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Pitbullmom
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posted 04-12-2003 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pitbullmom   Click Here to Email Pitbullmom     Edit/Delete Message
I meant to say I am an owner of pitbulls....lol not people...Sorry

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You said"YES!! Pit bulls are by nature a dangerous dog. They are bred for fighting, and I believe they should all be put to sleep"


The ignorance of the public amazes more and more every day. Did you know, according to dog bite statistics in 2000, that the number one biting dog was a labrador retriever. The dogs that caused the most damage to children were toy breeds, and most of that was facial damage.

I am sorry...but the "solution" is not to destroy a breed that you do not understand or have a respect for. If you truly think that then you might as well line up every dog in the world and kill them all for being potential biters.

Guarding/Sparing breeds are bred to be dog agressive. I think this incendect is simply a tragendy that is based on the ignorance of the dog owners involved. And I am not saying that to be cruel, simply truthful. Any responsible pit bull owner would never let their dogs out of their control.
There are simply some breeds, that if you choose to own them, you cannot let them have the leaway that others can enjoy. They take on a greater responsibility. If you are unable to accept that, then don't buy that breed.

Back in the 1920s, I think, the collie was considered and viewed as an unpredictable biting dog. Gee tell that to lassie
The pit bull is not a dangerous dog, it is the ignorance of the public and those who choose to own them that are dangerous. Do I personally like pit bulls for myself? No, but I will not label a dog because it was bred for a specific temperament and job.

I do feel that these dogs need to be euthinized. They have gone to far, and are obviously owned by some one who does not need to own them. Rehoming them at *this* point is too much of a liability for any rescue group. I do feel that "killing" is also not what they should have the desire to do..under *TODAYS* standards for the breed. Any dog that ruthlessly kill, be it a lab, golden, dalmatian, or a pitt bull, should be euthinized.

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posted 04-12-2003 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Pitbullmom, the point is that pit bulls should not feel threatened by the things some of them are attacking for. Example: Kids teased dog over the fence a couple times, dog got out and hurt kid.... nope, the kid shouldn't have been teasing the dog, but the pit bull should have been stable enough that it could tolerate a little teasing from a kid without attacking them (of course the owner should have been smart enough to not leave their dog outside for kids to tease and the dog to get out). One more thing, "red nose pitts" are no different than American Pit Bull Terriers, they ARE American Pit bull Terriers (well, maybe not APBTs if they don't have papers, but they're still "pit bulls"). The only thing that differentiates(sp?) them from their "black nosed" counterparts is that they have a different color skin pigment, leading to all their skin (including nose and eyerims) being liver/red in color. Same thing with "bluenosed" pit bulls. Sorry to be so picky, but that's something that bothers me, it seems like everyone where I live wants to classify pit bulls by their color, and it irritates me to no end

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jlong
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posted 04-13-2003 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jlong   Click Here to Email jlong     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry to hear about your rott pup.
I dont think that a dog should be put to sleep for attacking another dog. Those things happen all the time with all types of dog not just pits. BUT I also think it is absolutly stupid to think that a pitbull is not a naturally aggresive dog. Dont get me wrong I like a pit. I think they are one of the best lookin animals out there BUT to all you pit lovers out there. You say a pit is aggresive and they are fun and family dogs. WELL HERE YOU GO Fatal Dog Attacks

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News from Pediatrics...
June 28, 1996
Fatal Dog Attacks

ATLANTA & WASHINGTON--Dog bite injuries can lead to serious infections (such as tetanus and rabies), disability, deformity, and occasionally death. Most of these injuries are preventable.

The National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Humane Society of the United States recently updated data on fatal dog bites for the period 1989 to 1994.

In the 6-year study published in the medical journal PEDIATRICS (Vol.97 No. 6, 891-5), Jeffrey J. Sacks, M.D. and associates reported the finding of 109 bite-related fatalities. They found that 57% of the deaths were in children under 10 years of age. 22% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog OFF the owner's property. 18% of the deaths involved a restrained dog ON the owner's property, and 59% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog ON the owner's property.

The researchers also found that 10% of the dog bite attacks involved sleeping infants.

The most commonly reported dog breeds involved were pit bulls (24 deaths), followed by rottweilers (16 deaths), and German shepherds (10 deaths). The Posted bys point out that many breeds, however, are involved in the problem.

If you do not believe me when I say this is true then here http://www.idir.net/~wolf2dog/FatalDogAttacks.htm

But to answer your question no the dogs should not be killed. Dogs are always goin to fight each other. It is there nature to do that it just &!$$@$ me off to see people say pits are great and perfect just because thats what they breed.

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posted 04-13-2003 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Many pit bulls are naturally dog aggressive... they should NEVER be human aggressive.
Nice job quoting those stats... you forgot to mention though that even the CDC states that there is no proof that any one breed of dog is more dangerous than others... it's on the same page as the bites-by-breed (I'd copy it here, but don't have the program to open the list anymore). You also forgot to mention that the stats are derived from information collected from various hospitals, animal control centers, and media sources.... hmmm.... all those sources REEEAALLY know a lot about identifying dog breeds . Or how about how they throw at least five breeds (APBTs, AmStaffs, SBTs, Bull Terriers, ABs, just to name the most common dogs to be labeled "pit bulls"), plus any mixes of those breeds, or dogs that look like they could be mixes of those breeds, into one group and label them "pit bulls"? Your "proof" isn't looking so good now, huh? And if pit bulls are "naturally" aggressive, then how do you explain the hundreds of thousands of pit bulls that aren't (never have been, and won't be) aggressive towards people. If that's how they're supposed to be, then pit bull owners must have a real low success rate And my pit bull IS great AND perfect She's also fixed, no breeding for us...

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posted 04-13-2003 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jlong   Click Here to Email jlong     Edit/Delete Message
Go ahead and defend them just because you own them but you are full of it as a Christmas bird. " they are news reporters so that means they know nothing about dogs"
YEAH RIGHT. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!

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posted 04-13-2003 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Never said that, did I? But I suppose it's not far from the truth... the media loves to capitalize on other peoples' misery, without ever finding any factual information on what they're reporting about.... that's what it's all about I'd defend ANY breed against someone who was spreading their OPINIONS as fact with no credible sources to back it up.

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posted 04-14-2003 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jlong   Click Here to Email jlong     Edit/Delete Message
Who are you to say they had no facts to back it up?? How do you know they didnt??

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posted 04-14-2003 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
jlong,
what is your point? You say you like them then show statistics to prove how other dogs are involved in dog attacks.

The reason the pit bull is causing havoc in society today is because the majority of the public is damn ignorant to the breed and its history.

This is not a dog for everyone and should not be allowed to be bred by back yard breeders.

The majority of people who want to own these dogs get them because the media has portrayed them to be visious and mean; therefore, the majority of people who will want them will be thugs and drug dealers looking to protect their stash or whatever they need protected. The majority of these dogs suffer trumendously.....any breed put in a bad situation is going to be aggressive. Statistics just pove ALL DOGS BITE and which dogs are favoured by drug dealers and made aggressive.

I started working at a shelter to help re home Pit Bulls...let me tell you how awsome these dogs are. They are friendly, loyal, Super Intelligent and wana be loved so badly, but nobody is willing to adopt them because the media has scared everyone silly.
Another thing is that these dogs need to be trained and given rules. Tell me how many dogs you see out there that actually listen to their owners and have been atleast obedience trained...I say I see 1 in every 100 dogs. Not many people take the time to realize how much time and effort a dog takes, especially an intelligent dog that must have it.

It makes me mad, you look at statistics...why don't you go and look at a pit bull instead of some numbers on a sheet that means NOTHING.

Reality is Reality...go and see a pit bull instead of just reading what your fed.

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posted 04-14-2003 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
I am gonna put it like this,You can show me all the statistic you want,they will not change my mind.NO!!!Pitbulls should not be put down if they bite.There is always a reason for a dog to bite.Everyone here should know that Pitbulls are born dog aggressive not human aggressive.If a pitbull shows human agression there is a reason behind it.If it is from being mistreated,teased,starved,or anything else..there is a reason.
A dog is as only as smart as their owner...so there is your main reason for any dog bites.We may not always know why a dog bites,but there is always a reason.
I am not trying to be rude,but NO dog deserves to die for only doing what it knows.
I am sorry if this post pisses off some of you,but that is the way I feel.

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Pittbull princess you are living in a fairy tale world. There is NOT always a reason for why dogs bite. Just as there is NOT always a reason why some one attacks or kills some one else.
Unless you are willing to house, keep, and accept all liabilty for an animal that is a biter, then they need to be euthinized. Giving that animal away is a crime. keeping that animal around can put you in a legal night mare you would not wish on your worst enemy.

ALL dog owners, NO MATTER the breed need to keep their animals under control. Dog owners are loosing their rights every day because of ignorant people and their choices. I am tired of being punished for some one else's stupidity.

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posted 04-14-2003 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
I disagree..There is a reason for everything.There is always a reason why people kill people,even if they are just crazy..that is a reason,or if they are stupid,that is a reason..
You can say all you want that I live in a fairy tale world,but you are wrong..There is always a reason be hide a dog bite.Even if it is just because the dog doesn't like the way you smell or the tone of you voice...I never said that there is always good reasons, but there is a reason.Sorry,I just don't believe in ending an innocent life because the dog bit some one.
I will never believe in killing an animal unless they are very sick or if it is for food.You don't kill just for the fun of it or because it done something wrong.Thats like saying if your dog goes potty on the floor...kill it...(it did something it was not suppost to).
There is no justifying killing an animal for what we consider unexceptible behavior.

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posted 04-14-2003 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jlong   Click Here to Email jlong     Edit/Delete Message
shmoopie

KISS MY A**!!!!!!!!
I LIKE PITS AS MUCH AS THE NEXT GUY I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO SEE BOTH SIDES OF THEM!!!!

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posted 04-15-2003 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
jlong, until you can come up with a credible source to support your "facts", I'll stand by my earlier claim about your opinion

As for my viewpoint on killing dogs that bite... I think it's one of those "have to see the forest for the trees" (I think that's how that saying goes?) things... it's not fair to the breed or the individual dogs to waste resources on a human aggressive dog when there are so many stable, human friendly dogs out there. There is no room in this word for dogs that bite, reason or not. Our rights as dog owners are slowly being legislated away, and dog attacks are just fueling those who are writing the "rules" that will take away my right to own the breed I love. It's even worse in the pit bulls' case, because they aren't SUPPOSED to be that way... they aren't SUPPOSED to bite people, no matter what. And if their owners are responsible enough to let their human aggressive pit bull bite one person, what's to say it won't happen again? Nothing.

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posted 04-16-2003 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
jlong,
So if you love the breed as much as the next guy why are you in here discussing it in the manner you are?If you wanted to discuss both sides of the story and since you have 4 years of college behind you, I would think you could get your point across a little more clearly.

I was not rude to you, can you please calm down and discuss this like an adult....you should have 4 years of college behind you, but the way you write...I THINK NOT

There is no need to be as rude as you are. Nobody has writen back to you and spoken to you in any manner you have. I find you the rudest I have come across yet!

But,please this is a free country and we all have the right to our own opinion so go ahead and express your twisted ways...the real educated people here will help to better educate you.

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