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MistressKela
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posted 02-13-2004 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
I know...that "there is no such thing as a teacup" I've heard it here several thousand times...and elsewhere many many times. I really wish that people would quit saying that...and this is why.
Take a poodle for example...the only thing separating a mini poodle from being a toy poodle...is its size. If I owned a 2 pound poodle...I wouldnt want to merely tell people that I had a toy poodle....toy poodles can go all the way up to what...10 pounds?? Thats a HUGE difference in a small dog! Who says there isnt a teacup size? AKC? And who are they anyways? A group of people that got off their high horses long enough to decide exactly what THEY think a perfect version of each breed should be. They merely didnt decide to put a FOURTH weight division in for the poodle and thats understandable...there are plenty of poodles!

I have a 2 pound chihuahua. When I call him a teacup...I am not trying to claim he is a different breed of dog...I am merely using a simple word to describe him to people. He isnt one of those huge overweight chihuahuas you see running around...he is an itty bitty teeny tiny dog. Its a perfectly reasonable way to describe a dog. I have a black and tan chihuahua. Its not like im trying to say that black and tan chihuahuas are different from any other kinds of chihuahuas...i am just describing him in a way that gives people a better picture of what i have. I have a teacup black and tan deer headed chihuahua with no tail. I bet everyone has a VERY clear picture of what my dog looks like right now. He is a chihuahua...and no different genetically than other chihuahuas...it is merely a descriptive word to describe what he looks like. "There is no such thing as a teacup chihuahua" Of COURSE there is. Teacup meaning under 4 or 5 pounds...that is most peoples general definition of teacup. And since everyone knows what I am talking about when I say teacup...there clearly IS such a thing...as a teacup puppy. Its a way to describe the size. Its ALSO a way for people to sell their dogs.Marketing scam? No. When I wanted to buy a chihuahua...I didnt just call every ad that said chihuahuas...some of those dogs get to be HUGE! I wanted a small dog..so the word teacup was very helpful to me in selecting a puppy. whether or not the word was accurately used in every example...I at least know i wasnt going to get a 10 pound chihuahua.

And that is all I have to say about that =) Sorry if that offended people...but it drives me up the wall how seriously people take it. It is a helpful word...to sellers...and buyers...and people simply describing their puppy to eager listeners.

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PooGirl13
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posted 02-13-2004 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PooGirl13     Edit/Delete Message
I've heard of the word teacup to describe a puppy and I don't see anything wrong with that b/c from that word I can visualize just how little the pup is! Research will tell you that their is a "Toy Poodle", "Miniature Poodle" & a "Standard Poodle" .. but, I don't see why the word can't be used to describe just the size.

I'm not sure why people would be offended though?

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posted 02-13-2004 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OwnedByAChi     Edit/Delete Message
Using the slang "Teacup" is a horrible thing! Since you have Chihuahuas you know that the breed standard says up to 6 lbs. There is no room what-so-ever in the Chihuahua breed. Poodles have teacups, they were bred down from something. Chihuahuas are the smallest breed. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR TEACUPS IN THE CHIHUAHUA BREED! BYB's use the term "teacup" to get more money out of there dogs. The only thing on their mind is the $$ nothing more. They could care less the health risks, or what the dog looks like. The fact that it could fall off of a curb and break their leg! I think that a dog not weighing over 2 lbs should be givin away to a family that can care for such a small sick dog! They come with a lifetime of vet fee's.Byb's should not charge $2,000 for an accident waiting to happen. Do you know all the health risks involved with such a little dog? I suggest you do your research before coming on here saying that the HORRIBLE word "teacup" is ok to use!

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posted 02-13-2004 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PooGirl13     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting point, OwnedByAChi. I'm not familiar with Chihuahua's, except that I know they are really little!

If the breed standard for a Chihuahua is "up to 6 pounds", what exactly *is* a good size for them? I'm asking just b/c I really don't know.

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posted 02-13-2004 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilovemaltipoos     Edit/Delete Message
I do not like the use of "teacup " or that people breed them down .It is like having a premie baby ,so many health issues ,too short of life for such loving babies .I had rather breed healthy dogs .Just my opinion .

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MistressKela
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posted 02-13-2004 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
Chihuahuas may weigh 2 to 6 pounds. If you want to go after ANYONE for breeding unhealthy chihuahuas...you need to take it up with the AKC standards first. THEY are the ones that okay the breeding off 2 and 3 pound pups which is what mine is. Most chihuahuas that I see do not meet the AKC standard for weight and are well over 6 pounds. MANY chihuahuas are 8 to 10 pounds and those are called chihuahuas. By calling a chihuahua a teacup...you are essentially calling it a real chihuahua..not some "oversized" (according to the AKC) offspring.

I did not pay much for my teacup chihuahua..I paid the average price for chihuahua puppies and I got exactly the dog I wanted. I love my dog...and would NEVER trade it in for a 7 pound chihuahua...not in a million years. If i wanted a dog that size...I would have opted for something like a pomeranian or a papillon. I wanted a teacup chihuahua..and that is what I got. It is a perfectly respectable way to describe my dog. Chihuahuas under 2 pounds are world record settingly small...so the word teacup can be used to accurately describe a dog that is fine according to AKC....so that people Im talking to know what I'm talking about...and that I'm not referring to one of those monster dogs you typically see.

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posted 02-13-2004 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OwnedByAChi     Edit/Delete Message
Responsible Chihuahua breeders rarely have a Chihuahua exceeding 6 lbs! And if they do they sell them for pet quality, not show/breeder quality. A good Chi weight is 4 lbs. A Chihuahua is a Chihuahua no matter its weight. If it exceeds the breed standard its jut simply not of quality. Teacup is a horrible term. Does your Chihuahua fit in a teacup? Do you use her to drink out of? I doubt either of the two are true. You can simply say you have a Chihuahua that weighs 2 lbs and they will know that you have a Chihuahua. When I see people using the term teacup I think they are rather ignorant, and that they just want money out of the pups they sale.

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MistressKela
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posted 02-14-2004 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
Well I am not selling my chihuahua so I am not looking for money when I call him that. Teacup Chihuahua is much easier to understand than a number. Most people that dont own little dogs have no idea how much one weighs compared to another. They think pugs weigh 5 pounds. They guess a maltese weighs 20 pounds. Can my dog fit into a teacup? I dont know...I dont own a teacup. He fits into a coffee mug however. Id call him a coffee mug chihuahua but nobody would get it. The breeder I got him from advertised that he had 5 puppies and 2 were teacups. Every breeder wants to find his/her puppies homes...sales gimmick? Sort of. You know what they are trying to do? Sell their puppies. Not a single ad in the paper or reputable breeder says: "Chihuahua puppies for sale" They describe them in various ways. Size, sex, color, heritage, registration, price, etc. All these are ways of selling the dog. Essentially they are all sales gimmicks. a 4 pound chihuahua is a fine weight for a chihuahua. I would also call that a teacup if i saw one out and about because it is a quick simple term that everyone understands.

According to your argument....the word "toy" in toy poodle should be a bad word to use as well. It describes nothing more than the size of the dog. Is the dog a playtoy? Its the same kind of dog as a mini poodle. What about a mini American Eskimo?

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posted 02-14-2004 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cindylou-poo2     Edit/Delete Message
MistressKela,
reputable breeders do not need to advertise to sell pups, and I believe there would be no marketing invloved, as true breeders breed to btter the breed not to profit off the sales of puppies.

I think that you can refer to your dog as whatever you like.

Just my thoughts,

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MistressKela
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posted 02-14-2004 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
But in order to find homes for the pups...the must advertise in SOME form...be it an ad in the paper or a colorful website I would think. Otherwise how would they ever find homes for their puppies?

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posted 02-14-2004 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OwnedByAChi     Edit/Delete Message
A toy poodle is a breed! There is no such thing as a teacup Chihuahua. Its really a foolish thing to say. A Chihuahua is a Chihuahua no matter its size! AKC is a very reputable registry, they arent like CKC. CKC will register anything with legs! Teacup isnt the right thing to say when you introduce your Chihuahua to someone. You can simply say Chihuahua. Why does the size matter so much to you? If they have no idea what a Chihuahua is then explain it to them. Chihuahuas are the smallest breed.

Most breeders dont have to advertise. If they are good breeders that is. Breeders have a waiting list before they even breed. They make sure that they have all of their puppies a great home before they bring them into this world. If a show puppy was to be born, they will usually keep them to show.

How old is your Chihuahua if you dont mind my asking? What was the name of the Kennel/breeder you got her from? I may have seen their website.

If your interested in another Chihuahua please pick a better breeder to get him/her from. One that knows about the Chihauahus. I think you should also do some more reading on "teacups".

I feel sorry that your little girl will die sooner then most Chihuahuas, that she may have heart faliure in the middle of the night because her heart is so small in her little body. Its truely sad that people TRY and breed for such a little dog. I'm sure she has a great home with you, and I hope that you have the money if anything was to occur.

I guess I just dont understand why people would want a dog as small as a pound. Why not just go out and buy a rat?

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posted 02-14-2004 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cindylou-poo2     Edit/Delete Message
MistressKela,
my understanding is that when real breeders have litters, which is usually only once every year or two, they already have many families waiting on waiting lists for these pups. And if the litter happens to produce only show quality the entire waiting list continues to wait, unless they are looking for a show quality dog rather than pet quality.

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posted 02-14-2004 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
If that were the case cindy lou...NOBODY would have purebred dogs. There would be such a select few that those dogs would be in such high demand and theres NO DOUBT in my mind that the so called reputable breeders would raise the cost tenfold. Simple supply and demand. I can just see it now. "Great Dane Lottery....1:1,000 odds 1:3,000 if you want a female"

The breeder that I got my chihuahua from does not have a website. His name is John Collins and he only breeds chihuahuas. He has dogs of all sizes...the ones I saw were all pretty much about 4 pounds with one gigantic 7 pound female running around. My puppy is getting close to 9 months now and weighs 2 pounds 2 ounces. He hasnt gained an ounce in several months and I am confident that he will remain under 2 and a half. Size is a big factor. Like I said before...if I wanted a 6 pound dog I would not have opted for a chihuahua at all. I am quite satisfied with my teacup chihuahua however and frown on people turning their nose up in disgust at the word. A chihuahua is a chihuahua you say? Well then a poodle is a poodle. One kind. Not three. One.

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posted 02-15-2004 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OwnedByAChi     Edit/Delete Message
The Standard Poodle is over 15 inches at the highest point of the shoulders. Any Poodle which is 15 inches or less in height shall be disqualified from competition as a Standard Poodle.

The Miniature Poodle is 15 inches or under at the highest point of the shoulders, with a minimum height in excess of 10 inches. Any Poodle which is over 15 inches or is 10 inches or less at the highest point of the shoulders shall be disqualified from competition as a Miniature Poodle.

The Toy Poodle is 10 inches or under at the highest point of the shoulders. Any Poodle which is more than 10 inches at the highest point of the shoulders shall be disqualified from competition as a Toy Poodle.

There are 3 RECONIZED sizes for the Poodle breed. I'm not understand why you dont understand what I'm saying. Chihuahuas are THE SMALLEST BREED OF DOG (period). If you've seen Chihuahuas which exceed 6 lbs then its not up to breed standard. I've never seen an AKC Chihuahua that exceeded 6 lbs!

Please do your research on the care of such a small dog. I would hate to have something happen to her and you be totally clueless as to what you should do. I can look up some articles that you can read if you want...

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posted 02-15-2004 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
Now you're just being rude and ignorant. This conversation is over and your last post proved that.

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posted 02-15-2004 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OwnedByAChi     Edit/Delete Message
Rude and ingnorant? Please elaborate. I'm telling you the truth. If you cant take that then I'm sorry.

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posted 02-15-2004 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
Not only do I know VERY well how to take care of my teacup chihuahua, I have been complimented in the past by a veterinary professional as to the quick thinking and lifesaving care I had administered within the first week of ownership. I have been working with animals for over four years now and am majoring in preveterinary medicine.

Your lack of comprehension of my point was clearly demonstrated and in a quick attempt to gain the edge, you attacked myself personally. By the way, there is a gross mispelling in your signature which is splattered all over every thread you post on making it very hard to take you seriously.

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posted 02-15-2004 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for winnie     Edit/Delete Message
Hey guys, I was just reading this post and I don't understand how two people can be fighting over a word. I do not own a small dog and I honestly do not know much about them. If someone wants to use the word teacup to describe their dog to someone else, then I dont see a problem, it is not like she is breeding them or anything, just describing hers to a friend or someone she meets. If she were a breeder then thats a differnt story, but she isnt. I have seen these dogs in many diifenret sizes, shapes, colors, etc... and if i met someone who had one and they said it was a teacup, then the only thing i would assume would be that it is the smallest you can get. But why fight over this, you both can be spending your time helping others instead of fighting with eachother. I might not know what I am talking about but it just seems silly to me.

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posted 02-15-2004 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
Standard, Miniature, and Toy Poodles are only put into three separate categories because of their size. People bred the poodle into three sizes but they are all poodles. The words standard, miniature, and toy are nothing but ways to distinguish the size of these dogs. The word teacup while not recognized by the AKC, is nothing more than a word to describe the differing size of a dog just as the word toy is used to describe the petite stature of several different breeds. There are MANY dogs in the world that are not up to the breed standard. They arent show champions. MANY of them are AKC registered however. I believe there are many many many chihuahuas that carry AKC registrations that exceed the weight limit. If you haven't seen chihuahuas over 6 pounds then you must be living under a rock because they are all OVER the place. "Purebreds" that just happen to get a little larger than they were supposed to.
When you purchase a puppy from a breeder....chances are it is not show quality. Chances are. Not always. Usually when a breeder notices show potential...they keep the puppy for their own breeding or showing purposes. So basically...the puppies that are for sale...are not "perfect" according to AKC standards. One of the "flaws" of the AKC chihuahuas that are sold is the size of the dog. When the puppy is 2 to 3 pounds at a mere 2 months old, the chances are high that this puppy will exceed 5 and 6 pounds. Many people who want chihuahuas..want them for their size. They want them because they are the smallest dog there is. Purchasing an AKC registerable chihuahua does not guarantee anything about the dog other which dog was mated to which dog in the past.

I dont need to continue this. You will never use the word teacup and I will forever continue to use it. My dog is a teacup chihuahua. I see jealous chihuahua owners all the time and I have yet to see a dog as small as mine.

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posted 02-15-2004 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
That, Winnie, is all my initial post was trying to say.

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posted 02-15-2004 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OwnedByAChi     Edit/Delete Message
Winnie, my point is when she introduces her Chihuahua to people she is leading them to believe there is such thing as a teacup. Maybe some of them will go off to want to purchase one of these "teacups". They will end up going to places like Wizardofclaws.com and get an unhealthy puppy.

As I've stated many times, there are alot of health problems with such a small dog. I dont understand what upset you about my post? I'm at a loss here. I was expressing my opinions and feelings about such a small dog. You were expressing yours. The next thing I know your claming I'm rude and ingnorant?!? I'm not trying to attack you personaly! The Chihuahua is "my" breed that I choose to learn about, to love, to care for. My breed that I've studied about. My breed that I feel I have to protect from BYB, CB, PM's, and people giving out wrong information. I've looked at so many websites where people were claming to have great looking Chihuahuas. I look at these dogs that they claim are standard. Half of them dont even look like Chihuahuas! Its very hard to find one that looks like it should. I got my little girl from a lady who only had her 4 days. She found out she was way to busy to care for her. I've got a very nice looking Chihuahua (knowing she was only a pet). She has a nice apple dome, she has great saucy eyes, and a great personality to go with it. She does have a undershot bite which would cost her alot of points in the ring. She's my little girl and one of the things I look forward to waking up to.

What "gross mispelling" are you refering to?

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posted 02-15-2004 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
The rudeness and ignorance I was referring to was you challenging my knowledge of animal care more specifically insinuating that I am not capable of caring for my teacup chihuahua.

I dont know much about Wizard of Claws. I saw the website once...their prices were outrageous. I dont know how they are in business as I really found most of the puppies on their page (of breeds that I like) to be rather ugly. Im a big pomeranian fan and 98% of their poms were incredibly overpriced and rather ugly versions of the breed (at least in my opinion) Anyways....people will continue to buy from places like that. Uneducated people that is. The fact of the matter is that many people want small pups. They see 10 pound chihuahuas running around and 15 pound pomeranians and then they overhear the word teacup. Thats how they end up buying from Wizard of Claws. Maybe if the so called reputable breeders began to use the word as well....they would take some of the business away from the less reputable places using the word. Can you see what I mean here? Not everyone is going to put any research into buying their puppy...and we can try to educate them all we can..but there will always be the impulse buyer who wants to suprise a 4 year old daughter with a teacup puppy. Anyways....my point is...if everyone started using the word instead of just wizard of claws type "sellers", that these kinds of people would spread their business to other than just non reputable sellers. Wizard of Claws probably is happy that reputable breeders dont condone the term. More business for them. And isnt that what we are trying to stop?

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posted 02-15-2004 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
Tongue. The sentence is also grammatically incorrect.

It should be:
The reason why a dog has so many friends is because he wags his tail instead of his tongue.
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The reason why dogs have so many friends is because they wag their tail instead of their tongue.

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posted 02-15-2004 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OwnedByAChi     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for pointing that out for me. I copied it from a dog quotes webpage.

Wizard of claws is a horrid place! I've found that they often refer to there dogs as "little freaks". Its sickning.

I wasnt purposely trying to insult your intellignece. Most people have no idea what they get into when buying such a little dog. I'm happy to hear that you know what to do. I'm sure she has a wonderful home with you.

I dont like using the term teacup. I probably never will. I once saw an ad for a teacup persian kitten! I'm sure you will continue using the term teacup to refer to your Chihuahua. I hope that you explain to people the health risk with such little puppies (if they are interested in getting one of their own).

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posted 02-15-2004 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
Great Posts OwnedbyaChi - you make a lot of valid points.

I don't know why someone can't simply call their Chi a Chi since that is what it is??? Or maybe come up with a better word than teacup. I couldn't agree more - Teacup is associated with breeders purposefully breeding smaller dogs and avoiding breed standard, marketing for MONEY and misleading ignorant buyers.

AKC is not perfect but at least there is a kennel club - I'd love to see someone start a reputable kennel club if they think they can do better!

If someone is not seeing dogs that meet the standard then perhaps they should research finding reputable breeders. Its not hard to do ones homework and purchase one from a breeder who breeds to standard but has dogs and lineage toward the smaller end. A purebred dog owner has a responsibility and should represent their breed in a positive manner and not misrepresent their breed nor intentionally mislead people. They should represent their dog for what it is not what they want it to be.

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posted 02-15-2004 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
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I don't know why someone can't simply call their Chi a Chi since that is what it is???

I ask you then, why can't people simply call a poodle a poodle since that is what it is?

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posted 02-15-2004 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rachel2047     Edit/Delete Message
I think that every person who replied to this message in negative way should be ashamed of themselves.
Even though no kennel club recognizes the "teacup" of any breed that does not mean that someone cannot refer to the term merely for the understanding of the SIZE!!!
People who agree with me do not necessarily believe that a "teacup" is of a different breed. It is simply a popular term to describe that the animal is TINY (Hence:a teacup is tiny).
I do not understand why it is such a controversial subject. I understand that along with owning such a small dog comes many health risks and problems. But if it were not for the people who owned them AFTER they had been born, what would happen to all the tiny dogs? They would end up living even shorter lives due to neglect. Besides there are health risks in any breed, pure or mixed. That is what you risk when buying/adopting ANY dog.
I do not believe that the owners of these types of animals should be shunned. I think that the people who look down on them(these small dogs) for what they are should be.
Being the animal lover that I am, I will put it in a human perspective. If a human midget is born, would you denounce the name "midget" or "dwarf"? That is what most prefer to be called. Grant it that they are still humans just like all of us, and it will not change any detail on the birth certificate, but the term is an accepted way of describing SIZE.

For the comment "why not buy a rat ?" I was appalled!!! If you are a dog lover whatsoever you would know that a rat is a rodent and cannot compare to the companionship that a dog(no matter how big or small) can fulfill. I think you should trade in your dog for a rat and see what results you get.

Overall I think that most who denounce using the term "teacup" are snooty breeders who just cannot accept the fact it CAN be used even though a kennel club does not accept it.
You people should really get your noses out of the air and realize that it is just a SIZE DESCRIPTION that is generally accepted to those unfamiliar with a certain breeds' weight.

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"Overall I think that most who denounce using the term "teacup" are snooty breeders who just cannot accept the fact it CAN be used even though a kennel club does not accept it.
You people should really get your noses out of the air and realize that it is just a SIZE DESCRIPTION that is generally accepted to those unfamiliar with a certain breeds' weight."

I know alot of great Chihuahua show breeders. None are "snooty". I'll say this once more because I myself think I'm begining to sound like a broken record. A Chihuahua is up to 6 lbs. That leaves no room for a teacup. The Great Dane on the other had is a big dog, if it was bred down to the size of a Chihuahua they would refer to it as a teacup. Simply because it has been bred down. Chihuahuas are the smallest breed. They are quite healthy with the exception of eye problems, collapsing trachea, dislocating kneecaps, seizures, and low blood sugar. People keep TRYING to breed them smaller and smaller. Thats what upsets me. They are already small, no need for them to be a pound. Then to boot people label them as a teacup. Like I've said before, you can not drink out of them, and they dont fit in them. WHY TEACUP? Why not say, shes smaller then most Chihuahuas?

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posted 02-16-2004 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
Because that takes a lot more syllables.

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I'm probably going to be sorry that I joined the debate, but actually I'm not debating, just commenting.

It sounds like the problem, for some, with the word 'teacup' is the word's connotation. It's apparently associated with dogs that many feel are unhealthy due to the fact that they're purposely bred to be very small, and it's this very smallness that creates an increased possibility of a shortened and unhappy liife. That point has been amply made.

MistressKela, you are the one, as you say, with the 'rant.' I guess we're all entitled to our 'rants'- but that means that so are others. You're hearing the other side, and you've been given clear reasons why people don't like the term. I feel you have also made your point very clearly and that you should be able to call your dog whatever you like, yet you must realize that certain terminology is 'loaded' - so in a way, you should expect to sometimes get a negative reaction to your term. People are allowed to disagree- in other words they are allowed to 'rant' on your 'rant.' You can't force people to like or to agree with the terms you use.

Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree, and that's the way it is!

I'd also like to point out that it's usually not a good idea to make a big deal about someone's spelling, punctuation or grammer if your own is not flawless.

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Not everyone understands that the chihuahua breed is only classified as "up to 6 lbs". Reason being, there are more larger and overweight chihuahuas around than the ones that fit inside the classification. That is why people use the "teacup" term. It is a simplified way to describe your dog to people that are unfamiliar with the weight requirements. We do not believe that it is a different breed. I know that I cannot drink out of it. Not every description has a literal meaning to it. Just because some call it a teacup does not incinuate that you drink from it. Just like a toy, does not mean it is a toy. It is only size.

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posted 02-16-2004 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
Its grammar and theres a big difference in a typo and a mispelling that occurs every single time someone posts. Grammar != spelling.

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Oops! You typed theres. I'll bet you meant there's or there is. Guess we all make mistakes!

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posted 02-17-2004 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
I rarely use apostrophes. I also rarely capitalize things online either. Spelling is a whole different ball game.

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posted 02-17-2004 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OwnedByAChi     Edit/Delete Message
I make plenty of mistakes in my typing. If you get my point then dont bother saying something about it. This is how I type!

I'm sure you have many other things to do then read my post to find mistakes right?

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posted 02-17-2004 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MistressKela     Edit/Delete Message
I didn't say anything about your posts except for your signature.

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