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Posted by Topic subject:   Should a pitbull that attacks be put to sleep?
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posted 01-06-2003 11:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I own a pitbull pup, I rescued him from sure death. I was very worried he may turn out vicious and have gone to great lengths to train and socialise him and got him neutered at an early age. He has been very easy to train as he is keen on pleasing me, as are all pitbulls.

We were out walking and socializing the other day when my staffie was attacked by a golden retriever. This golden has attacked before. My pit did not fight back, but instead returned to me immediately. Had he fought back, he surely would have won and in turn been confiscated and put to sleep, but its not the life I have in mind for him. How is it this known golden offender is allowed to live, while my pup must live with all this hype? All he wants to do is play and snuggle.

Something not addressed in all these posts is the difference between dog aggression and people aggression. Very different.

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posted 01-06-2003 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
HEY PITTIE,

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU WHEN TALKING ABOUT BEING DOG AGGRESSIVE AND PEOPLE AGGRESSIVE.IT IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.MOST PEOPLE DO NOT SEE IT THAT WAY..THE HEAR OR SEE PITBULL AND THEY FREAK OUT...WHAT THEY FELL TO REALLIZE IS PITBULLS ARE VERY LOYAL,KIND,AND WANT TO PLEASE AND PROTECT THEIR MASTER...TO ME, A DOG THAT WANT TO DO THAT IS A GREAT DOG...NO MATTER WHAT KIND IT IS..
I AM SURE YOUR PUPPY IS VERY GREATFUL THAT YOU SAVED HIM FROM A HORRIBLE LIKE..I AM SURE HE WILL BE A FAITHFUL AND LOVING COMPANION FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.YOU BOTH ARE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE FOUND EACH OTHER.

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posted 01-09-2003 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
I WAS JUST LOOKING OVER WHAT EVERYONE HAS POSTED AND I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TO MINI_PONY_GAL....YOU SAID THAT THE OWNERS SHOULD KEEP THESE DOGS LOCKED UP OR MUZZLED.hOW DO YOU THINK DOGS GET VICIOUS ?....
MOST DOGS (NOT JUST PITBULL)BITE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN MISTREATED.HOW ABOUT I LOCK YOU UP AND KEEP YOU MUZZLED.HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THAT?
SO,IF YOU DO NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS BREED YOU NEED TO KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOUR SELF.IF YOU WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO PICK UP A BOOK AND READ ABOUT THIS BREED(AND I DON'T MEAN READ MEDIA HYPE)YOU WILL LEARN SOMETHING.
PITBULL DESERVE TO BE ON THIS EARTH JUST AS MUCH AS HUMANS DO.NO,THEY DESERVE TO BE HERE MORE THAN HUMANS.WE KILL MORE THAN ANYTHING.
YOU NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF BEFORE YOU SAY MUCH ABOUT THIS TOPIC,BECAUSE FROM WHERE I AM STANDING YOU DON'T KNOW S**T!

[This message has been edited by Auspetian (edited 01-09-2003).]

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mini_pony_gal, you really believe that my dog should die just because he's an American Pit Bull Terrier? That is, after all, exactly what you said. I guess my father deserves to be dead. After all, my "pit bull" saved his life one day. If he had been put to sleep according to your savage wishes, my father would be dead right now. How does that make you feel about what you said? Please educate yourself. Statistics prove that American Pit Bull Terriers have better temperaments than almost any other breed.

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I'm very sorry your dog was attacked. Pit bull owners should not let their dogs play with other dogs.

They are genetically predisposed for dog aggression, which, by the way, has nothing to do with human aggression.

My pit bull is sweet and wonderful with all people, and most other animals, but I wouldn't let her play with dogs, because anything (toy, bone, treat) can start a fight. Even if the pit bull does not start the fight, he will surely finish it.

People who own pit bulls and think they only show dog aggression if they "aren't raised right" are being irresponsible and ignorant.

The urge to fight in pit bulls is similiar to the urge to pull in huskies, or the urge to track in Bassetts - and cannot be trained or loved out of them.

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posted 01-23-2003 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pauline     Edit/Delete Message
I've never owned a Pitt. I have neighbors who have 2 brothers, each has a yard of their own across from the other, and they can't stand each other. Yet, they are loving to me when they walk by and interact. I bet close in-breeding has a lot to do with the behavior, as well as of another line that has certain tendencies. I would however be insecure with 2 dogs that have killed a pup, they probably never should have come in contact sporatically as it was, and loose, as they were older, and PECKING order is the thing in any animal herd. An established pecking order from seeing and being with each other on a regular 24/7 basis. It is the heirachy/dominance issue. Lots of things to consider here. Not just one issue I think. And I am sorry for your loss of your little guy....you had no idea really just what would occur. God bless.

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posted 01-24-2003 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
PITTYPAT,
I AGREE WITH ALOT OF THINGS YOU HAVE SAID..EXCEPT ONE THING.I FEEL YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT NOT LETTING PITS PLAY WITH OTHER DOGS..YES,PITS ARE DOG AGGRESSIVE,BUT IF YOUR DOG HAS THE PROPER TRAINNING AND SOCIAL SKILLS THEY ARE LESS LIKLY TO ATTACK.ALL OF MY PITS START THEIR TRAINNING AT 4 WEEKS.I START THEM OFF IN A PUPPY PLAY GROUP SO THEY WILL KNOW HOW TO ENTERACT WITH OTHER DOGS.

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posted 01-30-2003 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
Hi
I am a Pit Bull (APBT) owner and have to say that even though those APBT's attacked your dog..the only one to blame is the person who owns them. This person should know about the breed and understand that your situation was just a matter of time before it took place.

Dogs that attck other dogs should not be put down. These dogs can and do live very happy lives with owners who understand and cope with the dogs "issues".

A dog that attacks humans SHOULD DEFINATLEY be put down.

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posted 01-30-2003 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
I have to disagree with you on that one.About a dog the attacks humans.No dog should be put down for any reason except for illness.There are reasonsable people (like myself) that will take these dogs and give them what they need.There is always a reason why a dog attacks.You may not know the reason but there is always one.

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posted 01-30-2003 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
Well hello pit princess (cute name)

I agree with you that there is always a reason why a dog has an aggression problem wether it's genetics or a un-knowing owner, but I think once a dog shows aggression towards a human, this is not acceptable.

One situation recently here in Vancouver was a 14 year old girl being attacked by 2 rot/mastif cross dogs. These dogs had never shown aggression before but almost killed this poor girl. These dogs were destroyed and even though it is the owners faut, the dogs needed to be destroyed for this girl to recover emotionaly and feel safe in her neighborhood. Aggression in dogs is a very tricky subject and touches and flames up emotions in people, but we have to remember these are just dogs.

I strongly believe that a dog that attacks a person should be destroyed. If you don't I think you need to take a step back and thinks who's more important...the dog? or the human?

I say the human...fur sure.

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posted 01-30-2003 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
I disagree..I have looked at it from all points..My heart does got out to anyone that has been attacked and I do hate that it happens.A dog that attacks can be handled with the right owner and supervision..When it comes to picking humans over dogs..I am for the dogs..We as humans have to stand up for the rights of dog because their are unable to do it themselves.
The truth of it is...I trust dogs over humans...Most (not all) dogs show a sign of aggression before they attack..Humans don't..

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posted 01-31-2003 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
I have to agree with you on that. I don't trust many humans either, but at the same time....attacking a human is not acceptable.
I think if a dog goes to the extent of trying to kill a human...this dog should be destroyed. If a dog nips at a person and created a small wound....this can be dealt with and managed...probably positive enforcement training would work adjust the dog to people.

Aggression is such a tricky thing to deal with in dogs. Some dogs attack out of fear others attack because of domianance and other s attack because of their prey drive. I have an aggressive dog and I take it very seriously. I understand his problem, have studied it, and manage my problem every single day.

A friend of mine had a cockerspaniel female. This dog hated feet....small dog big complex about being stepped on. They owned this dog for 15 years until her aggression became so out of control. They took her to the vet and had every single possible test done to see if it was a medical condition, they took her to a behaviorist...that didn't help...they took the dog to a trainer and tried to do positive enforcment...that didn't work . The end result was the dog attacking it's owner and being put down. In most cases an aggression problem can be managed, but it takes someone with a passion for dogs to take on that task. Most people will look at the problem and say...what...give the dog to someone else, and that is what happens to most aggressive dogs, then put down because nobody is willing to take on such an enormous task.

I don't like aggression but I have done my reaserch and because I live with an aggressive dog I have a passion to "cure" him...even though I know it's a management issue now. I take it very seriously.

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posted 01-31-2003 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with you on everything you said ecept putting down a dog.I respect you very much for taking the time to deal with you dogs aggression.It takes a special person to do that ...Keep up the good work

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posted 01-31-2003 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Pit Princess.

I respect you for taking the time out to help those who don't know any better get a clearer image of the APBT breed.

Cheers

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posted 04-12-2003 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pitbullmom   Click Here to Email Pitbullmom     Edit/Delete Message
I am an owner of people and have een raised with them all my life. They are the most gentle loving animals and you know what I have 6 kids. They lvoe my children and even sleep with them. They stay around my children. Have you read about American Staffordhsire Terriers and see what is said about them and their nature. All pit bulls are loving. I have had red nose pitts and also american pit bull terriers. They have never gave me problems. They watch my kids like hawks. When one of the children is hurt and crying my dogs will run over to check on them..then come and get me. So they are very good with children. Locking dogs up and putting mouth guards all the time, not ;etting them see people is what make them mean. So if you do not know the breed please do not put it down, because all dogs attack especially when they feel threatened.

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