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PITBULL_PRINCESS1979 Member Posts: 414 |
posted 03-26-2003 10:28 AM
Russ, I am not here to try to change you mind.I am just speaking my opinion.You have the right to believe what ever you want,just as I do.I believe in going to war.I do feel that the reasons have gotten off track,but as long as they pay for what they did I don't care.I don't believe Saddom was the master mind,but he is conected to Osama and that is enough for me.I hope they all burn for what they did.I feel no guilt or saddness for them.He was given his choice and he picked the wrong one.So now he has to pay for it.If we would have killed him the first time we would not be going through this.A mistake on the US's part.We should have done it right the first time. I feel that if a country is not with us then they are aginst us,so,therefor they can not be trusted.Blow them up too. IP: Logged |
Russ Member Posts: 147 |
posted 03-26-2003 03:07 PM
I respect your opinion Princess, I am trying to find some truthful answers, I did find them from a friend in another forum. But I won't get into it here, unless you want to hear it. IP: Logged |
PITBULL_PRINCESS1979 Member Posts: 414 |
posted 03-26-2003 04:33 PM
Russ, It's up to you if you want to talk about it.I have respect for what you are saying.I like to hear other people input on things.I try very hard not to be a closed minded person.It might not always seem that way...lol..but I try..Feel free to talk about anything. IP: Logged |
Russ Member Posts: 147 |
posted 03-27-2003 04:57 PM
This is a quote from Robin, a member of our NG. It is whole and uneditted "> I am trying to find out some information about this war.
First of all let me say that Saddam is definitely a very evil man. He took However, it is a violation of international law to invade a country without Here's where my personal opinions come into play. France was a holdout on The cost of rebuilding Iraq after the war will be high, and it has been The Bush's are an old oil family. President Bush has filled his cabinet Even though I recognize that the U.S. is in violation of international law, Robin" IP: Logged |
PITBULL_PRINCESS1979 Member Posts: 414 |
posted 03-28-2003 11:01 AM
I agree with alot of things she said.They have alot of truth to them.I do not disagree with her about Bush.For what ever reason he wanted to go to war..I don't care.He is taking out a man that supports terrorist.We do not know exactly who did it on 9/11 but I am sure Saddam had something to do with it. War is bad no matter what,but I do support it.There will be many innocent lives lost,but that is just a sacrifice that will be made .. so more people can live. This is just how the world we live in works,it sucks,but that is just the way it is. IP: Logged |
shmoopie Member Posts: 361 |
posted 03-28-2003 02:43 PM
I was wondering where everyone was This is a very heavy subject that seems well debated. Russ and Pit Princess...you two are getting across very strongly and you both make valid points...good job! I wanted to point out that I am not sure where my heart falls...I believe Saddam needs to be removed from his position; however, I do not believe Bush's intentions are all that sincere. I would like to see these people saved from their disctator..he's a real jerk. I have many Iranian and Iraqi friends and they are wonderful people who escaped from their country to get away from Saddam. I do not wish for them all to die and think it is very racist a statement to be said...they are not all evil, they are brainwashed and most want the help from the US. It makes me happy to see the Iraqis awaiting the arrival of the Americans and turning on their own dictator. Why are people stating that they should all die? They are not all evil people...I really don't like to hear that closed minded bull s**t IP: Logged |
PITBULL_PRINCESS1979 Member Posts: 414 |
posted 03-28-2003 06:40 PM
Shmoopie, I have to disagree..Maybe I should not say they should all die,but they need to go back to their own country..After 9/11 alot of Americans do not feel safe with them here.I am one of them.I feel this way about anyones family that was not born and raised here.I don't trust any of them anymore.you can call me a racest if you life,but that is how I feel. IP: Logged |
Russ Member Posts: 147 |
posted 03-30-2003 06:09 PM
[quote] Shmoopie, I have to disagree..Maybe I should not say they should all die,but they need to go back to their own country..After 9/11 alot of Americans do not feel safe with them here.I am one of them.I feel this way about anyones family that was not born and raised here.I don't trust any of them anymore.you can call me a racest if you life,but that is how I feel.[quote] Who's country is it? The land of the free as long as you are born here? All Present Americans come from some foreign land and all of them immigrated to America due to conflicts in their homeland, religion, or whatever reason they have. Don't forget, America was created by immigrants. I do agree that Saddam should be removed from power, but then what? Steal away the country's single resource that it has relied on for it's economy? HAHA, when Saddam is gone, the oil will be too, well I mean it will not belong to Irag anymore, Iraq will be a USA controlled country just like Hong Kong was to UK. That is wrong in this day and age. Why not just kill Saddam and leave the rest to Iraq to deal with? Won't happen. Killing them all is a very closed minded statement and it doesn't suit you well. It doesnt suit anyone. They all don't deserve to die for 1 mans actions IP: Logged |
PITBULL_PRINCESS1979 Member Posts: 414 |
posted 03-31-2003 12:08 PM
Russ, I do agree with you on leaving the oil to Iraq to deal with.It is theirs and should remain theirs.My issues are not with the oil,my issues are with the S.O.B.'s that killed all are people on 9/11.As for Bush..I did not vote for him.What he does,he will have to answer to GOD,not me... Your right not all of them should die,but if we have to kill them all to get the right one,then so be it. You are also right about America was founded by immigrants,but my family has been in this country for hundreds of years.I am sick of my tax dollars paying for all these people to start their own buisness and going to school,when I as an American have to work very hard ever day just to keep my head above the water.I am sick of them comming over here and taking all of our jobs.I am sorry if you can't speak english then they need to stay in their own country.It's not my fault that their country is poor,but them comming over here is hurting us Americans. Why should my family have to do with out so the government can give all these people my money?Sorry,but they need to keep their a**es in their own country.You don't see me trying to go where they live.Their problems should not become my countries problem. IP: Logged |
Russ Member Posts: 147 |
posted 03-31-2003 09:44 PM
I think Bush is giving alot of people a good reason to get the hell out of their country and flee for their lives. This so called war is not a war, it is an illegal INVASION America wouldn't let all these new immigrants come to your country if it wasn't good for your country. A large number of them do bring big money into your economy and alot do invest in property and business. It's these ones that you don't hear about and the ones that sponge off the system that you do hear about. Illegal aliens that cross the border illegally do not count either. Political refugees need a break. Obviously where they are coming from is a hell. Would you turn away a starving homeless dog? Well thats what these people are similar too. If they didn't have jobs, they would be on social assistance/welfare and that would be even worse than being employed and helping out the economy. If you feel they are stealing jobs, well, maybe they tried harder to get it and maybe they are more qualified to have it. Maybe they take the jobs Americans don't want. Just because one is American does not guarantee them a job. I think you should read between the lines a bit more and not be so quick to judge peoples reasons for coming to your once great country. It is attitudes like yours that is quickly making USA become a hated culture among the other free countrys in this world. Ignorance will only beget one thing, more ignorance. IP: Logged |
Albert Member Posts: 143 |
posted 03-31-2003 10:59 PM
Russ, I would not go into length trying to convince you in anything, neither try and bring Sorry to say mate that your posts regarding this topic are most ridicules (brainwash at its best) pile of nonsenses I have heard in my life and am sure many others that took the time to go over your thoughts. You have absolutely no understanding of the middle east neither any understanding of the world order of power. To be frank…the only ignorance
2) The western media is full of propaganda – Do you suggest we should all tune in to El-G’azira for propaganda free world news or maybe we should listen to Iraq’s radio channels? Surly they will be propaganda and LIES free. 3) Would you be able to imagine peaceful Canada located somewhere in the middle east? Would you have lived there if it did? 4) Sadam GASSING is own people killing thousands of innocent civilians, invading neighboring countries, having his army rape, massacre and behead innocent civilians are these lies as well ? is this propaganda ? do you need more proof the guy is a real nut case ? 5) Could you imagine what would have happened if Israel did not destroy his nuclear reactor some 12 years ago ? [This message has been edited by Albert (edited 03-31-2003).] IP: Logged |
Albert Member Posts: 143 |
posted 03-31-2003 11:42 PM
Here are some more questions: Imagine Iraq invading the USA or Canada. Imagine they had all the arsenal the US have. 1)Do you think they would have bothered with pin point targeting to avoid civilians casualties as much as possible? Do you think they would have hesitated using nuclear weapons? 2)Would Saddam would have gone to the UN before invading? 3)Saddam's ministers on TV interviews SAYING that suicide bombing will continue and even increase. Do you know any other army using such tactics? Using kids to blow up soldiers? 4)Saddam hiding his troops in the heart of Baghdad within heavily populated areas. Is this a lie as well? do you know any other leaders taking such approach? 5)Saddam shooting scud missiles over Israel, Saudi-Arabia, and Kuwait’s heavily populated areas during gulf war 1, Is this a lie as well?. Why did he do it? His enemy at the time was the USA.
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Russ Member Posts: 147 |
posted 04-01-2003 02:51 AM
When USA takes possesion of Iraq and owns the oilfields and kills Saddam, do you think USA will leave? will taxes go down? will gas prices go down? will everyone in USA get a better job? You want to know where all your taxes are going to? not to new immigrants looking for a new life, job and education, its to pay for Bush's army to invade a foreign land. Your taxes will go up so that Bush can keep and protect the oil. He will use all of USA resources to protect his familys prize possesion and not share any of it with the ones that gave their lives for it. Your country will be tarnished. He is THE COLD BLOODED KILLER that hides behind lies. He doesn't care about the impoverished people of Iraq, Don't make me laugh Albert, his reasons are very clear as to why he invaded Iraq. You are truely blind if you cannot see through it. I do not deny that Saddam is as cold blooded as Bush, I never have either. I never said he should not be overthrown either. I think he should be. Then leave the damn country alone, USA is not here to dictate to 51% of the world, disobeying UN, making his own rules, taking what he wants. He will be in the history books forever as a tyrant. You attack my words with blather Albert, we all have our own opinions and theories. You are the one with brainwashed opinions lol, you should be an American that makes less than 35K a year and drinks 8-12 beers a night , has 3-6 kids he can't afford before 30, watches football all weekend, drives a beat up truck, lives paycheck to paycheck and buys $100 in lotto tickets a week. It's the American dream!!!!!!! You can gather whatever you want from my previous posts, but it truly seems like you are just understanding them they way your brainwashed mind is programmed to percieve it. Call me paranoid, call it conspiracy theory or whatever, but what it all comes down to is Bush is a criminal, some may call him a hero, but he is only getting this recognition because he is taking out what everyone has been brainwashed to percieve as a larger threat. Russ the out of line Canuck IP: Logged |
Russ Member Posts: 147 |
posted 04-01-2003 03:17 AM
My answers are for you alone albert, because I think you are ridiculous. Your questions are irrelavent to my arguments. I honestly cant answer a single one of them. I am not a fairy tale Posted by. 1) Imagine this: World without the USA – No USA. Are you able to imagine such world ? "oh no!!!!, i think we would all be back in the medievil days, using torches for light and fires to cook. you are a nut albert, to think the world revolves around usa, a country that spends a large % of its taxes on military & weapons, they are just a big bully, but in an uncivilized world, yes, i agree, they may be the superpower of the planet." 2) The western media is full of propaganda – Do you suggest we should all tune in to El-G’azira for propaganda free world news or maybe we should listen to Iraq’s radio channels? Surly they will be propaganda and LIES free. "If you really believe the media out of the USA is full of truth, you are truely hopelessly out of reach .bad analogy please make some better ones that a moron like me could actually relate to" 3) Would you be able to imagine peaceful Canada located somewhere in the middle east? Would you have lived there if it did? "well i dont live there, canada is not there, i suppose you can imagine such silly things in your mind huh? like what if bush was the dictator in iraq and saddam was the dictator of usa lol, keep reading your comic books albert-----i can imagine where canada would be if we had the largest oil reserve in the world, we would have been invaded killed and forced to accept it if we didnt agree to their terms. can you see it any another way albert? north us america" 4) Sadam GASSING is own people killing thousands of innocent civilians, invading neighboring countries, having his army rape, massacre and behead innocent civilians are these lies as well ? is this propaganda ? do you need more proof the guy is a real nut case ? " you know what??? alot of these things happen in the streets of USA every fricken day... people dying from drugs, fathers raping daughters and sons, parents killing their children, killed by mainiacs with guns, beat up by husbands or shot by wives, bullys killing geeks, drunk drivers mowing down pedestrians, list goes on. " 5) Could you imagine what would have happened if Israel did not destroy his nuclear reactor some 12 years ago ? "maybe they would be part of iraq?? i dont know, its impossible to know?? im debating now, not then. can you imagine if clinton was still the president?" Imagine Iraq invading the USA or Canada. Imagine they had all the arsenal the US have. 1)Do you think they would have bothered with pin point targeting to avoid civilians casualties as much as possible? Do you think they would have hesitated using nuclear weapons? "with 40 year old weapons? naw i dont think so, i think they would be throwing them at us" 2)Would Saddam would have gone to the UN before invading? "he is not part of it so he does not follow rules or a standard, USA however is or was part of it, i would think that you believe usa WAS the UN tho =P" 3)Saddam's ministers on TV interviews SAYING that suicide bombing will continue and even increase. Do you know any other army using such tactics? Using kids to blow up soldiers? "nope but it sure makes me scared to know that they would give up their lives for their cause" 4)Saddam hiding his troops in the heart of Baghdad within heavily populated areas. Is this a lie as well? do you know any other leaders taking such approach? "it works doesnt it?? I am not defending his tactics, but it seems to me that there are no rules to this campaign. either you win or loose" 5)Saddam shooting scud missiles over Israel, Saudi-Arabia, and Kuwait’s heavily populated areas during gulf war 1, Is this a lie as well?. Why did he do it? His enemy at the time was the USA. "saddam can do whatever he likes, he is the leader of a country, didnt you know that as soon as you are a leader of a country you can do whatever the hell you want" God bless america and no one else lol keep the faith albert [This message has been edited by Russ (edited 04-01-2003).] IP: Logged |
Russ Member Posts: 147 |
posted 04-01-2003 03:22 AM
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