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goob
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posted 11-19-2003 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
I saw something about them in the other thread, but didn't want to sidetrack it, so those of you who have seen them what do you think?

I'm still holding out on them being Catahoula mixes, especially since it's rumored that the first ones appeared in the south, where Catahoulas abound.

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benny boy
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posted 11-19-2003 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
ummm....what is a merle apbt? i don't have a clue what you are talking about...i actually used to have a pit catahoula mix. he was a great dog. i'll see if i've still got a picture of him.

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posted 11-19-2003 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
http://platinumkennel.com/
http://www.teflonkennels.net/
http://www.presidentialpits.com/

Those are a few kennels with merle dogs.

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benny boy
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posted 11-19-2003 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
they look cool. the pit x i mentioned earlier had longer hair, and blue eyes, which is common among catahoula's. i noticed on the first website that you listed, lucky the dog on the right, has one blue eye. i don't know if that means anything or not. the coloration was somewhat the same as the dog that i had.

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ignergehl
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posted 11-19-2003 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ignergehl     Edit/Delete Message
Im not sure that the merle dogs are a catahoula cross.I think that merle is a color acheived through line breeding of black,and blue dogs,its a color mutation that can occur in most breeds,if it is deliberately bred for like the dachsund and the great dane.Im not certain of this,however...
For those who asked,merle is a dog with either a red or blue background,with uneven black and white markings,and copper usually on the feet and/or face.Its really pretty,but looks kind of strange on a pitbull.Its usually seen on australian sheperds and collies.

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desertAPBT
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posted 11-19-2003 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for desertAPBT     Edit/Delete Message
I vote for MUTTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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neek
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posted 11-19-2003 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neek     Edit/Delete Message
I thought a merle was a blue brindle coloured dog. I could be wrong though.

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ignergehl
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posted 11-19-2003 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ignergehl     Edit/Delete Message
Go to an australian shepherd website to see what merle looks like,they have nice reds and blues on most of them.Its quite different than the blue brindle.

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MaydaysMom
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posted 11-20-2003 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MaydaysMom     Edit/Delete Message
We call them Pitahoulas haha.

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Ahkahna
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posted 11-20-2003 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ahkahna     Edit/Delete Message
I would SO love a dog like that :drools:

I agree that it's just a mutation in color, it's done in many animals. The only thing that bothers me about the platinum kennels is their joy over haveing "big pits" with "big heads". I personally wouldn't mind a big pit, but I know I couldn't handle a dog that's already strong as is. -_-

still beautiful coloring though :}

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ignergehl
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posted 11-20-2003 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ignergehl     Edit/Delete Message
MOST of the ads in magazines and elsewhere for pits claim xxtra large and whatnot,its partly because thats what poeple want,and because they are using them for pulling,and other activities besides fighting that call for a large size.My dogs are both fairly large,and I like it.I feel it is just evolution of the breed,it happens with most breeds as they lose their original functions and begin to be bred for looks.The increase in size is not always due to a cross w/ say an am. bulldog,pittys just seem to be running large these days.

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benny boy
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posted 11-20-2003 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
i agree, i had a big pit a while back and he was a handful. really a beutiful dog though, black brindle with golden eyes. he was a great dog and i miss him everyday.

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ignergehl
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posted 11-20-2003 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ignergehl     Edit/Delete Message
I had a 90 lb. blck brindle male about 14 years ago named Hannibal that was a pitiful character,he was terrified of kittens!!He was really cute though,kind of a big panicky puppy!

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posted 11-20-2003 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ahkahna     Edit/Delete Message
how...contradictory to the slash that pits get ;D

Scared of kittens. They are evil incarnate anyway :}

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goob
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posted 11-21-2003 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
I have to disagree with this:
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I think that merle is a color acheived through line breeding of black,and blue dogs

Think about it for a second... if merle were achieved by linebreeding blue or blue dogs, then why isn't it in weimeraners, who are ALL blue?

As far as I know, there have been no documented cases of merle just "popping up", in the breeds where it is a traditional color, there is always a clear, traceable path of merle dogs, because merle is dominant, therefore, it must "be shown to be thrown". Any dog that is "carrying" for the merle pattern will show the merle pattern, whether they're a single or double merle. Some are very lightly marked, BUT it's highly unlikely that those lightly marked merles could have slipped by throughout the history of the breed. I don't know enough about color/pattern genetics to know for sure whether or not the merle dogs had another breed mixed in a way back, but that's my guess. I'd love to see those dogs, their parents, and their grandparents, at least 5 generations, be DNA profiled to see if they are what the breeders say they are, that's about the only way we'll ever know for sure

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noticed on the first website that you listed, lucky the dog on the right, has one blue eye.

Yes, that's very common in merle dogs. Merling is basically a splotchy pattern, where the affected areas are diluted. Therefore when merle crosses red, it makes it a fawn color, black, a grey color. When it crosses the eyes, it dilutes the pigment in the irises as well, making them blue. Some dogs may have merling across and entire eye, some only have a partially merled eye, which would leave part of it blue, part the "normal" color.

There are also big problems involved with merle x merle breedings. The dog ends up getting hit with the merle pattern twice, so some areas will get a "double dose" of the merle, twice the dilution, which leaves them white, completely lacking pigmentation. These double merle dogs often have horrible health problems, deafness, blindness, missing/small/misshapen eyes, underdeveloped internal organs, immune deficiencies... and I've already seen several websites bragging about their upcoming "special" double bred merle breeding (the second kennel I gave a link for was advertising one last year). With all the BYBs out there milling pups, I only hope that merle doesn't catch on, or I have the feeling shelters will be seeing a lot of sickly double merle pit bulls.

BTW, benny boy, didn't mean to imply that Catahoula x APBT mixes wouldn't be good dogs, actually from what I've heard, they're excellent hog dogs, and fairly popular in the southeast.

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benny boy
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posted 11-21-2003 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
naw goob, it's cool, i didn't take it that way at all. i was just trying to make conversation, the dog i had was a nightmare. so anything you have negative to say about the mix won't offend me lol. he peed on my couches and ripped up my carpet. got ahold of a pen on the carpet and made some pretty designs . so now he lives in the country with my parents, OUTSIDE.

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BandOfGypsysKennels
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posted 11-26-2003 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BandOfGypsysKennels     Edit/Delete Message
A merle pit bull is an accepted color but I'm very positive as well as my vet that 99% of these merles are mixed. Just ask the person you wish to purchase the pup from for a DNA test a couple of generations back(which is very inexpensive) and watch them run with their tails tucked!!! I did!!!

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posted 11-26-2003 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neek     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, the merle colour might be accepted but I was looking at website of conformation on pitbulls (somewhere on this board) that said blue eyes, different colour eyes of blue and geeen/brown is considered a MAJOR fault in pitbulls, now if a merle is commonly known to have blue eye/s than it would be faulty.

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posted 11-26-2003 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
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Ok, the merle colour might be accepted but I was looking at website of conformation on pitbulls (somewhere on this board) that said blue eyes, different colour eyes of blue and geeen/brown is considered a MAJOR fault in pitbulls, now if a merle is commonly known to have blue eye/s than it would be faulty.

Yes, but these breeders do not bother to show their dogs, they usually sell to people only looking for a "cool" dog to parade around.

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ignergehl
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posted 11-29-2003 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ignergehl     Edit/Delete Message
as lovely a color merle is on an aussie,I think its kind of creepy on a pit,ive noticed that in pictures of merle pits Ive seen,the dog itself didnt look right,wether from mixed breeding or being a mutant,I dont know.

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