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RottyMommy

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posted 04-28-2003 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy   Click Here to Email RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
I just took in a 3 year old rottweiler. You all know that I have Aby who is 2 and a 14 year old sheltie-lab mix. Daisy the 3 year old is a total sweetheart for the most part but she has been through hell and back and has some issues that I need some advice with.
Ok here is the deal. Daisy lived with a young guy who lived with his parents. He did not socialize her, played rough with her, allowed her to growl and antagonized her to growl. then he decided he was moving out into an apartment so he gave Daisy to a friend of his for a week we dont know what happened there. Then she was given to a great dane rescuer who honestly told me from the start that she doesnt know much of the breed. Daisy was attacked by the Danes on numerous occasions. One incident ended up with her at the emergency vets. She is very frightened of other dogs now if she is in a confined area ie a hallway, doorway. She cannot atleast at this time be crated she freaks out too much. The dane rescuer tried and she totally went nuts. She is used to being in a room that is gated so that is what I have done that is her safe zone. She is kept in the room when I am not home, at night, she is fed in there, and she gets toys or treats in there. She has fear aggression, possessive aggresion, and dominant aggression so because of this I am not sure how to approach training. As far as me and my fiance goes she growls and shows teeth when i grab ahold of her collar and put a leash on her. If she has a toy or finds something on the floor if you try to get it from her she will growl, then show teeth, then snap and bite. SHe hasnt bitten us but has bitten the rescuer who didnt think that she would. As far as Abby is concerned we learned the first night not to leave any toys out that Daisy could be come aggressive with. The toy could be two feet away from her but she will growl at anything that comes near it. She also growls if Abby is getting attention and she wants it but she isnt mean about it it is just her way of saying that she wants some too. She seems to want to play sometimes but I honestly dont think she knows how. She growls when she plays not a mean growl I dont know how to explain it sorry. I have trained dogs with behavior problems before and I am going to get a behaviorist who specializes in rottweilers down her but I need some advice in the meantime. She has fear aggression and dominant aggression so I am not sure how to approach this as far as training is concerned. If I go towards her fear aggression I could end up being stepped on as far ad dominance and if i train towards dominant aggression I could scare her even more. So I need some advice. Anyone who left but still reads some of the posts but doesnt want to respond. you can email me at babygirl1227@comcast.net. SHe really is a sweet dog. Oh one other thing those who give up on dogs and want to say that I should put this dog down dont even bother posting to this cuz that will never happen. She has the potential to be an even wonderful dog and I would never put her down. I dont have kids just furkids and I wont take in anymore fosters until she is settled in this house and if it results in me never being able to foster again than so be it I have saved numerous lives and she is one of them. I could never trust myself to give her to anyone else so she is mine forever. Any advice on how to go about training her would be greatily appreciated.

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posted 04-28-2003 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Has she shown dominance towards people? Or just other dogs? This is what I'd do if I was in your situation (remember that I'm not an expert on this stuff, and I'm also only going off of what you've posted here, without ever actually seeing the dog). First, whenever you are at home, keep a "tab" on her collar. A tab is a short (long enough to grab without getting too close to the dog's face/head, yet short enough that they aren't getting their legs tangled in it or dragging it on the ground) lead that you can just leave on her you're around, so if you need to get ahold of her or correct her for something, you can do so without risking her getting even more upset by your grabbing her collar. Some dogs with dominance issues won't let you grab their collars, but it's also not uncommon for submissive/fearful dogs to do the same, either because of previous abuse/harsh punishments, or because the looming movement is frightening for them. If the tab is still too short for you to be able to use safely, then just use a normal leash, but be prepared to have to untangle her sometimes.

As far as training goes, I'd be fair, yet firm in her training. I'm not sure what type of training you normally use (correction based, positive only, etc), but for a dog that is fearful, you want to be sure to build their confidence by a lot of praise/rewards and successes. However, you don't want to be so easy on her that she starts to take over. So (again, this is without ever meeting the dog), make sure you keep the sessions fun and always end with her being successful, but don't be afraid to correct her if you feel she needs it... just be fair and keep it so she's successful more often than not. If possible, find some sort of fun thing you can do with her, like playing fetch or doing agility (even if it's only a few jumps in a row), anything that she'll like and you can praise her for. Also, many dogs (especially fearful ones) benefit from having some structure to their life, because it makes them feel more secure. Things like sitting at doorways and to be leashed, or when greeting visitors will only help all aspects of her behavior.

About the resource guarding... when she acts that way, have you backed off and let her keep whatever she was guarding? If so, you're actually reinforcing her behavior, because she's learning that growling, snapping, etc works to get rid of you. What I'd do at first is keep all "resources" (food, treats, toys, etc) up so she doesn't have a chance to guard them. If she guards her food, you can try the handfeeding technique. Start working with her on the "drop it" command, starting with no-valuable things and working up to 'valuable" resources. If she gets ahold of a resource, DON'T try to get it unless you are ready to do whatever it takes to not let her win should she not want to give it up. One thing that's worked for me with dogs that want to guard resources if all else fails is to move THEM away from the resource, not try to take it from them (I've done it by either calling them or by putting a leash on them and actually "moving" them, but this won't work if she comes after you for pulling her away, or if she tries to bring the resource with her). A book that I've heard is really good for learning how to deal with resource guarders is "MINE!", I'm not sure who the Posted by is though.
Again, this is only what's worked for me with the dogs I've worked with, so it may not work well for you and your dog

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posted 04-28-2003 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy   Click Here to Email RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
Ok goob the only times she haas growled at me is when I grab her collar to either hold her back or to put a leash on her. I dont know if that is from fear or dominance at this point. She growls at us if she has a toy or something that she has found that she wants. I just got her Saturday afternoone so but Saturday night all the toys were up. She is fine with her food I have taken the bowl away from her while she was eating with no problems at all. She does show signs of trying to dominate us but at this point she is testing the boundaries. Saturday she wouldnt listen to me at all yesterday she was a little better each day is improving some with that so I dont know how dominant she really is at this point. I know alot of her aggression has to do with fear towards certain things. They are both clingy I did have one shadow now I have two. SO I dont know how well the whole leash thing would work. With her being attached to me all the time. That may make things worse between her and Abby since Abby has beena mommy's girl from day one.I am having trouble finding a behaviorist in my area. I just found out the one who helped me with Abby has moved so anyone have any suggestions on how to go about finding a behaviorist in my area? I usually use positive reinforcement to train my dogs since both my dogs and fosters are rescues all that I have had so far need the security of feeling that they have done well. If I even talked in a stern voice to Abby she used to wet herself. She was severely abused when I got her and you would never no that now. I am worried about Daisy. I usually know what approach on training to go but I am afraid if I am stern with her she may snap. But I dont want her to think she can walk all over me. She is definitely a very terrified girl so I think positive reinforcement with some correction based training will probably be my best bet. She needs to feel safe here. As far as her resource guarding all the toys are up so I dont have to deal with the aggression with that right now as she has bitten before because of that it isnt something I am ready to get into yet. When she did guard we did not back down what I did on the two occasions one with a toy the other with a pen she found on the floor I got a treat had her sit and when she dropped the toy for the treat I praised her I then coaxed her out of the room with a treat and again praised her. Then I went and got the toy or pen and put it up before she could get back in and start it all over again. With the growling she does sometimes I think in some cases it is her way of communicating though she is not trying to be mean. I honestly think that she just doesnt know how to communicate with either people or other dogs she was never shown what is exceptable and what is not. ANd if I dont start to get this under control I have a ticking time bomb on my hands. I am taking all the precautions to keep everyone safe. She is not an overly aggressive dog just under certain situations she doesnt make a good choice.So in those incidences if I didnt take the proper precautions things could turn ugly quickly. Thank you goob for your post and if anyone knows how I can find a behaviorist in my area let me know I have already talked to my vet and he doesnt know.

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posted 04-28-2003 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
A tab isn't a leash that you have connected to you, but just a short "strap" that stays connected to the dog's collar so you can grab them if you need to without the risk of being bitten by dogs that don't like their collars grabbed/held. Here's a link that shows them http://www.gripleash.com/TrafficLeadsTabs.htm

I can't tell you why she's acting that way about the collar/leash, especially not having seen how she acts. It could be either dominance or fear based, or even a form of redirection (when the dog gets frustrated about something, and takes it out on whatever is near). It sounds like you're doing well in thinking ahead of her and changing what you need to to keep her problems from worsening until you can get help. Remember too that she's still settling in, and she may be a completely different dog once she realizes that this is "home". I'd keep working with her on the "drop it" and "leave it" for the possessive issues, and start doing a little simple obedience with her, as well as using some of the things off the article I sent (a lot of the things are very simple, and she should pick up on them quickly, giving you a chance to praise her for them and raising her confidence level). To help out with the "shadow"ing and maybe help increase her confidence (Abby's, too ), teach them stay if they don't already know it, and put them both in stays (down/stays or sit/stays, whichever you prefer) while you do some things in the house everyday. You can even have a designated place for them to do so, like a 20x20 piece of carpet. Simply put them in a stay and go off on your business. Come back in every few minutes and praise/treat/reward, then head back out again. Or just leave them a nice juicy bone or chewy to keep them occupied the whole time. This will help with some of the clingy-ness, and they'll become more confident, too. It's also good for when you want some time alone, or when you have company over (you can have the dogs in the same room, but they'll be in a down/stay on "their rugs" until YOU say they can greet the guests. You'll have to start off with short times (maybe 30-60 seconds at a time) and work your way up, and if they won't stay that long, you could also try a "tiedown" which is just a fairly short leash (4-6 ft) anchored to something, so they have to stay in that general area.

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posted 04-29-2003 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy   Click Here to Email RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
Oh the tab thing sounds like a good idea then I will try it if I can find one. As far as the stay thing that is something I am still working on with Abby ony within the last month or so has her separation anxiety gotten to the point that I can work on this more I am up to about 6 steps from her but if I leave the room she follows and we are back to square one. This is something I am still working on though. So it will be a challenge for both of them. Unfortuanately I dont keep them in the same room without my supervision I cant take the chance. I now believe though that almost all of Daisys aggression stems from fears of different kinds though she just seems to not know how to handle herself in some situations. She is getting comfotable enough to start to try to play with my fiance but it isnt a play that I want so we are now seeing the kind of play this young guy did with her and she will definitely need to be retrained on how to play. When you are petting her she will grab your hand real quick not hard but it scared us the first time. Then she will lay down on her back then jump up and do it all over again it isnt a hard bite but you can feel it. And I definitely dont want a rotty that will grab your hand real quick like that. She is relaxing a little bit more everyday and I think once she realizes that Abby isnt going to hurt her she will settle down even more. They are not given any toys or chew toys together it is done in their own rooms. It causes too much aggression on Daisy's part that it is just something that can be avoided so that is what we are doing. I am trying to stay one step ahead of her as much as I can to avoid any major problems. I had to laugh today though cuz she just realized that I have chinchillas downstairs in a 5 ftx4ftx3ft cage. She started growling and barking at them but she kept running away from them which kind of proved to me even more that most of her aggression is based on fear. I mean a 100 pound rotty is afraid of 2 chinchiilas.

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posted 04-29-2003 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
Rottymommy,
Sounds like you are doing a great job.I have to agree with Goob.The tab is a great tool.I have to use it with a couple of rescue pits myself.
The main thing is,you have to let her get to trust you and Abby.I would use correction based and positive correction like you said you were using.I also suggest that you find out the things that she is fearful of(like someone clapping,dogs barking,ect.)and have her slowly confront these fears.She needs to see that those things will not hurt her.
When she trys to dominate you,other dogs,or anything,make her back off and sit.When you think she has sat there long enough give her a treat and lots of praise.She will come around.
When she becomes aggressive over a toy,make her drop it and put it away.Wait about an hour or so and let her have it again.If she does it again take it away.Keep oding this until she realizes that being bad gets the goodies taken away.
If I can help any ore just let me know.

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posted 04-29-2003 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
The mouthing when she starts to play isn't really uncommon in dogs that haven't been taught manners... the new pit bull we have here now is VERY mouthy anytime she gets excited about anything. What I do when I walk in the door (a high excitement time for her) is ignore her until I get to her tug rope, hand her that, tell her to sit, THEN kneel down and pet her. If she drops the rope and starts mouthing me or trying to bowl me over, I grab the tug, stand up, and leave (usually into my room to see Goo). The other day when I came in, she grabbed the rope and brought it over herself, I didn't even have to hand it to her. Basically it's just a matter of finding something she CAN use to release that drive/excitement on, and teaching her to choose that over gnawing on me . Eventually, we should be able to wean her off of the whole toy-in-mouth thing, and just have her sit for being petted, but right now, the temptation is too strong. Also, she may be higher drive than you think, so you need to find some sort of outlet for that, either playing ball, or tug, anything that will let her "unload" and release some of her energy in a safe way. If she doesn't like toys yet, maybe even take her running every day, or something like that. Remember that a tired dog is a happy dog, and you may find that hard exercise every day helps with her other issues, too.

It's definitely a good idea to only have them together when you're right there to supervise, but you could still have them do stays at te same time if you wanted, just in seperate rooms. Or even do it at different times for each dog. If she's getting up to follow you, a tie-down might be a good idea, and if she's introduced to it properly, she shouldn't mind. She also might not be so interested in following you if she's got a really great "treat" there with her Also, you can make a tab, just get a 2 ft long piece of rope, tie a snap (like the ones on regular leashes) onto one end, and tie a knot into the other end. Depending on the type of rope, you may also have to burn the ends where the snap is tied or tape them so it won't come undone.

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posted 04-29-2003 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy   Click Here to Email RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
I have to say Daisy is definitely going to be an experience. I went and got a basketball today. The lady from the dane rescue that had her before me that was the only toy she allowed her dogs to play with together since they cant get ahold of it until they puncture it. Apparently Daisy likes to kick it around the yard which she did. I have a question about geting her to release toys. You guys both said to give it to her and make her drop it. But knowing from the first day we dealt with this she doesnt drop it and even if she has it on the floor but not in her nouth she will growl if you try to get it or even come near it and she will bite if you dont adhere to her warnings. SO how do I go about getting her to allow me to have toys without taking the chance of her winning and me possibly getting bit. I dont have any toys in the house around for her to play with since it causes an aggression with her with everyone. Any ideas? Normally I do just do the drop method I havent had a dog that was aggressive with this on an extensive scale before. So how do I go about correcting this.

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posted 04-29-2003 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
If she has the toy in her mouth,try showing her a treat and tell her to drop it.when she does give her the treat and pick up the toy.If she does not drop it,try getting something else that she likes and destract her with it.If she really wants what you have she will drop it.Be sure to give her plenty of praise.she will catch on to what you want her to do.

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posted 04-29-2003 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
You can either try "trading", in which you give the dog a "low-value" object (like a toy they don't really care for), let them have it for a minute or two, then say "drop it" as you offer a "high-value" object (preferrably one that they can just keep, like a treat or chewy, so you don't have to fight with her to get it back). She should start to understand that giving up her things doesn't necessarily mean that she doesn't get them back. When I was working with the resource guarding lab x down the street, I always kept a long lead on him anytime I played with him or he had a chewy. When it came time for me to take back whatever it was he had, if he didn't 'drop it" when told, I'd grab the leash and start running (he would either drop the thing, or be forced to follow along with the chewy/toy in his mouth). Eventually, he would get tired of holding whatever it was (or too wore out to keep ahold of it anymore), and would drop it, at which point I could call him over and praise him. If I tried to approach him though, he'd immediately grab the toy up and start growling at me again. With me doing this though, he learned after a while that I would get the object no matter what, and that it was a lot easier to just drop it when told than to have to do all that running. This particular dog had/has some serious issues (he had/has absolutely no problems with biting someone if he doesn't "get his way", and has bitten even his owners and their children), and his owners are completely unwilling to do anything about it, so it is different fro myour situation. Again, I have no idea whether something like that would work in your situation. If you can't find a way to get toys/things from her once she has them, then it would be safer for now to just not let her have them at all. You can always use other things to tire her out, like playing "hide and seek" with little pieces of kibble hidden around the house/yard. She won't get all guardy (right?), but will still use up energy looking for them, and will feel more confident about her "sniffer skills" Or do something that doesn't involve toys/food at all, like running or just taking walks (if you use a long lead, she'd even be able to run while you walk).

Here's a few things you might want to check out for behaviorists, too.

I've heard good things about the behaviorist at Penn State University- http://www.vet.upenn.edu/comm/publications/bellwether/49/veterinary_behaviorist.html

And here's a site that lists a couple more (scroll down to PA)- http://www.geocities.com/l_herf/behavior.htm

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posted 04-29-2003 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
Goob,
I liked the way you used the long lead.I never would have thought of that...Hide-n-seek is a great way for dogs to use their energy.Mine love to play "find mommy".Just a different name we use.

Rottymommy,
The first thing with all of this is she has to learn she can trust you and Abby.Once she realizes neither of you are going to hurt her or take any thing away and not give it back,she will be more willing to do as you ask.I believe trust and respect are the 2 most important thing in training a dog.If they do not trust you they will not listen and if they do not respect you they will do what they want to when they want to.I am going to check out a few websites.If I find something to help I will post it here.

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posted 04-29-2003 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy   Click Here to Email RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
Pitbull Princess I totally agree about trust and respect. I am not starting anything with her as far as toys are concerned yet. She is showing that she is trusting me and Abby a little more everyday. And feeling more comfortable around us. I want to gain the trust with her before I start messing with toys. She is starting to listen now which she didnt do hardly at all the first day or so. She sits, lays down , that is as far as I have tried so far as far as seeing what basic commands she knows. Having Daisy around has helped Abby too with the clinginess. Right now Daisy is sleeping on the kitchen floor, Abby is in the hallway sleeping and I am in the computer room typing. Abby wouldnt leave the room before Daisy came.I think Daisy will be easier to get to sit/stay than Abby. Daisy doesnt have separation anxiety like Abby does so leaving the room isnt as big of a deal to her but we will see I havent tried that yet. I dont want to push Daisy as that can lead to a set back and she is getting a little better everyday. Once she reallizes that Abby isnt the type to steal toys or attack she will calm down with her. As far as me as I said she is starting to listen to me, isnt as frightened in certain situations, and is just all around beginning to settle in a little more every day. As far as the toys go that is something I will work on later when I feel comfortable enough that she trusts me more. The collar thing bugs me a little as right now she has a regular collar and 2 choker collars on that I cant get off yet. She had them all on when I got her and she wont let me yet take them off. For now though it lets me know if she moves cuz she jingles like crazy.that hide and seek game sounds like a good idea i will try that later and Goob I will check out those behaviorist websites. I emailed the lady whohelped me before over the phone and asked her if she knows of any behaviorists that deal with rotties in my area. She runs a rottweiler rescue a few hours from me. Her personality comes out a little more everyday. She is definitely a daddy's girl which is a good thing cuz Abby is a mommy's girl.Thanks for the suggestions you dont know how much better I feel just getting some advice from you guys. If you have anymore thoughts keep them coming as of now I dont have a behaviorist so I am working alone for now.

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posted 04-29-2003 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
here is a website you might want to look at.I am so glad to hear that things are improving.I think you are such a wonderful person.Keep up the wonderful job you are doing.

http://www.leerburg.com/index.htm?http://www.leerburg.com/aggresiv.htm~mainFrame

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posted 04-29-2003 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy   Click Here to Email RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
PBP thanks and I will check that site out. I just took Abby and Daisy outside and I tried just running around with them at first but Daisy is overweight and wasnt to into that.LOL. But I found something I can do with them. Fetching tennis balls. Saisy will go retrieve one then lay down with it but after awhile she gets intrigued and wants to catch another one so she let me pick the ball up once and I praised her for it and then threw another one. I am trying to think of ways that I can safely play with both of them to release some of their energy and also get Daisy to loose some weight cuz she is severely on the chunky side and gets overheated quickly. But she ran some today which is good I think once we get some games we can play she will burn off some of the weight fairly quickly since she wasnt able to do any of that for awhile at the dane rescue simply cuz the lady had too many dogs there and it just wasnt safe. Everything went well with the tennisballs I figured I have prolly around 20 of them in a bin so she couldnt hoard them all and she didnt she watched Abby fetch and bring it back and seemed intrigued that if she brought it to me she would be able to fetch again so I think in time that will help her with possessiveness of the other toys if I can get her to bring back the tennis ball eventually. I know in time everything will work out. She is such a great dog just has some issues that definitely need changed. But I have the time, the patience, and the love and that is all she really needs to eventually become a wonderful addition to the community. She already is a wonderful addition to my home. I love her dearly and it really was love at first sight. You can see the potential in her and the willingness to please and learn. She just doesnt know how with some things. But I am glad that I found one thing atleast to burn some energy and mommy doesnt have to run around the yard like a chicken with her head cut off to do it either which is a definite plus.

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posted 04-29-2003 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
That's great that you found something she likes to do and that she's already improving some. Another thing you might want to try to get her weight down is swimming. If you can find a pond or lake (not sure how many of those there are where you live, lol), that would probably be easier to start off with than a river, less to struggle agaisnt without a current. A pool would also work, but not everyone has access to an in-ground pool, and you can't exactly hoist a 100+lb dog in and out of a pool. The reason swimming is so good is that they use a lot of their muscles, etc, without putting much stress on their joints like they would if they were running or hopping all around. Even if you can't get her to actually swim, the water should still support her weight some (as long as it's at least up to her belly or so), and you cold even play catch with her in there. You may also want to have the vet run a blood panel on her to check for thyroid problems next time she's in there, as that can cause excessive weight loss/gain, as well as affect some dogs' temperments.

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My dogs love to go swimming. am very lucky,bcause my boss has a huge inground swimming pool.They let me bring my dogs over during the summer.They love it!.It keeps them in tip-top shape.A tredmill is good for rainy ad cold days.It would be a good thing to look in to.

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posted 04-29-2003 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy   Click Here to Email RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
I thought about the whole swimming idea. Actually the dane rescuer i got her from runs a pool to teach dogs how to swim. Unfortunately she lives 3 hours away but next time I talk to her I am going to see if she knows of any set ups like that around here.I dont trust her in an open area yet and she pulls me around quite easily on a leash. But I think swimming would be a great exercise for her once she starts liking it. So I am going to try to find some sort of dog swim club around here I hope there is something.

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posted 04-29-2003 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Hope you can find something . If not, you could try taking her out on a long lead, that way she doesn't have to be right by you, but still can't wander too far.

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posted 04-30-2003 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy   Click Here to Email RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
I can't find any swiiming pools for dogs around here but haven't done a full investigation for one either.Daisy is settling in slowly and Rob my fiance has been grabbing her collar and pulling her away from stuff she is starting to realize that even if she growls he isnt letting go. We mainly ended up doing this cuz she just rescently realized that there are chinchillas in a big cage downstairs and likes to bark at them. Which is something we have to nip in the butt since chinchillas get stressed quite easily and can fall over from a heart attack. But she is picking up on that fairly quickly. Her and Abby went at it last night it started out with them just chasing each other then led into a fight in a matter of seconds. I broke it up without too much problems and noone was hurt. It may have been just rough housing but either way Daisy isnt ready for that she doesnt know the diffence in play and fighting and I dont want either of them getting hurt. I am still waiting for an email back from the lady who helped me with Abby in the hopes that she can find me a behaviorist near here. But things have been going fairly well here. I am always on alert here to make sure everyone stays safe. Any more ideas or thoughts feel free to add in.

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posted 04-30-2003 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
On the play, rough play can easily turn into a full blown fight, so you may want to completely not allow rough play between the dogs for right now. Once they've gotten used to each other and your rules, you may be able to let them play rough, but I'd stop it for now at least. Everytime they get into a scrap, they get better at it, and are supposedly more likely to do it again (due to the tension set between them), so it's better to try to avoid the first fight completely. You can teach them to play by "your rules" simply by letting them play, then at the first sign they're getting too rough, immediately say "that's enough", and calmly seperate them. Put them both away from each other, and any people for a couple minutes (anywhere from 2-30, depending on the dog, some may get the hint with only a short "time out", others will need longer ones to get the message across to them, so start short and work your way up to what they need), so first, they realize they screwed up (you have to use a "marker word" (like "that's enough" or "too rough") though, or they won't understand what it was they did wrong), and second, they have a chance to calm down and are less likely to just continue the rough play when you let them back out. Eventually they'll get to the point where all you have to do when they start to play too roughly is say "that's enough" (or whatever word you want to use) and they'll tone down their play, because they don't want to be seperated.

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posted 04-30-2003 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy   Click Here to Email RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
I found a behaviorist in my area. I am soooo happy. She is sending me the info and paperwork to fill out about her tonight or tomorrow morning. I am so relieved knowing that I found someone in the area.

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posted 04-30-2003 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
Rottymommy,
I am so happy for you.Good luck and if you need any more ideas...Just ask,we are always here for you and you babies.

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posted 04-30-2003 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy   Click Here to Email RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
Oh and Goob I dont allow any play that could even possibly be rough housing. I only allow things like running around in the yard and stuff like that. I do not allow any type of play that involves them messing with each other. Yesterday started off with them just chasing each other around in the yard and then all of a sudden they were messing with each other. Which I broke up right away and then seperated them. I dont know if they were fighting or just rough housing but either way it isnt exceptable in my house and they will learn that soon enough.

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posted 05-05-2003 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
Rottymommy,
I just wanted to check in on ya and see how you and your babies are doing...I hope things are working out..Keep me posted.

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posted 05-06-2003 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy   Click Here to Email RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
PBP things are going so well. I couldnt ask for much more from any of my girls. Lets see as far as her pulling on the leash she was just testing me the first time. I talked to the dane rescuer i got her from and she told me that she knows how to walk right beside you. So I took her out again and amazingly she does.LOL She actually walks better on a leash thean Abby does. Things are going better with Daisy and Abby they are starting to play more which is good Daisy definitely needs the exercise. I bought them a basketball what a great toy. It is too big for them to grab ahold of so they kick it and head butt it through the yard it is the only thing that they can both play with together. Saisy of course still guards toys if she comes across any but we just dont leave any out. She is really coming out of her shell though and she really is a big baby. She is a daddy's girl though that's for sure. I am stayin away from the behaviorist that I was going to use since before she even knew anything about her she said that a few of her issues would probably never get any better and she doesnt know her, i dont need a trainer that has that kind of negativity and I have already seen improvements so I dont know how she can say that. So I think I am just going to work on everything myself and get her to the point that I can get her in an obedience class I think that will help her with socialization to other dogs. I have seen improvements already on her other minor issues and how she acts with the other dogs. So I think I will work on everything except guarding her toys I will leave that for the professionals to help me with. That is the only thing that I dont think I can do on my own. But she is doing great and really trying to be a good girl. And she really is such a sweety I know she will do just fine here. She is a keeper for life as is any dog I get since I do not feel behavior issues are reasons to put a dog down. There is always progress to be made. Daisy is definitly not a dog everyone can live with but she is one that I can and over time she will get more and more comfortable and her small attitudes will just fade away when she realizes completely that noone or no dog here is going to hurt her. But thanks for asking she really is such a sweety and I am so blessed to have her even though I am sure there are many that if they had her wouldnt say the same. But she is my baby as are my other 2 and I love them all.

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posted 05-07-2003 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
Rottymommy,
As always,it is a pleasure to here about your babies.I am so glad things are going so well.It makes me so happy that she is doing so well.Keep up the wonderful job you are doing.I will always be here if ever you need any help.

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