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curious unregistered |
posted 11-07-2003 04:20 PM
Are there ways to test a pit other than fighting? and do they allways let it go to death or until one dog quits?...and then what do they do with the quiter? IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member  Posts: 44 |
posted 11-07-2003 11:25 PM
The only real way to test a dogs gameness is to test them with another Pit Bull. They are not fought to the death. A test isnt ment to kill dogs. Its ment to see how game they are. If the dog quits then it does, if it doesn't why would u want to make it die or have the other dog die? Sometimes in matches dogs have died from injuries sustained. I suppose in a few tests dogs have died, but I think that is the neglegence of the owner when they don't pick the dog up and make the test keep going. Sometimes you have seen enough and the dog has taken a lot of inury and you figure it is game there is no need to put it on the very verge of death and then not be able to save it. Curs are culled, the point is to breed game dogs not quiiters. IP: Logged |
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Casey Member Posts: 31 |
posted 11-08-2003 11:51 AM
Why would you fight them!Its just wrong!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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True_Pits Member Posts: 44 |
posted 11-09-2003 05:32 PM
Casey-The poster never said they wanted to fight them, they were asking how you test them and if that was the only way. The reason is to see which is game and should be breed. Its actually kind of right because its what they were bred to do. It would be wrong to say fight 2 poodles or try and train a Pit Bull to retrieve ducks. IP: Logged |
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ignergehl Member Posts: 128 |
posted 11-09-2003 06:07 PM
Im sure this will tick some folks off,but I kinda feel like these folks who so villify dogfighting may own a nice dog that looks like a pit,but they have missed out on a whole amazing aspect of the breed if they have never even seen a dog rolled,and if they are breeding these dogs based on looks and not what makes a pit a pit,it is a shame.Sure dogfighting may sound terrible,but I have witnessed countless fights myself,and have only seen one dog die,because he ran around the pit screaming for his life and was culled.That also may sound awful,but it no different than what is done to hunting and herding dogs that dont perform,for the purity of the breed.Such practices are what create the personality and behavior specific to any purebred dog.The casual pit owners dog owes its intense,smart,people friendly personality so special to the breed from such practices and it is good there are still 'true' pit people out there.If you got your dog from a lineage of pits that havent been fought in several generations,its not a pit at all,its an am-staff,plain and simple.To the growing population of dogfighters who are in it for the glory or the money,who are fighting their dogs with little or no rules,and who are letting their dogs be killed in the ring,and who are taking home the dogs that survive and chaining them up in their dirty backyards and then fighting them the next day,you are the ones giving pits a bad name!Pitbulls have been fought in this country since the 1800's,and have only recently become such an issue.These are the same people who encourage their pits to be man-aggressive,and it is them who should be banned.Dog breeds are a manmade creation,and every fibre of their bodies is about being what function they were created to perform,The pit bull wouldnt even exist without its fighting history.Im not saying yours or even most 'pet' pitbulls should be fought,but that they should come from dogs that do.If dogfighting were stopped today,the pitbull would become unrecognizable from the dogs we have today.Look at the ads for pits that 'are not bred for ANY illegal purposes".These dogs are beautiful to be sure,but they are becoming larger,with a long thigh for the impresseve looking muscle instead of a short thigh for leverage and endurance.Their heads are getting bigger and bigger and I suppose after a few decades will not look like real pits at all.Just look at the irish setter of the show ring who is so tall and short-winded that he couldnt hunt if he wanted to,or the poor english bulldog that is so smooshed he cant even breath,let alone bait bulls.You owe your wonderful house dog to its fighting history,and are not a real 'pitperson' if you condemn it outright,without knowing anything about it! IP: Logged |
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qna unregistered |
posted 11-09-2003 06:39 PM
If you got your dog from a lineage of pits that havent been fought in several generations,its not a pit at all,its an am-staff,plain and simple............I take offense to this blind statement by inger. i have owned several amstaffs that were much more than something pretty to look at! IP: Logged |
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ignergehl Member Posts: 128 |
posted 11-09-2003 08:09 PM
When the AKC decided to register pitbulls it didnt like the term 'pit',and they changed it to american staffordshire terrier,and they began to be bred for looks rather than fighting ability.This alone makes them 2 different breeds,they even look different!Once again,a pit that comes from non-fighting lines could never be called a pit,really,I mean the term 'pit' speaks for itself.Im not saying am-staffs arent great dogs,but if youve got one that is really game,then it probably doesnt mirror the breed standard...What do you mean "they were much more than something to look at"?Did you fight them?Im not talking about a dogs being a good gaurd dog or amazing athelete,Im talking about a dog being game to fight!I wouldnt call a labrador whos lines hadnt been hunted for generations a real retreiver either! IP: Logged |
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desertAPBT Member Posts: 46 |
posted 11-09-2003 09:06 PM
Ign is that short for ignorant??? If the lineage of your dogs has not been fought in many years they are Am staffs? That is a damn dumb statement. I know many people who have dogs from dogmen who are no longer practicing that does not make the dogs Am Staffs. Boy oh boy IP: Logged |
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ignergehl Member Posts: 128 |
posted 11-09-2003 09:19 PM
No theyre not technically am-staffs,but since staffies are pits that have been renamed and are being bred for different reasons(they come from the same original lines)I.E.not for fighting,and there are pits being bred now from non-fighting lines,isnt it sort of the same difference,other than the name?Holygod,I wasnt saying they were PAPERED am-staffs,just that the means and the end were the same! IP: Logged |
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ReDnOzEr New Member  Posts: 5 |
posted 11-09-2003 09:50 PM
True Pit, Ok what is the description of a true American Pit Bull Terrier. And if u or any one can post a pic. Im in kind of a dilema towards the description of one. I recently visited a site of a breeder. He owns a very stalky,muscular big headed Pit. Which he breeds and sells its pups named LOBO maybe some have seen the website. Im curious to know the true physical identity of APBT. That breeder somewhat says that his dog is one of the best representations of the breed. The dog is beautiful so are his mates. Im just curious. IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 353 |
posted 11-09-2003 10:58 PM
Is this the "lobo" dog you're talking about, rednozer? http://muglestonspitbullfarm.com/males/lobo.html If so, that dog is NOT a good representative of the breed, he's sloppily built, overweight, and disproportional. The true APBT should be strong, but athletic (the person who made that site was bragging because his dog can climb a sliding board ladder 10 times, my 10 YR OLD dog can easily do 5 times that without breaking a pant. They should not be so short, stocky, and musclebound that their agilty, wind (how well they breath, which has a lot to do with their endruance), and endurance is compromised. They should also not be so rangy that their strength/agilty is compromised by their height. There are some correctly built APBTs from the past on this page: http://apbtconformation.com/historical_apbt.htm They also have more pages on APBT conformation if you check the rest of the site. [This message has been edited by goob (edited 11-09-2003).] IP: Logged |
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qna unregistered |
posted 11-10-2003 12:56 AM
When the AKC decided to register pitbulls it didnt like the term 'pit',and they changed it to american staffordshire terrier,and they began to be bred for looks rather than fighting ability.This alone makes them 2 different breeds,they even look different....explain how they look so different?...ignergehl there are some very game amstaffs i have personaly witnessed this! IP: Logged |
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qna unregistered |
posted 11-10-2003 12:59 AM
igner to use blanket statements like no amstaffs are game is so wrong! just like some ignorant people say "all pitbulls are will bite people"...blanket statements are very misleading! IP: Logged |
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justice82003 Member Posts: 17 |
posted 11-10-2003 05:49 AM
That Lobo dog is just sick. IP: |
