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LaurenB
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posted 11-27-2003 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaurenB     Edit/Delete Message
Everytime me or my boyfriend spanks our beagle, she will run from us, and won't come to us when we call her. Will she grow up being afraid of you, or will she finally get why were spanking her??

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*Beautiful*Girl
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posted 11-27-2003 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for *Beautiful*Girl     Edit/Delete Message
I'd say yes, they will grow up and fear you. I've given Teddy and Miette a little swat from time to time but I really try to avoid even that. Because they are dogs it's hard to know what they are thinking, it's not like they can tell you why they misbeahved or if they weren't feeling well and had an accident. Plus you can train your dog without spanking. If you couldn't there wouldn't be any dog trainers. Some of the most well behaved dogs have been trained and were never spanked.

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posted 11-27-2003 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
Why do you need to hit your dog? I'd run away too knowing I was about to be "spanked" and you can bet I wouldn't come when called, knowing the consequences.

What is your dog being punished for? And yes, this could certainly make a dog fearful.

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Karriesue
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posted 11-27-2003 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Karriesue     Edit/Delete Message
Why in the world are you spanking your dog? Yes, of course she is going to fear you. You need to learn some better ways to train her other than hitting her. I suggest getting some dog training books or look up on the internet for the right way to train a pup. Enroll her in puppy classes then when she is old enough, dog obedience courses. Stop hitting the dog. All it does is make her afraid of you and she doesn't learn nothing from it except that you hurt her. Sorry to be so blunt about it but I can't condone hitting a dog especially when there are other ways to train them and get them to understand what you want from them. All they want to do is please you and if you show them what to do, in time, they will do it. Learning the right way to train will be in everyones best interest (you and your dog). She will understand better what is expected of her. Plus, you said your pup is only 8 weeks old. She is still a baby. It takes time to train plus lots of patience. Please think about it.

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cindylou-poo2
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posted 11-27-2003 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cindylou-poo2     Edit/Delete Message
Lauren,
your puppy is 8 weeks old, you just got him home, and your BF is spanking him, and you are wondering why he pees when you go near him, or why he is cowarding away from you, can you blame him???
If I was taken away from my litter mates, and mom to a place where I with strangers and they are hitting me, I would quickly become a nervous rec myself!

I suggest you do get some books, do some research on training puppy's, there is really no need to hit any one. Can you imagine someone telling you that they have been spanking their new baby? I am sorry but that is wrong!

Hope I didn't step out of line, but my heart goes out to your pup.

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nern
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posted 11-27-2003 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nern     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with the other posters. There are plenty of ways to train a dog without hitting them. If this continues the fearful puppy will likely grow up to be a fearful adult.

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Maisey
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posted 11-27-2003 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Hello LaurenB and welcome to the board. I hope by coming here and reading through the many posts and articles available on this one site alone you will find some good solid information on raising a puppy. I have to tell you all the posts above are correct, spanking your puppy will only teach it to fear you. It will refuse to come to you because it is afraid, it may start submissivly peeing on the floor everytime you approach it. 8 weeks old is very much just a baby, I can't think of anything an 8 week old puppy would do that would warrant a spanking or how spanking it would teach it what you DO want it to do. Maybe if you could type out a few things that it has done that it got spanked for I could give you some alternate scenarios on how better to teach your puppy appropriate behavior. You are off to a bad start with your puppy, you have already established some negatives with the pup, I suggest you get on the ball and do some heavy reading about proper potty training and puppy training in general before some major issues develope with your pup. This site is a good source for advice if you are open to it.
Smiles, Maisey

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neek
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posted 11-27-2003 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neek     Edit/Delete Message
I absolutely agree with everyone else.

A fearful puppy can grow into a fear-BITING adult. The consequences of that would be worse than normal as it would be you and your boyfriend's fault if the little guy bit a child, you don't want that to happen do you?

Or she can turn the other way which is pee with fear for the rest of her life and never come near you without shaking. Please have some compassion and help her out before her life is ruined You should have learned how to raise a pup before you got her!!

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annie
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posted 11-28-2003 05:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for annie     Edit/Delete Message
I am OUTRAGED at your post. This is NOT a child/human being who has the reasoning power to understand what it is being *spanked* for for pete's sake. It is a dog, and a very young one at that.

Take the dog to obedience school or, even better, return the dog to where you got it so that it can be brought up in a level headed, loving environment.

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GoodboysBaddogs
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posted 11-28-2003 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
LaurenB,

SOme have been mentioning that your pup is actually only 8 weeks, right?? I agree that your pup is still w a y too young to be taught/corrected in such a physical manner. 8 weeks is like spanking a baby while it's sleeping! It won't understand what your trying to teach her, yet. She's most likely not even adjusted to her new enviroment/home & new family yet. Give her a chance to settle in, be comfortable, before you go on to ANY type of training/correcting.
Yes, she WILL be afraid of you, the same as she is now, v e r y possibly worse.
You'll both have to regain her trust & respect, before she will be able to adjust to trusting you both, pretty much "humans" now. PATIENCE.. PATIENCE.. PATIENCE...
Getting physical w/ a puppy/dog, is something to consider, under the right circumstances, under an educated/knowledgable handler(s). AND, should be considered as somewhat a last resort. BUT, in your situation, it's NOT the way to go about teaching. Again, she's just a baby, please..?
Like i'm sure everyone would recommend, do some reading, and understand how to raise & care for your pup. I'd recommend renting some books from your local public libraries on Beagles. You should have enough information w/in those books to help you get started on the right foot. Not the foot that goes up your dogs a**
If you have 'anymore' Q's, please come back for more opinions... Good-Luck

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charmedagain
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posted 11-28-2003 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmedagain     Edit/Delete Message
I am sorry but there is no need in this world why u should spank your dog no matter what they do.. spanking a dog only makes matters worse and can actually cause aggression in dogs so please do not spank him yes tell him off but hitting any animal is classed as cruelty...

my opinion only

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GoodboysBaddogs
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posted 11-28-2003 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoodboysBaddogs     Edit/Delete Message
You know what, i'm not too sure we all have a 'same' understanding of what "spanking" means. The strength/force/reason of a spank could be different in everybodies opinion.

When someone says SPANK, to me i take it like a little, opened-hand swat to the butt or something, to help get your point across.
When someone says HIT, i almost f e e l what's going on, & i can easily take that as closed-fisted abuse. A "hit" is V E R Y much different from a "slap" or "spank", as you should know. If you don't, your clueless.

I don't know if she said it anywhere else, but i never read the word "hit", only "spanked", & i don't think it's right to get the two mixed-up.

I think some have taken the words she used to describe the actions of the dog, from it running away, & it not comming when called, after the "spanking", not "hit", takes place. Obviously, when a dog acts this way, we can easily connect that with a dog being abused. BUT, she never said hit, & never said that possibly the dog just got frightend from some loud words along w/ the spank(ing). Regardless, again it's NOT the right way of going about raising, anything.

Whatever the cause, harm has been done, and the 8 week young pup is confused & frieghtend. Whatever you and your bf are doing to scare this pup, as i hope you can see/tell, it's not working right. There are better and more appropriate ways of teaching a pup things at such a very young age. And as an adult as well! Understand what an 8 week pup is capable of understanding/learning, before you loose anymore patience and resort to something that will do more bad than good.
I mean, try spanking your bf in the face or head or body, while he's sleeping. The 1st thing he'll say is "why'd you do that"!?! That's pretty much what's going on in your 8 week old pups brain. She does'nt even know if she can trust you yet (and much at all in general), & both of you are easily destroying the chances for a strong, trustfull, loving bond.
Knowledge & Understanding will help the Experiance, ALWAYS.

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Samson
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posted 11-28-2003 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samson     Edit/Delete Message
Well for one thing Just because you spank your dog your not a bad or terrible person so ignore all the criticism. Some people tend to judge a you before they know you.

But to answer your question Yes its true that your dog will perhaps be affraid of you. A freind once told me to use a choke chain. When the dogs does someithng bad pull the chain and lessen the dogs air flow but dont shut it completly off and only do this for a short time. I tried it on my wifes pug and it done great and now I am training my boxer that way and neither one of them are affraid of me or my wife at all after all they think its the collar doin it and not us.

Its your dog trian it the way you wanna train it Im just trying to give some advice.

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posted 11-28-2003 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samson     Edit/Delete Message
Oh yeah and the peein thing that someone mentioned

Puppies do that when they get excited especally at 8 weeks old. Some will do it for quit a while before they ever stop.

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MaydaysMom
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posted 11-28-2003 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MaydaysMom     Edit/Delete Message
Yes some puppies will urinate when they are excited but if the puppy is cowering and urinating at the same time with its ears back than yes it is submissive urination.
Dogs should not be hit, spanked, kneed, kicked. Why would you do something physical if you can correct it with just your voice?
Sometimes all it takes for my dogs is a look.
Definately take him to an obedience class. Definately get some books on training and beagles.
Also try calling the breeder where you got the puppy from. They usually know the breeds very well and can give you alot of usefull information.
I grew up with beagles. My parents used to train them for field and trials.
They are very intelligent dogs and are fabulous family dogs. If you would like to send me your email address I can send it to my mom who might be able to give you some very useful pointers and steer you in the right direction.
Your not a bad person for making a mistake. However if you dont educate yourself for the sake and happiness of the dog who you are responsible for than you arnt being very fair to him are you?

my email is apluspetsitters@sbcglobal.net

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Samson
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posted 11-28-2003 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Samson     Edit/Delete Message
lol Dogs dont understand looks

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Maisey
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posted 11-28-2003 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Samson...sorry to disagree with you, but that is just not true. Dogs do understand a look. Dogs communicate much more subtly then we do. Humans are the ones who are inept at understanding dogs. I also have to disagree with your understanding of the use of a choke chain...and even if that were correct...I don't think cutting off my dogs air flow teaches him much except that he can't breathe. There is a big difference between swatting a 70 pound adult dog on the tush ot get his attention, and spanking an 8 week old puppy. I have a great deal of respect for the person who learns how to train a dog with out ever swatting or spanking. I will admit that every time I have swatted my dog it was apparent to me that it was a result of my own lack of skill. I take that knowlege and work harder at finding a better way to communicate with my dog.

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posted 11-28-2003 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nern     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
lol Dogs dont understand looks

Sure they do. Direct eye contact whether its between 2 dogs or a dog and a human is threatening to the dog.

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posted 11-29-2003 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosie's Mom     Edit/Delete Message
Wow... I'm pretty surprised at all the hostility here towards this poster. I would have thought that people with such passion for their animals would make more of an effort to educate rather than judge or berate ignorance. Educating adults (and LaurenB could be a child for all we know... the point is YOU don't know) requires the same patience and understanding as educating children, especially in a format like this. You have no idea what the back ground of posters are, their age and what limitations they might have. If you're not looking to help educate your fellow board posters then you should seriously look at yourself before you post anything other than a question. Passion is good but use it constructively please.

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kyles101
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posted 11-29-2003 05:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyles101     Edit/Delete Message
sure they need to be educated but dont you think they should educate themselves before they get a pup? it annoys me when people buy animals and have no idea of what to do.

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posted 11-29-2003 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Auspetian     Edit/Delete Message
Rosie's Mom, very well put !

Allow me to reiterate:
If you're not looking to help educate your fellow board posters then you should seriously think twice before you post anything other than a question. We are not here to judge. We are here to learn and educate (or re-educate). Passion is good but use it constructively please.

Thread is getting way off topic.
That’s all folks, It is now closed.

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