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Jamiya Member  Posts: 501 |
posted 11-24-2003 02:40 PM
 
Okay, this should be obvious but I think I invent questions and "what if's" in my sleep. So, I am going to tether Nala to me. I finally found a chain leash so she can't chew through it. I am upset that I have to wear jeans at home (so I have belt loops) rather tham my comfy sweats, but I guess I will live. Let's say I am in the kitchen and I sit down at the table to grab a bite. Do I make her sit or lie still (with or without a bone) or do I let her sniff around under the table? Obviously I don't let her stick her nose in the pantry or table surf. But all I am telling the poor dog is no, no, no. How is this telling her "why" or "why not"? How is this making training "fun" for her? Should I be rewarding her with treats when she is sitting still, or just praise? When I praise her, she looks at me like "Whatever mom. I'm mad at you." So now I am working on the computer. She is nipping at my arms and my leg and pulling on my sweatshirt. Ignore? It hurts. If I tell her no, that is giving her attention. So if she finally settles down - give a treat? Praise? She is still thinking I am no fun at all. I took her outside to potty with the lead on. She was so offended. She does need to play, though, and she is being good right at this instant so I need to go offer her a playtime in the backyard. My idea, not hers of course.
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Jazmyns_daddy Member Posts: 22 |
posted 11-24-2003 03:04 PM
I have a few questions about tethering myself. I just started this practice with jazzy and she seems to like it just fine. content to just hang out with me all day. but if perhaps ones of the moderators on here or someone with information on tethering could post us a link or info i could make sure what im doing is correct. dont want to do the wrong practice while tethering her. i sure would appreciate it. *good luck* steve IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 501 |
posted 11-24-2003 03:07 PM
And will this create a dog who has to be by my feet all the time? So, we are outside playing and Nala goes nuts and starts leaping at me and biting at me. She's just terribly excited and worked up. End the play session? Catch her (somehow) and march her inside and snap the lead back on? Or let her stay outside but no more playing with ME for that session? And now it is time for her to eat. Do I have to stand next to her as she eats, or drop the lead until she is done?
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Jazmyns_daddy Member Posts: 22 |
posted 11-24-2003 03:32 PM
yes these are all the same questions i have been asking myself too. hopefully well find a resource on here. i just know it really comes in handy for the potty training for me and also i can softly tug on the teather while saying come and that is simple practice for her. kind of convienent with her at your side all the time. jazz will take any opportunity to *go* in the house even right in front of me so this way i can keep a better eye on her. steve IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 585 |
posted 11-24-2003 03:33 PM
Jimaya, I think RDM could answer those questions best....but from what I read of her post...the bottom line here is that Nala is to learn to patiently and calmly lay at your feet while you are busy doing other things. The object is to teach her control. I don't think that its wrong for her to sniff around...but any behavior that is wrong..should be corrected NOT IGNORED. If she nips you, do what RDM suggested, take her by the cheeks and say NO NO. Firmly, not mean...just mean business. Do you remember when your kids were toddlers and "No" seemed to be the only word you got to speak all damn day? Not alot of difference here...Nala has been looking for rules and structure, now give it to her. Be very clear about what you want and don't want. This is gonna have to be a little like boot camp here, at this point she has gained alot of undesirable behavior. Boot camp is rarley fun...but you do learn alot. This isn't about being mean..it's about setting clear boundries and being consistent. Remember what RDM said...if she wants attention, give it to her...correct her when she nips you and be serious. I don't think she is mad at you...I think she is trying to sort out what the new rules are in this game you have devised. Be clear with her. The rules are...you play when I say you play and with what I say you play with. I decide when you will eat, go outside to potty and drink/ Make frequent stops at the water bowl for her. Take her out to potty every hour or when she seems like she may need to go. The idea of tethering her is so that she can't get into trouble...and when she does you have immediate access to correct her without having to chase her down. Keep in mind this is not punishment...it's like an immersion program...she is going to learn the new rules and it's a constant consistent thing. I will look for links on tethering and post them as I find them. IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 501 |
posted 11-24-2003 04:15 PM
The other thing that bothers me is, why must the dog be confined to a small radius? It's even more work, because now instead of entertaining herself chewing on bones and wandering from spot to spot, she has to stay near me. She can only play and have an outlet when *I* play with her. So now instead of her spending some spontaneous time tossing a bone up in the air and running after it, I have to make time every hour to take her outside and play with her in addition to her walks. I can practically see the frustration building in her, after she has been confined in a crate all day and she has been saving up energy and now she must pen it all up again. I don't need my dog to lie quietly by my feet until I want to play with her. I just need her to not bite me and not chase the cats. Is this an intermediate step and she regains freedom later? It's like she is in prison. I am reminded of the big cats in the tiny cages at the old zoos (before they all started making habitats more natural), pacing back and forth and back in forth behind the bars.
...I just let her back inside and didn't put the leash on her and she is listening to "Leave It," although the cat is not moving. She's probably trying to avoid going back to prison. IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 585 |
posted 11-24-2003 04:26 PM
Yes Jimaya, this is a step. Remember the point is to learn control. She has to know the rules and have self control. It is work..no doubt, but the reward is a dog who will listen to you, can remain in control of herself and a handler who is respected not bit, nipped and jumped on. The point of her being confined is so that the corrections are immediate and the naughty behavior is a little more limited. She gets away with a whole lot less. IP: Logged |
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honeybear Member Posts: 373 |
posted 11-24-2003 04:48 PM
Jimiya did you see Phillips post today of his pics - he has a 7 mon old aussie, you might try seeing how is going with him and what he does for training Had laugh Maisey at your NO comment - Wehn we first got Jake and did not have a name for him I said thats it. we have name him now because he is going to think his name is NO Honeybear IP: Logged |
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neek Member Posts: 196 |
posted 11-24-2003 05:06 PM
Jamiya, what type of dog is Nala? IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 501 |
posted 11-24-2003 05:19 PM
I just hate seeing the light go out of her eyes.  So, the idea is that after a few days, she realizes she doesn't get anywhere when she tries to chase the cats. So she starts to just ignore them passing by. And when finally the lead is taken off (weeks later? how long?), she still ignores them because she is used to ignoring them? She doesn't think, "I'm free! I can chase cats again! BOOYA!!"? So far, the pattern I have seen with her is that the moment she knows she is not getting a reward or not getting punished, she reverts back to whatever she wants to do. She knows when the leash is on or off. She knows if I have treats handy. She obeys because I force her to or because she gets treats. Take away those incentives and there is no good answer for "why" and "why not." What other answers can I give her? I can see using the tether as a punishment. She doesn't listen to me, so she has to stay on the line for the next hour, or something like that. I don't want to break her spirit. She is a wonderfully animated little dog with a great deal of personality - I just want to be able to have a cat in my lap without being in the middle of a wild animal brawl, and if I doze off on the couch I want to wake up with my nose intact. And how long should the line be anyway? I guess my instincts are wrong on this matter. Maybe the trainer can explain it to me better on Wednesday.
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Jamiya Member Posts: 501 |
posted 11-24-2003 05:22 PM
She is a mixed breed. Something that herds with something stubborn and something that likes to smell things. Perhaps aussie or border collie with beagle, maybe terrier? Here she is (picture taken at least a month ago, maybe longer): She's about 6 months old now, 35 pounds, approximately 18 inches at the shoulder (but hard to tell because she tries to eat the yardstick). A very vigorous chewer.
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neek Member Posts: 196 |
posted 11-24-2003 06:18 PM
She looks like spaniel/kelpie mixed with a couple of different breeds.  . The tan around her face and buttocks are trade marks of the kelpie coupled with the white spotty-like chest and legs of a spaniel, possibly springer although her face is more kelpie looking. That would also account for her hyperactivity as the kelpie is a herding dog and the spaniel is a hunting dog EG duck, mallord hunter. Good luck trying to keep her a house dog! [This message has been edited by neek (edited 11-24-2003).] IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 501 |
posted 11-24-2003 07:41 PM
Gee, thanks for the vote of confidence.  Actually, I think she looks very much like an appenzeller (one of the Swiss mountain breeds) which is also a herding dog. But where the heck would she get appenzeller blood in Kansas?! Look here for appenzellers: And I love this description:
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