posted 01-03-2003 11:30 PM         

1) Why Pit Bulls are the most favourite breed with drug dealers street gangs etc.
<<**I think you know the answer, I know it too.**>>
2) You’re saying the reason for banning is most likely shady politics.<<**I never said shady politics, I said shady past**>> What about all them people that were KILLED by pit bulls<<**Please tell/show me where these people were killed, I am not aware of it as I don't browse the internet looking for these articles**>>, not just got bitten but
mauled to death by pit bulls…and a good number of people too. Many cases
only recently. Why doe’s the same shady politics don’t point to other breeds like Shepherds, Dobermans, Rottweilers etc. Why only pit bulls?...is it just the name? <<**Do you understand what scapegoat means? It is not scapegoat"S". It is single not plural.**>>
<<**All the other dogs you mention had their turn. Now it is pit bulls, but I am afraid it will be here to stay because the dog is the Great white of dogs**>>
**Princess, this is a statement, not a bashing of the dog**

Russ, I understand your point of view as a pit owner. However...the problem can not
be dissmised by just saying shady politics.<<**I never said shady politics**>> There is much more to it then that.

posted 01-04-2003 01:24 AM           

Russ did you forget you posted that?

Another quote from you same post:
Russ: Most of the other posts in this thread are pure BS, based on their no facts opinion only.

If this is the case and we are so full of BS why do you want to share you FULL FACT OPINIONS WITH US? Please share with us where you get your facts if you dont mind, secondly I cannot see anywhere that albert misquoted you, can you please let me know where that is?

posted 01-04-2003 03:27 AM         

Now I’m really quoting you:
<< Honestly, you think a politician would hire a Professional dog trainer to tell the truth to the public on his
behalf that the pit bull is the best dog out there, when in fact he really wanted the Professional dog trainer to lie
and say that pit bulls are bad and untrainable? LOL, please don't be so easily fooled by such basic politics as that.>>

1)You did not say shady politics but the above statement sure sounds like shady politics to any half brain and his dog.

2)As for your previous statements about some of us here having BS none factual opinions well check out this link.
KILLER PIT BULLS RIP GRANNY TO SHREDS – new York post, Dec 11 2002

Read the article (hope it is still there – might have been archived by now) heres some more BS for you to digest...

Let me guess you are probably going to say that they were not pitbulls and that the media is just picking on the breed and other REAL BS stuff like that . Funny to hear the same mantra being repeated by pit bull owners....lucky we have higher Posted byities to REALLY analyse these issues and pass the appropriate legislation BASED ON FACTS.

Lets all close our eyes and the problem will just go away...pits will continue KILLING people....and we all live happily ever after.

posted 01-04-2003 03:53 AM         

1st of all the quote that you are trying to pin on me was a snip from someone else that I quoted. If you care to take the time to find it, please do, because I never ever said ban pitbulls.

Now it would seem some people are taking this personally.

This is a quote by the way ---><<"If this is the case and we are so full of BS why do you want to share you FULL FACT OPINIONS WITH US? Please share with us where you get your facts if you dont mind, secondly I cannot see anywhere that albert misquoted you, can you please let me know where that is?">>

I get my facts from my experience with this breed. I want to share because I care about the breed, the more you know about this breed the more value/truth your opinions will have.

Albert knows where he misquoted me.
Now thats better Albert, a proper snip and quote.
All politics are by the book right, all decisions made by politicians are the right ones that make our society better. All politicians do it for the community and not for their own pocket books. All politicians keep all their promises that they say and make during their campaign election. No politicians are ever wrong. They are above the law, they make the laws. They can make it legal for 14 year old females to have sex with 55 year old men, they can make it legal for people to shoot heroin as long as they are using clean needles and in a safe shooting house, they can make cigarettes ok to smoke as long as they get 95% tax rake from it. They can do what ever they feel. If it gets them votes or makes them money. Just because the law backs it up doesn't mean it is right.

I said BS before this thread BTW so your timing is a bit off. I am not going to search through to find when and where it is but you know it to be true.

People kill and hurt more. Dogs don't do it for greed, pleasure or lust.
It's a matter of wrong place, wrong time, it's up to the owner of the dog to adjust so that these time frames become minimized or non existant.

Thats my point and has been always. Master neglegence. Not Evil dog.

Heres a quote from Doc, in this thread too <<""its absurb to blame the dog"<-(thats my quote)(this is docs)-> well in some cases that might be true if the owner isnt being responsible.

Peace out,

posted 01-04-2003 04:07 AM         

The two dogs that attacked my puppy were very "sweet" dogs- all of our friends were in complete shock when they found out- It's not just about how they are raised- these dogs were raised well, he has never hit them, always gave them plenty of attention, exercise, food, water, etc- These are just dogs bred for fighting, it is in their genes. This might just be rumor, but one of the things I have since heard is that part of the reason that they attack is that they are bred in such a way that their brains are bigger than their skulls, putting pressure on their brains and causing paranoia which leads to the attacking.
As for why people get pitbulls, I think it is just lack of education- I had no idea that they could turn like this until it happened and I started researching it, I, like my friend who owns them, thought that with a proper home, loving care, and training the dogs would be great dogs- I believe that he got both of them from the shelter when they were small puppies- I know they were not from a breeder-
Unfortunately it is not true that loving owners can make the dog a good dog, I agree that there should be a ban on breeding these dogs.
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posted 01-04-2003 04:24 AM         

The conspiracy theory.

Russ, democracy is like that. Things are being done based on public opinions
(majority of public opinions anyway). If something is being done in a certain way
it is because most voters want it done this way. If a politician is pushing a certain agenda it is because the voters want it pushed etc.

Yes, greed doe’s play a roll in many cases. BUT democracy is like that and it is a proven system that delivers results. Hence, the west when compared to other
non democratic regimes.

Politics has nothing to do with the fact that pit bulls are like sharks out of the water and continue to hit the top chart, listed as a dangerous breed on many council list, ACROSS THE WORLD.

posted 01-04-2003 09:32 PM         

You can continue to be led like a blind sheep, I don't care.

But the amount of scandals that pop up every day and the amount of politicians that resign due to criminal activities, continues to grow.

Money, Power & Politicians corrupt the world.

It is evidence of my statements.

So, back to pits if you don't mind.

Please point out anything I have said that you disagree with, on pits.

I will try to explain in my words, why I believe what I have stated to be tried, tested and true.

posted 01-31-2003 12:42 PM            

Russ...I am backing you up 100%

I own a APBT who hates other dogs. I did all the socialization possible when he was a puppy. I took him every where (still do) and he was great around other dogs until he was attacked. Now any dog that looks at him he wants to kill (training has helped me manage this problem very effectivley). I have been through all kinds of training and continue to read as much as possible on dog aggression. It truly is fasinating and Russ is absolutley correct in the things he said.

I do not know everything, just like the rest of you do not know everything about a APBT. The history of the blood line plays a great role in the type of personality and "problems" your dog will have. One of the best things you can do is research the breed before you commit yourself to it. For example, I would never own a Jack Russell Terrier because they are very hyper and terriers, in general, are know for aggression problems. What is a APBT = American Pit Bull Terrier...thats right Terrier.....dog aggression is definatley a part of their blood line...that is, after all what they were created for...wether it be to catch the rats or to bull bait or to fight other dogs...aggression is what man put in them.

Also, one of you point out in another post that a dog that shows aggression should not be destroyed....well then all the things Russ said were right. understand your dog, understand it's fears and what makes it bite and prevent those situatiosn from happening. It is as simple as that.

One thing that I have noticed is that for defending this breed you guys are comming accross way too aggressivley and not representing the breed very well. Show respect to other and you will recieve the same.

Cheers