pup bite inhibition. The classes themselves are GREAT for your pup, and it will also allow you to seek professional advice on any problems you may encounter with your pup.

About what you have heard concerning Pomeranians. I personally don't believe that they are naturally aggressive so to speak, unless of course they came from a line of aggressive Poms. On the other hand, Poms are known to be somewhat strong-willed/stubborn. That is not to say all are, but that is something that is not uncommon in the breed. All the more reason to start with training and behavioral correction early on!!!

Just continue to be patient and persistent with the little guy...he is bound to catch on!

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MistressKela
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posted 03-11-2004 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
Pomeranians are NOT naturally agressive by any means. The person who had that pomeranian doesnt deserve to own that dog and must be abusing him because there is NO reason an 11 month pomeranian that is brought up properly would bite frequently out of spite or for any other reason.

Pomeranians are YAPPY dogs. That is what they are known for. Thats about it. They are friendly lap dogs that arent really the best with other dogs or children but they love their owners to death. The biting will stop...the muzzle is a BAD idea. its a 4 month old PUPPY....muzzling him really might have scared him and made him worse if anything.

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mdman126
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posted 03-11-2004 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdman126     Edit/Delete Message
thanks a lot guys and peteroxy i do live in LA. who is that trainer and what is the cost please let me know.
anyother suggestions are welcome. thanks again
gil

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mdman126
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posted 03-12-2004 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdman126     Edit/Delete Message
hello where are you Peteroxy? i am still waiting for the trainer's name and phone number. thanks

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peteroxy
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posted 03-12-2004 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peteroxy     Edit/Delete Message
hiya! I have his info at home (I'm at work right now). I'll try to post it this weekend on this newsgroup, but if for some reason I can't access the internet this weekend (looong DSL story), I'll definitely post it on Monday.

I believe his initial visit, where he comes to your home and evaluates the dog is free. I would recommend this because he does offer tons of advice during that free consult. As for cost, it depends on the dog and what the problem is. I had two dogs to train and they had a MULTITUDE of problems (but now they're all better...yeah!!) so what i paid would probably be way more than what you'd have to pay.

He really is awesome.

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peteroxy
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posted 03-12-2004 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peteroxy     Edit/Delete Message
GOOD NEWS! I just talked to my roomie and she had the # on hand. His name is Jerry and his # is 818-269-4087. Just tell him Mei-Lynn & Tara referred you. (BTW- his voicemail says "Sharpei").

I really don't think you'll be disappointed. Just ask him his list of clients. Its really impressive.

GOOD LUCK!!!

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mdman126
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posted 03-13-2004 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdman126     Edit/Delete Message
i got it peteroxy, thanks a lot.

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