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wolf_girl_79 Member Posts: 15 |
posted 08-25-2003 11:19 AM
We are raising 2 pit bull dogs. One is pure Bred (the female), the other one is half. They have been breeding for the past few weeks, and, they have actually locked together on several occasions. What my question is, is how can I tell if she is pregnant? Her nipples are much bigger & she appears to be gaining weight, but, she aslo eats like a horse, so, we're not sure where the weight is comming from. Is there a way to tell without taking her into the vet? Thank you. If you have any answers for me, feel free to e-mail me at wolf_girl_79@yahoo.com, again, thanks IP: Logged |
goob Member Posts: 186 |
posted 08-25-2003 02:46 PM
First, if you're raising a "pure bred" pit bull and a "half", than you're not actually "raising two pit bulls dogs"; but a pit bull and a mutt (or a pit bull mix if you wanted to be specific). Second, there is no sure way to tell if she's pregnant without taking her to the vets. If you can't do that much for the dog you ALLOWED to breed with your other (not even of the same breed) dog, then possibly you shouldn't have gotten two dogs of opposite sexes in the first place. In addition to that, because the breedings took place over the course of several weeks (as per your post), there's a good chance that if is pregnant, some pups will have been concieved on different dates from others (also, if she bred with any other dogs during her heat, there may be more than one "daddy" to the pups), which means that some may be born premature (even up to a couple weeks, if what you posted is true), while others will be fully developed. You have landed your dog and any pups she may have into a possibly disasterous situation... the LEAST you can do is take her to the vets and see if she's actually going to have pups. If not, it would be best get her and the male fixed before this happens again. If she is, you (I'm sure you'll be horribly offended by this) may consider having her spayed anyway, and the pups terminated. There are enough pit bulls and pit bul mixes without homes already, no need to make any more. IP: Logged |
wolf_girl_79 Member Posts: 15 |
posted 08-26-2003 08:39 AM
I did not imply that I can't take my dog to the vet, I was just asking if there was a way to tell at home if she was pregnant, so, I wouldn't have to spend money taking a perfectly healthy dog, who just recently had a check-up, to the vet again. And further more, who are you to tell me that I shouldn't have two dogs?!?! I don't recall asking for any opinions. In that same aspect, who are you to tell me that I should have my dogs fixed? Please don't reply to my post if all you have to do is offer your opinions that were never asked for. IP: Logged |
rgyoung777 Member Posts: 32 |
posted 08-26-2003 12:44 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Goo. Why did you let your dogs breed? There are thousands of pit mixes and purebred APBTs that die every day in shelters across America--there are more unwanted pits than homes to take them in and care for them. How did they end up there? Many were from people who just let their dogs breed. In my opinion (and yes, I know you didn't ask for it, but here it is anyway), what you allowed your dogs to do was not very responsible. This is a public message board, and you will receive a variety of responses that you may not have expected. And Goo is right--there is no way to tell for sure that she's pregnant without a vet visit, although it's highly likely that your irresponsible decision to allow your dogs to breed was a success. If you saw them tied on numerous occaisions, it's pretty likely that at least one (if not more than one) of those breedings took. I hope you have responsible homes lined up for those pups (there could be 10-12 new lives for which you will now be responsible). I'm sorry if this offends you, but I truly care about the breed and its future. There are far too many unwanted APBTs and pit mixes out there for people to be adding more by breeding their dogs unscrupulously. I just felt that needed to be said. Ignore it if you want--that's your choice. [This message has been edited by rgyoung777 (edited 08-26-2003).] IP: Logged |
goob Member Posts: 186 |
posted 08-26-2003 12:51 PM
If you though you were pregnant, would you forego going to the doctor's again because you had recently had a check-up and he said you were healthy at the time? I would hope not... There IS no way of being sure whether a dog is going to have pups or not unless you wait through the entire gestation period and a bunch of pups pop out. I already mentioned that in my first post, but since you obviously missed it in all your defensive glory, there it is again. You also either misread or misunderstood my comment on owning two intact dogs of opposite sexes... if a person doesn't have the ability or desire to keep them apart, they shouldn't have them. It's that simple. You have already proven that you lack the responsibility to do so, so the easiest solution would be to have one or both fixed. Here are some links that give more info on exactly what you're gettign yourself and your dogs into... Breeding and Whelping http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/breeding.html Breeding http://www.geocities.com/learntobreed/ Stories of dogs/owners http://www.geocities.com/learntobreed/truestories.html "Virtual breeding" http://www.geocities.com/virtualbreeding/virtualbreeding.html Specific info on breeding pit bulls: http://www.pbrc.net/breeding.html Homeless pit bulls and pit mixes in your state: http://www.pbrc.net/dogpages/north/wisconsin5827.html More: http://www.pbrc.net/dogpages/north/centralwisconsin4764.html More: http://www.pbrc.net/dogpages/north/portage6968.html Still more: http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi Of course I'm sure everything will go absoutely perfectly for your dog and her pups, and of course, they'll all find wonderful homes that will love them faithfully for the rest of their lives, right? IP: Logged |
wolf_girl_79 Member Posts: 15 |
posted 08-26-2003 12:51 PM
I am not going to ignore what you said. I care about this breed of dog, too, I was just asking a simple question. I do not want any opinions, or anyone telling me that I have done something wrong. I was just asking for any helpful advise. All I have gotten so far, is lectures. IP: Logged |
wolf_girl_79 Member Posts: 15 |
posted 08-26-2003 12:53 PM
Please refrain from using derogatory comments on this board. We do have children that read this board. Thank you! [This message has been edited by RottyMommy (edited 08-26-2003).] IP: Logged |
RottyMommy Moderator Posts: 343 |
posted 08-26-2003 04:36 PM
http://www.wonderpuppy.net/breeding.htm http://www.greatpyreneesrescue.net/spay_neuter.htm http://www.petadvantage.net/mypet/rescue/sr4488407/Real_World.html ATTENTION ALL NOVICE POTENTIAL BREEDERS!!!!! SO YOU WANT TO BE A BREEDER? - breeding the female. So you want to breed your female. You know what to expect if everything Your little girl will present you with tiny bundles of joy. She will You and your family will find great joy in watching and playing with these I have listed here a few of the problems of which I myself have personal What if during the breeding............ 1) The stud dog you have chosen is carrying a venereal disease and gives it 2) The stud dog you decided to breed your darling to is not experienced. 3) Your modest girl decides she doesn't want the attentions of this gigolo 4) You leave your dog with the stud owner because the breeding is not going 5) You pay the $250-$1,000 stud fee up front figuring you will make that and 6) You get her bred. Bring her home. She bothers you so you let her out she 7) You get her bred. bring her home . let her out. ( She is still in heat and 8) Or knowing she tied with the neighborhood mutt you decide to terminate >What if during the birth.............. 1) The puppies are too large for the female. She never goes into labor, the 2) The puppies are coming breech and they drown in their own sacks before 3) The first puppy is large and breech. When it starts coming your female 4) A puppy gets stuck. Neither your female nor you can get it out. You have 5) A puppy is coming out breech and dry (the water sack that protects them 6) A dead puppy gets stuck in the birth canal, but your female is well into >what if directly after birth.......... 1) The mother has no idea what to do with a puppy and she drops them out 2) The mother takes one look at the puppies, decides they are disgusting 3) The mother gets too enthusiastic in her removal of the placenta and 4) Or, she pulls on the cords so hard she disembowels the puppies as they 5) What if because of some Hormone deficiency she turns vicious allowing no 6) You notice something protruding from her vagina when you let her out to >What if when you think you are in the clear........... 1) One or more of the puppies inhaled fluid during birth, pneumonia develops 2) what if the mothers milk goes bad. You lose three of your four puppies 3) The puppies develop fading puppy syndrome you lose two. You bottle-feeding or tube feeding the last remaining baby. It begins to choke 4) Your female develops mastitis and her breast ruptures. 5) Your female develops a uterine infection from a retained placenta. Her 6) All the puppies are fine but following the birth the female develops a 7) Mom and pups seem fine, the puppies are four weeks old and are at their 8) Your bitch just whelped a litter of 12 puppies, ALL BOYS. >What if the new homes are not so happy?............ 1) You give a puppy to a friend. Their fence blows down so they tie the puppy 2) You sell a puppy to an acquaintance. The next time you see them you ask 3) You sell a puppy to a friend (you give them a good price and payments). 4) You sell a puppy to a wonderful home. They love her like one of the 5) You give a puppy to your mother. she is thrilled. Two years later the 6) One loving home decides your puppy is untrainable, destructive and wants 7) One loving couple calls you and is very upset because their pup has >The Sale............. 1) You put your ad in the local paper for your pups at the usual price and 2) You get a few more puppy inquiries from people who ask all about health 3) The pups are now 4 months old and getting bigger , eating a lot and their 4) Your neighbors also call the humane society who comes out to inspect the 5) You finally decide to give the rest of the litter away but still have to So you have to ask yourself: Do I feel lucky? Well, do you, "breeder?". ++++++++ Here are some more web-sites that will help to explain what a good breeder BE AWARE AND INFORMED BEFORE YOU BREED A LITTER DPCA, as guardians of the Doberman Pinscher (our Constitution says we must "preserve and protect" our breed), is very concerned about this over-breeding. In 1977 the Doberman was #2 in popularity! DPCA viewed this status with concern and as a result COPE (Committee on Population Explosion) was born. This pamphlet is intended to alert potential buyers and potential breeders of their responsibilities to the Doberman Pinscher. In 1978, 1979 and 1980, approximately 80,000 Dobermans were registered with the American Kennel Club EACH YEAR while the total number of dogs registered in all the rest of the 31 working breeds had been less than 220,000 in these same years. Although the registration of Dobermans is down, we must work harder to insure that the number of homeless, abused and neglected Dobermans, which result from this overbreeding decreases as well. THERE ARE NOT GOOD HOMES FOR ALL OF THESE DOGS - In the past few years many dedicated Doberman fanciers have started rescue operations, taking Dobes from pounds, shelters, other agencies and private individuals into foster homes for later adoption into good homes. There is a steady and growing number of Dobermans rescued each month by clubs with rescue committees. Most Dobes rescued are in poor condition and some have to be euthanized. Starvation, physical abuse and neglect are the major causes of death. Anyone who has seen pictures of these rescued dogs will not soon forget them. Anyone who has taken into their home a starving, lovable and grateful Dobe will never forget. Even allowing for Dobes that are bred commercially and purchased from pet stores, there are still too many Dobermans purchased from breeders that get into the wrong hands. Making the public aware of the conditions within the "puppy mills" and discouraging the purchase of dogs from pet shops is also our responsibility. It would be a salutary experience for anyone planning to breed their Doberman to visit an animal control agency in their area. A walk through the local pound or Humane Society shelter might make them think twice about the wisdom of breeding. ***Ethically, you are responsible for all of the dogs you produce for their entire lifetime.*** THINK OF THE COST - In order to raise a litter of six puppies to the age of three months, giving the dam and puppies the best of care, the minimum cost is approximately:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The average cost would be about $750 per puppy, not including the Caesarian section, and not including many of the problems which can occur in the dam and puppies. Some cost can be deducted for puppies sold before three months of age, but some must be added for those kept longer. Additional costs are not represented here, such as long distance telephone calls and advertising. BEFORE YOU PLAN TO BREED - Animals used for breeding should be free of hereditary defects, brucellosis, heartworms and other parasites. An x-ray should be performed to determine if there is hip dysplasia, and certification furnished by a competent veterinarian radiologist, or preferable, by the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA). Heartworm, brucellosis, VWD and thyroid levels are easily checked with a blood sample, and other internal parasites can be seen in a stool sample. The animal should appear to be in good health, with healthy eyes, ears, coat. In many parts of the country, dogs are kept on a daily heartworm preventative and are checked three or four times a year for internal parasites. (FOR INFORMATION ABOUT OFA OR ANY OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED PROBLEMS, CONTACT YOUR VETERINARIAN, LOCAL CLUB OR DPCA.) Animals used for breeding should have a stable temperament, neither overly shy nor overly aggressive. A Doberman may be "sharp" (which means alert and protective) without being dangerous. Any Doberman used for breeding should be a good representative of the breed as well and should have the proper number of teeth. You should be aware of the genetic defects which can occur in the Doberman and ask for information about the dog you are using. Ask about cardiomyopathy, cervical vertebral instability [CVI] (wobbler's syndrome) , Von Willebrands disease [VWD], and hip dysplasia in the dog's background as well as any defects that may be present in the dog itself. Ask about the colors in the dog's background, and be sure that no white dogs are in the pedigree. White is a disqualification. A COPY OF THE DOBERMAN PINSCHER ILLUSTRATED MAY BE OBTAINED FROM THE DPCA. (The Doberman Pinscher Illustrated is a 40-page illustrated discussion of the Breed Standard.) THE STUD DOG - Stud dog owners should refuse to breed to any female which is markedly inferior, physically or mentally, or one which shows evidence of the defects listed above or has evidence of any of the defects in her pedigree. She must be in very good physical condition as well. The owner of the stud dog should determine before breeding whether the knowledge and facilities of the owner of the female are adequate to raise a litter. Will there be room to keep the litter until the puppies can be sold to good homes? What are the intentions of the breeder? Will he/she keep one or two puppies or is the breeder planning to sell to pet shops, dealers, or the first person who comes along wanting a Dobe puppy? Will the breeder be able to socialize the puppies at the crucial times in their lives? Can he/she afford to raise the litter? THE FEMALE - As the owner of a female, analyze your reasons for wanting to breed... when there is a population explosion. If you want a puppy from your beloved pet, it would be cheaper to buy one that is like her; she will not necessarily reproduce herself. If you want a puppy that is better than the female, it is generally better to buy one so you pretty much know what you are getting. Are you objective enough to decide whether your female is of such high quality that she could contribute to the improvement of the breed if properly bred? Is she healthy and of good temperament? Consider the cost in time, money and energy you will have to expend on a litter. Will you be around to care for this litter properly or do you work full time? If you are determined to breed your female, wait until her third or fourth season (she should be at least two years of age or older), then find a stud dog which is of high quality, with the best of physical and mental attributes. Be sure he is free of hereditary defects; check his teeth and his general health. Study his pedigree and, if possible, see the dog in person and go over him. Learn something about linebreeding, inbreeding and outcrossing. ABOVE ALL, KEEP THE BREED STANDARD FIRMLY IN MIND. SOME ALTERNATIVES TO BREEDING - In light of the excessive population, spaying of females and neutering of males should be seriously considered. A mature female will be a better and happier pet after she is spayed. She will not come into season and chances are that she will live longer. Dogs are subject to many ěfemale troubles" and often an older female is a high risk for an operation which she may have taken in stride a few years earlier. There are two alternatives for males. They can have a vasectomy as young puppies or at any age, which will prevent them from siring puppies but not exclude the desire to mate. Or they can be castrated as mature dogs and live a long and happy life without wanting to leave home whenever a nearby female is in season. (TALK TO YOUR VETERINARIAN ABOUT THESE PROCEDURES.) IF YOU HAVE A LITTER NOW - We urge you to be careful about the buyers of all your puppies. Find out about their experience in dogs and particularly their knowledge about the Doberman Pinscher. Have they ever had a Dobe before? If so, what happened to it? Why do they want one now? Where will they keep their puppy and how will they train and feed it? Have some literature on hand about Dobermans and about dogs in general (such as the AKC pamphlet "Are You a Responsible Dog Owner?" or "The Beginner's Doberman Pinscher" available from the DPCA) which you can give to them. Encourage them to come to you for advice and help. If they buy a puppy, call them in a week or two and find out how the puppy is getting along. If they aren't satisfied with the puppy, find out why. Perhaps you will have another they will like better. Take the first one back and find another owner. Above all, don't lose concern for the puppies once they have left your home. It is far better to rescue your own puppies at an early age then to allow them to go through the difficult and bewildering experience of one home after another or possible neglect and abandonment. A prospective first-time Dobe owner should read and talk with many owners, handlers, and breeders in order to gain a clear understanding of the breed. The Doberman's beauty and intelligence may appeal to many people, but its size and temperament may deter some. Reputable breeders and owners must fully discuss all aspects of the breed with any prospective purchaser. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Editor: Mrs. Judith Fellton, COPE/Rescue Committee Chairman Breeding Your Dog This is a very important topic. There are some valid reasons why you might want to breed your dog, but there are about a hundred why you should not. Some of the common reasons people give for breeding their dogs are: She's so sweet we just want to get a puppy out of her. 1) A large part of what makes your dog so sweet is due to the breeders efforts before you got her. It takes a long time to decide on the proper stud dog to use to complement a bitch (that is, a female dog) so that the puppies will be pretty, smart and sociable. After they are whelped (born) it takes weeks of work to make sure that the pups are healthy, happy and well socialized so that they will be happy in their new homes. And while you only want one puppy out of the litter, some breeds routinely have litters of twelve to fourteen pups. After you take yours, that still leaves a lot of puppies to find homes for and to take care of until you do. 2) While there is no denying that watching a dog whelp is an educational experience, it could easily turn into more of an education than you bargained for. If all goes well and the bitch is very maternal, whelping a litter is easy and you may need to do nothing more than sit back, watch and occasionally change the soiled papers. However, not every bitch is an easy whelper, and may require your assistance to deliver each and every pup. The fear, and pain of whelping a litter has been known to cause even the most placid and even tempered of dogs to panic and growl, snap or even bite their owners when they attempt to assist a delivery. This tends to be more common with pampered pets that have been allowed to gain some degree of dominance within the family "pack". Our experiences have run from the sit back and watch deliveries to bitches that scream and try to run for the hills with every pup. Emergency caesarean sections may occasionally be necessary ( we've had two over the years ) to save the life of not only the pups but of your beloved pet as well. On top of all this, even with experienced breeders, a thirty percent mortality rate is considered reasonable. Along with healthy, squirming pups your children may also see still born pups, deformed pups, partially decomposed pups and pups which die before they are a week old. Some bitches have even been known to eat their young out of fear and panic, any bitch that resorts to this behavior should never be bred again ( even if it is a top prize winner ) as this tendency can be passed on to the young. Whelping a litter also can put the bitch's life in peril from a dozen whelping related diseases. Most of these diseases require that the Bitch be removed from the puppies. This requires that you take care of ALL the puppies needs. This is a job which usually keeps the Bitch occupied twenty four hours a day! If you cannot afford to give the whelps this care, they will die! In short, it can be as much a lesson in death as it is in life. This is the image most people have of what it's like to have a litter of puppies. the pups all nestled up next to Mom nursing happily. But what they don't see or don't think about it what happens after those cute little puppies grow up a bit. Mom takes care of most of the care (feeding/cleaning) for the first couple of weeks. After that it's up to the breeder to feed them and clean up after them. A normal sized litter of active healthy puppies can produce a prodigious amount of waste. Even under the best of circumstances there is noise and odors to contend with. If you aren't prepared to handle them they can easily get overwhelming. 3) If we even suspect that a persons interest in our dogs is monetary, we will not sell it to them in the first place. However, while a good sized litter can occasionally result in some profit, it is a hard way to earn some extra money, and is not something you should rely on. The profit that you do make doesn't begin to offset the many hours of work that went into producing a physically and mentally sound litter. And if something goes wrong, as it often does, it can be a financial disaster. For a rough idea of the costs involved in responsibly breeding a litter of puppies please follow this link. For another site that goes into the costs of breeding please refer to this site. NOTE - Due to the large numbers of dogs and cats that need to be euthanized yearly many types of legislation ( both nationally and locally ) are being enacted that may have long term effects on you as a breeder. One common component is requiring the breeder to be responsible for every dog they breed for its full life time, and take it back if the people they sell it too can no longer keep it, for any reason. Over the years we have on our own taken some back, due to financial setbacks, divorce, allergies, or other family tragedies. We are set up to handle all of the possible problems, including fights, associated with bringing mature adult dogs together, are you? If after reading through this article you are still considering breeding your dog. We'd like to offer some links to articles on what to expect in terms of whelping and care needed in raising a litter. Rec.Pet.Dogs - Breeding, Whelping and Rearing Puppies FAQ Becoming knowledgeable in genetics is also beneficial for both you and the dogs you produce so we'd like to provide links to some articles on genetics and related issues for you to read and consider. This link is for an article that was originally written as part of a series of e-mails to a breed specific e-mail list. Genetics and Health Genetic Drift Achieving Genetic Health For Our Dogs Population Genetics In-breeding In Dalmatians Canine Diversity Project Animal Color Genetics Veterinary Genetics Lab - UC Davis Canine Radiation Hybrid Mapping Project Conservation Genetics Principles Of Genetics Breeding Dogs For The Next Millenium Bearded Collie Health Web Site - Genetics Laboratory of Molecular Medicine and Canine Genetics - MSU Genetics Resources USA Today Article - Aggression Gene Found First Previous 2-3 of 3 Next Last -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Should I Breed My Dog? I want to make some money! My kids should see the wonders of birth and life! I want another dog just like mine! The AKC has just started a "limited registration" program whereby puppies out of such dogs are ineligible for registration. It remains to be seen what the overall impact on AKC dog breeds will be. Other registries have used similar programs with good results. So I should breed when...? Potential Hereditary Problems Medical Checks before Breeding
Temperament
Pedigree Research We'll return the the importance of scrutinizing a pedigree in the genetics section below.
Frequency of Breeding It's important, however, to keep the frequency of breeding low. Even at maximum, you want to allow at least one unbred season between breedings. This allows your bitch to rest and regain her strength. A bitch that whelps too often will produce weaker puppies more likely to die, and the repeated pregnancies are pretty rough on her, too. For dogs, they should definitely have all their certifications necessary. For many breeds this means that they should be over two years old. Since a dog can be bred at any time, unlike bitches, waiting for two years is not a problem, whereas a bitch often has a season just before two years of age and then has to wait until 2.5 or three which sometimes presents problems in trying to time her litters. But this does not apply to a stud dog, so he should definitely have all of his checks and certifications before being bred. Frequency is not generally a problem although some dogs have problems with sperm production if they breed once a day for several days. They need top-quality feeding and care if they are going to be bred often.
Care of the Pregnant or Nursing Bitch There are instances of "mummy puppies" where you have a puppy whose development went awry, but it was not aborted. Instead, it dries and shrivels up, and when born, looks like a mummified puppy, blackened and ready to rot. Overbreeding and inadequate care are usually the causes. It is quite likely that the dam will come down with an infected uterus after such a puppy. "Water puppies" are another type of problem in which the dead puppy appears to have never properly developed a skeleton and appears to be full of gelatin. This seems to be linked to a viral exposure. Other congenital (but not genetic) defects can include: no anus, cleft palates and hare lips. These conditions require corrective surgery or the puppy will die. While the bitch is nursing the puppies, she will require about three times the amount of food she normally eats! It is also common for nursing mothers to go out of coat at this time. Reply Postwhelping Large litters will require supplemental feedings if you want all the puppies to survive. Your bitch may not be able to care for a very large litter. You will need to get the pups rotating on shifts. For the first two weeks you may have to supplement as much as every four hours. Use a good prepared milk-supplement especially formulated for puppies. If you get in a bind you can use a goat-milk reciepe avilable in most books about breeding and whelping pups. You may have to tube feed those pups that will not suckle from a bottle! Are you going to remove the dewclaws or dock a tail? This must be done by 3 days old at the latest! Any later will not heal as nicely or quickly! If you have a purebred litter, you must record the date of birth and all of the pups (including the dead ones) in your record book. Then you will need to fill out and send in your litter registration form. You want to do this as soon as possible, since many registries can take up to 6 weeks to return the forms for individual registration to you (which you will want to give to your puppy buyers later). You will have to keep the whelping box clean. For the first two weeks the bitch will keep the pups pretty clean, but the bedding should be changed twice a day at minimum. Starting week three, the pups start to eliminate some on their own.. then you will need to clean much more often! At four weeks, the pups usually become very active and it this time may require a larger area then the welping box...you will need a large ex-pen or some way of confining them safely. You do have a place to keep them that they are safe in and can't destroy? Puppies at this stage can devastate a room or garage in hours. At week five you will probably want to introduce the pups to weaning food. Usually you will have to mush up the dry puppy food for the pups to be able to eat it. Use warm water and let the food stand in a bowl for about 2 hours. At week six you should vaccination and worm the pups, and have them checked for heartmurmers, hernias, males for testicles (yes you should be able to feel them at 6 weeks!), deafness, and eye problems. You should be socializing now too... And are you going to do any puppy testing for temperaments? At seven weeks you should be calling up those poeple with deposits on your pups and getting your paper work all sorted out. Are your spay/neuter contracts ready? How about pictures of the pups for your clients? And this is just if everything goes perfectly! What happens if one of the pups has a heart murmer, or a hernia? What about a deaf puppy? What if your whole litter gets parvo or distemper? What happens if one of the pups is affected with "swimmer-puppy" syndrome? What about fading-puppy syndrome? What happens if your bitch gets an infection or mastitis? What if she dies? Placing the puppies At eight weeks, you may begin placing those pups that are ready to go to their new homes. Insecure pups may need more time, how are those puppy tests coming? You can't place puppies earlier than 7.5 weeks or so (no matter how much you may want to). Are you prepared to do some legwork to find GOOD homes for them, not just hand them off to the first person who comes by? You are aware that you won't always be able to sell all of your puppies locally, aren't you? What assurances do you have that the puppies will not wind up filling animal shelters, facing death because their parents were thoughtlessly bred? Suppose you wind up keeping more of the litter than you intended to? Suppose some of your puppies are returned? Can you keep the extra puppies?
Considerations for Stud Dogs You must be prepared to board the bitch. The common procedure is for the bitch to be shipped out to stud, so you will need facilities to board bitches in heat. These facilities should be adequate for up to a week of boarding and to prevent any mismating. You might wind up with more than one bitch at a time -- can you board them all safely? You must monitor the mating and be ready to intervene if necessary. Some breeds require intervention (such as Basset Hounds). Not all dogs or bitches understand what to do, especially if it is the first time for one or the other. It can be disastrous if two dogs are left alone to mate. Additionally, if the mating doesn't take, are you prepared to go through the whole thing again the next time the bitch comes into season? Typical contracts call for free repeat breeding in the case two or less puppies occur or the breeding doesn't take. You need to be able to evalate the bitch's pedigree for compatibility with your dog's. Any good points or bad points of the litter are (rightly or not) attributed to the sire, so your dog's reputation is at stake with each litter he sires. You should be reasonably confident that the proposed breeding will result in good puppies. If the owner of the bitch is a novice, are you prepared to assist with advice on whelping and puppy care? These people will expect you to have the answers. Sometimes entire litters of puppies are dumped on the stud dog owner when the bitch's owners can no longer cope with them because they didn't realize what a responsibility caring for a litter involved. Are you ready to take care of and place your dog's offspring if this should happen to you? Are you prepared to deal with cases where you are certain your dog is not the sire of the puppies but the bitch's owner insists that he is? Or if the owner of the bitch insists that you must have allowed a mismating to occur when she was boarded with you? Disputes of this sort can become very ugly very quickly.
Genetics What is outcrossing? If you are dedicated enough, you can eventually continue breeding by outcrossing alone (but don't expect instant or quick results). You should pick dogs that complement eachother well and are similar in general appearance. This is a long hard road to eventually developing a line. Through outcrossing, many health problems can quickly be eliminated (or just as quickly added into your breeding), but usually you do sacrifice some show quality and producibility. You have to remember that dogs that appear totally healthy may be carriers of genetic problems. To find this out, test mating is done to a dog that is affected with the genetic problem (resulting usually in puppies that are both affected and non-affected carriers) or by inbreeding to a related dog that also doesn't show the signs of being affected (usually littermates are used) this will usually result in some puppies free of the problem, some puppies as carriers, and some puppies affected if both dogs carry the problem gene (this is not as accurate as breeding to an affected dog, but you are less likely to have to put all the puppies down). There are variations on outcrossing. A "true" outcross could be a dog that has totally unrelated dogs bred together throughout the pedigree. This is very rare. On the other hand, "linecrossing" is a form of outcrossing where dogs from unrelated lines are bred to produce a new line. The sire and dam are usually very linebred from their prospective lines and the resulting puppies are varied in appreance, some looking like the sire's line and some looking like the dam's line and some looking like mixtures of both lines. How about line breeding? Inbreeding and linebreeding really differ only in degree. Linebreeding is less likely to cause harm than inbreeding. Inbreeding is not for novices. Knowledge of genetics and the breed is required for success. For good results it must be well-planned and breeders must be ready for whatever problems it presents. And inbreeding? Inbreeding doesn't introduce new genes and does not eliminate bad genes that the line already has. It only shifts them around like a rubix cube. This often results in litters with high show potential, if the quality was high to begin with. It shows you what recessives you have lurking in the dogs' backgrounds -- both good and bad. But there are drawbacks. Besides the possibility of bad recessives, inbreeding exclusively will eventually lead to infertility. It's like a xerox machine. After so many copies, you have to renew the ink. The same with dogs, you have to introduce new genes. No reputable breeder will use inbreeding exclusively, and many breeders simply never use it. Usually, you will only find: very experienced breeders, ignorant breeders, and puppy mills making use of this technique. Inbreeding increases the chance that a gene obtained from the sire will match one obtained from the dam, both stemming from the common ancestor(s) on which the individual was inbred. Thus, inbreeding tends to make animals homozygous rather than heterozygous. The inbreeding coefficient measures the resulting increase in homozygousity. All breeds have a given degree of homozygosity the mating of two dogs from the same breed would not produce a recognizable specimen of the breed! Inbreeding increases homozygosity and decrease heterozygosity. So it can duplicate both desirable and harmful alleles, both of which can be unsuspected in the line, and may appear. Inbreeding does NOT create anomalies, it brings present anomalies to the surface. Even when the anomalies are present, inbreeding might not reveal them. However, once revealed, then the breeder can do something about them in the next generations of breeding. An increase in harmful recessives is undesirable but it is not a major drawback if they are identified early. The effect of inbreeding on major polygenic traits is greater. Generally, traits that are highly inherited (ie largely additively controlled) are not adversely affected by inbreeding but, traits under non-additive control, especially those tied to dominance and thus not of high heritability, are often markedly harmed by inbreeding. OK, how do pedigrees figure into this? Examining the pedigrees also lets you know what percent of ancestry the dogs share (since the relationships are often much more complex than simply cousins or aunt/uncle, the degree of common ancestry is often given as a percentage instead) and decide whether or not it's acceptable given your current goals. What are like-to-like matings and compensatory matings? Compensatory Mating: This unlike to unlike mating is used by breeders to correct for a defect in an animal by mating it to another animal that might correct for the defect. The system is basically simple but the breeder must identify faults and virtues and it requires breed knowledge. The pedigrees of both dogs should be examined carfully to try to identify the ways in which the dogs differ and what the expected outcomes could be. A correct dog and not one who errs in the opposite direction is required. That is, if you want to improve structure, look for a dog with correct structure and not an overbuilt dog. This technique often results in only one or two pups with the combination desired. But this is all very vague and complicated!
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RottyMommy Moderator Posts: 343 |
posted 08-26-2003 04:42 PM
Many people think that breeding dogs is easy. However, the reality is quite different. I often have people email me who want to breed, and invariably their bitch has just come into season, and they want to breed without having the skills or the knowledge. At best, this is careless. If your bitch is in season, and you are asking questions now, then do NOT breed her. Wait until you are properly trained and mentored.
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wolf_girl_79 Member Posts: 15 |
posted 08-27-2003 12:09 PM
ok, first of all, i would like to say thank you to rotty mommy for all her advise. second of all, to stop all the lectures & confusion, i will share the entire story of my dogs. we got the pit bull mix when he was just 8 weeks old. he was an only dog. about 4 months ago, a friend of mine got evicted from his house & had no where to take his pure bred pit bull to. i volunteered to take her for a while, until he found another place for her. he has since found another place to live, but, does not want his dog anymore on a full time basis, he just wants to be able to show up once in a while and take her. part of that reasoning is because, my original dog, and her got really attatched. they were friends from day one. it was only about 2 months ago, that they started to breed. i did not breed my dogs on purpose, but, the damage is done on that part, i know there are no other potential fathers, as, we live in the country, and, my dogs are always fenced in. all i was hoping for when posting here was an answer to a very simple question. i have gotten my answer and then some. i was not trying to upset anyone, or ask for anyone to pass judgement on me, i was just reaching out for help. to those who tried, thank you, to those who passed judgement, you've made me think twice about posting again. IP: Logged |
the_maine_pitbull Member Posts: 50 |
posted 09-04-2003 08:33 AM
Wolf girl--- HUn, no one is passing judgement. All that any of us are trying to say is that you are asking for trouble with this litter of pups. You have a mutt and a purebred. No one knows about teither of their histories and the puppies will be WORTHLESS literally because they are mutts. When your female is in heat you should have them separated. I wish you the best of luck. Please post on here. Debates are heated arguements are what bring people to solutions. One person's arguement may be golden advice for another and help others to understand things. No one is lecturing you dear, we are just trying to make a point. I understand that you did not intentionally breed them, however, they should have been separated. Either way, it is done and nothing can be done by now to change that. All I say to you is Good luck and of course, please do a lot of research on this. Please know what to expect. Rotty Mommy gave lots of helpful tips. Be prepared for this. Also, please I beg of you, when you find homes for these dogs, get very, very nosy about it. Screen them like they were taking your child. Home checks, personal references, vet references, emplyer (to make sure they are working and can provide adequate care for the dog) Spay/neuter contact stating they will have the dog altered. I will email you a list of things to look for and a copy of a contract I used before when I got a pregnant lab from a friend. It is too late to change whta is already been done,-- all we can do now is pray for these pups and hope that everything goes alright. And support thyou with all you need help with as well as be here for advice. Also, if you ned any help with anythign that comes along and feel like you are being judged against, you can email me. I also own a Pitbull mix male and female APBT. Both taken from abusive/neglect situations as puppies. Saige (female) has demodecit mange and will be fixed as soon as it clears up (she is four months) and Jekkyl is going to get fixed in a few weeks.. It is just better to alter the dog instead of the breed. And by adding, it is just going to kill the breed. Anyhow, that is not my place. And you never asked for anything but advice. So.. my email address is hafkel@hotmail.com Email me if anythign comes up.. Angie.. IP: Logged |
wolf_girl_79 Member Posts: 15 |
posted 09-04-2003 09:50 AM
thank you for your response. it made me feel much better. since my last post, we learned that my dog is indeed pregnant. she'll have pups by november, they say. i am scared now, i don't want anything to go wrong. we are getting the male dog fixed in a few weeks, to ensure this doesn't happen again. thank you again. IP: Logged |
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