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eastsydesfynest
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posted 10-06-2003 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for eastsydesfynest     Edit/Delete Message
I soon hope to start my own breeding program and I would like to know any info. on starting out breeding? Also any info. as far as why some inbreed? who can breed with who w/out deformities(ex.mother to son father to daughter ) or any helpful info. Thanxxxx

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goob
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posted 10-06-2003 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Well, first, all the breeding stock should be registered with a reputable registry. There was a list of various registries in another post, but two best known reputable registries are the United Kennel Club and ADBA. Then, the stock should be proven in some sort of work, or in conformation shows. Since APBTs are supposed to be working dogs, they SHOULD be proven in WORKing, like weight pull, or the like, but it's also important that they have correct conformation. All breeding stock should be tested for the following genetic diseases (parenthesis are groups that will analyze and list the results):
Hip Displasia (OFA, PennHIP)- done once, OFA after 2 yrs of age, PennHIP after 14 weeks (I think)
Elbow Dysplasia (OFA)- (done once)
Luxating Patellas (OFA)- (once)
PRA and other eye diseases (CERF)- yearly
Cardiomyopathy(sp?) and other heart diseases (OFA)- I think these are yearly
Thyroid imbalances (OFA)- yearly

In addition to those on the list (and there are probably a few I'm missing), some colors have other health problems associated with them... white dogs should have their hearing tested (BAER)- for breeding stock and you really SHOULD test any white or predominantly white pups before they are placed. Dilute colors (blue, fawn) can have a disease called Color Dilute Alopecia, which causes thin and/or patchy coats in affected dogs.

There are other health problems which are genetic, but either cannot be tested for, or are easily diagnosed without professional tests. Dogs with Allergies should not be bred. Dogs that have or had generalized Demodectic mange as pups should not be bred, as this is a sign of a weak immune system.

In addition to all the health concerns, temperament also needs to be considered. Dogs with shy, nervous, aggressive, overly dominant, or unpredictable temperaments should NOT be bred. All breeding stock should be able to pass either a CGC test or Temperament Test.

Breeding stock should also be checked for doggy STDs before bred. Some of those diseases are fatal to dogs, and can be passed to pups or even to humans handling the pups after whelp.

Here are some links to direct you to more information:

OFA website: http://www.offa.org/

PennHIP website: http://www.vet.upenn.edu/research/centers/pennhip/

CERF website: http://www.vet.purdue.edu/~yshen/cerf.html

Hip dysplasia: http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/medical/medical-info.02.html#HD

More links on HD and Elbow Dysplasia: http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0090.htm

Luxating Patellas: http://www.pawfectchihuahuas.com/LuxatingPatella.html

PRA: http://members.tripod.com/cockerpages/progress.htm

Heart disorders: http://www.cah.com/library/cardiac.html

Thyroid imbalances: http://www.mirage-samoyeds.com/thyroidofa.htm#background

A site that lists genetic disorders by breed: http://www.siriusdog.com/genetic.htm

Info on deafness, white dogs, and BAER testing: http://www.deafdogs.org/faq/

CDA: http://www.italiangreyhound.org/cda.html

Allergies: http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/medical/canine-allergies.html

Demo: http://www.geocities.com/schlosser44/Demodex.html

CGC test site: http://akc.org/love/cgc/index.cfm

TT site: http://atts.org/

Those are just some basic things to do before you breed.

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Jas

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posted 10-06-2003 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
First, I applaud you for wanting to start things out right by taking the time to learn about breeding. Breeding is a huge responsibility definitely not to be taken lightly!

First become involved with your local/national breed club. Then speak with several known reputable breeders and find someone to help mentor you. Usually best to go to someone with many years of experience who breeds to maintain/better the breed. This will also be someone who breeds selectively - not excessively, tests their dogs for genetic diseases and someone involved in conformation/performance sports and one who takes breeding seriously ~~ this should be your goal to become this type of breeder too. Remember you are responsible for the little lives created and a good breeder will stand by their pups for the life of the dog.

The Reality of Breeding: http://www.geocities.com/learntobreed/

This link goes into many aspects of breeding and a good place to begin: http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/medical/whelping.html

Here offers more info about grasping the basic foundation of breeding:
http://www.dachshund-dca.org/articles/Standard_Book_of_Dog_Breed.html

Get your hands on as many resouces as possible. Invest in breeding books as well as books about canine structure, anatomy and prepare your self for all aspects - the good & bad.

Wish you luck!

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goob
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posted 10-06-2003 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
On your question about inbreeding... inbreeding will double up on a lot of traits, which can be good or bad. It will often bring to the surface recessive traits, which would either allow you to continue breeding those traits into the line, or cull the dogs and start over, knowing that there was something in the line that shouldn't be perpetuated. It should NOT however, be done just because "everyone else does it", or because they were the only dogs you had at the time. It should be carefully thought out, and you must be ready to cull (sometimes you can just fix pups with minor defects or faults, sometimes they must be PTS) any dogs that end up with problems, either as pups or as older dogs. Most reputable breeders will only inbreed when a line breeding (breeding within the line, but not within the immediate family) cannot be done, or has been done, but hasn't given the results they wanted. The simple answer as to why some inbreed: they want to emphasize one or several traits of a particular dog, and are willing to take the risk of having to cull out "inferior" pups to get what they want. Inbreeding can bring out the best of a line, or it can bring out worse traits than have EVER appeared in the line. Inbreeding will NOT make your line any stronger, or better, nor will it make your dogs more valuable. What you have is what you have. If you start off with crappy dogs, that's what you'll get out of a breeding, inbreeding or not. It's a gamble, and one that should ONLY be taken by experienced breeders who understand genetics and how traits are passed on.

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Angie
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posted 10-09-2003 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Angie     Edit/Delete Message
Where are you located? email me...
angie_marie_p@hotmail.com

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