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benny boy
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posted 11-18-2003 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
hey guys n' gals, does it mean anything if a pup is showing alot of submissive behavior? i found her as a stray so i don't know what kind of history she has had in her young puppy life. when i come home from work she is so excited to see me that she jumps up on me(this is a habit i'm trying to break her of)and i say no get down, i'm not yelling just speaking in a firm manner. then she rolls over on her back with her tail tucked and just stares at me, she does this whenever i correct her. so then i feel bad and rub her belly for a bit, i don't want her to be scared of me, i've never swated her or even yelled at her. and lots of times when i call her she'll crawl over to me. she does this often, and then when she gets over to where i am she'll roll over on her back. is this just her being a goofy puppy or is it another way of being submissive? also i can't get her to play tug o' war with me to save my life. she plays it with our other dog though. as a matter of fact whenever i get down and try to play with her she just crawls up to me and lays on her back or she'll just try to lick my face. she doesn't like to play rough at all like my other pit did. she just wants affection. is there any way i can boost her confidence or make her more bold so that she will play with me?

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neek
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posted 11-18-2003 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neek     Edit/Delete Message
My dog Nellie is exactly the same!! We got her from the animal pound and she has always shown submission towards us. When my boyfriend plays ball with Chief, Nellie will run a mile as she thinks he is aiming to hit her, it is the same with the hose, she is petrified of it but she loves a bath in summertime. Sometimes it's a fine line when playing with her as she thinks its fun but then gets scared all of a sudden and run off. But on another extreme, when we pat her she will try to climb on our laps like a puppy and when we try to push her off she won't budge, or she will try to get straight back up.

I wish I had some advice to give you but I think we both need it so maybe someone will post something that will help both of us.

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goob
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posted 11-18-2003 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Most APBTs are pretty submissive towards people, though maybe not to the extent of your pup, benny boy. Even so, it just sounds like she could use a bit of confidence building, through obedience, play, and good experiences, building small success onto small success, if that makes sense.

I would try to keep the obedience as positive as possible, no harsh corrections as you want to build up, not break down. Start off with simple things she knows, lot of praise to let her know she's doing right, and she'll start to gain confidence in herself.

On playing tug, will she get a toy you toss and bring it back to you? If she will, you have a start there, as at least she's interested in it. I would have someone hold her on leash while you razz the toy around a bit and get her attention on it, making her want it. Then hold it out and say "take it". Hopefully she'll want it bad enough that she'll take it, and you can just let go. Do that for about three days, until she's taking the toy without hesitation, then hold the toy for just a second, long enough for her to (hopefully) pull on it a bit, trying to take it as she's gotten used to doing. Do that more times, but never let her "lose" and let go of the toy, you want her to always get it. As she becomes more sure of herself, you can hold it for slightly longer periods of time before letting her have it, making her "share" with you for longer. The issue here isn't that she's possessive, in fact, it's the exact opposite. She's so submissive that when you grab the toy, she just says "ok, it's all yours. sorry about that, hope you're not mad"... you need her to realize that it's only a game, and that it's ok to "share" with you. Try to be soft and encouraging while you do this, so she won't feel intimidated. She may never be willing to play tug, but this has worked for me a with a few dogs, so might be worth a try.

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she rolls over on her back with her tail tucked and just stares at me, she does this whenever i correct her. so then i feel bad and rub her belly for a bit, i don't want her to be scared of me

I can understand feeling bad for "scaring" her, but your rubbing her belly when she rolls over is basically telling her that you like it when she does that, reinforcing the behavior. If you want her to stop, you'd be better to ignore her until she's relaxed, then tell her calmly to "sit", then praising/belly rubbing. With luck, she'll realize that she gets ignored when she flops on the ground and acts overly submissive, but if she comes up and sits, you give her lots of attention.

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benny boy
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posted 11-19-2003 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benny boy     Edit/Delete Message
cool! thanks goob. i didn't think of it that way when i was rubbing her belly, but it makes sense though. you da man!! and that was some really good advise with the tug o' war thing too. how do you know all this stuff? did you take animal psychcology or what? anyways thanks.

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goob
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posted 11-19-2003 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
No animal psychology here, just a bunch of misfits as pets that have had just about every problem imaginable, so there's been plenty of room for learning . I do plan on aiming towards some sort of animal behavior/training type career, but have to get through the boring classes at school first.

The easiest thing to remember when you're dealing with something your dog does that you want to stop them from doing (especially submissive behaviors, where correction usually only makes them worse) is that dogs will only do what works for them. So, by ignoring unwanted behaviors (it helps though also to provide a "good" behavior, like sitting rather than flopping), you often make the dog stop doing them all on their own accord. The only time this doesn't work is when the thing they're doing is self rewarding, like snarking other dogs, or running off to visit the rest of the neighborhood.

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