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Jas Moderator Posts: 262 |
posted 11-23-2003 10:12 AM
 
Hi again - heave you hear of Suzanne Clothier? I'll make a good book suggestion - She really focuses on enhancing the relationship between dog and owner. As well as communicating effectively and "hearing" so to speak what dogs are telling us. I also like the humor she adds. I recommend this book for any dog owner. I loved it. Her website is one of my fav's. have a read through the articles selection - good articles. She even has and excerpt you can read from her book. http://www.flyingdogpress.com/ IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member  Posts: 585 |
posted 11-23-2003 11:20 AM
THANK YOU JAS!!! I know this message was not meant for me but I followed the link and read a few articles. I will be reading all of them. This is exactly how I feel about interacting with dogs, it's really hard to use the word "punishment" these days in a post or bit of advice, people tend to view it as a negative, bad thing. Their mind immediately goes to cruelty, abuse etc. I myself sometimes feel like a failure when I resort to a swat or harsh consequence. She explains those interactions so clearly. I can see my own mistakes and the things I am doing correctly, I see in what she wrote how using degrees in a message or action translates to the dog. It's like an "AH HA" in my head! Much of what I read so far are things I do already but didn't have a name to attach to it or really understand the why, it just makes sense to me and works with my dog. But explaining that to someone else is rather intimidating when you don't have the language to back it up or defend it intelligently to another person who has been told and read that using anything viewed negative with your dog is wrong or harmful. OK I am rambling...just thank you for the link, it's much appreciated here. Maisey IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 585 |
posted 11-23-2003 12:28 PM
OHHH Jimaya, you have to read her article "Hard to Train", it's a perfect explanation. The last paragraph...THATS WITT! IP: Logged |
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Jas Moderator Posts: 262 |
posted 11-23-2003 04:58 PM
Mais, did you read the article "He Just wants to say Hi"? I always laugh reading her analogy of the "Rude" dog to the strange man sitting on the bench at the mall licking the her neck while groping her.  I can just picture it.My one year old dog is that "rude" dog! She's so baaaaad! Loves to play with other dogs and often when she spots them on a walk at the park charges right up to them. Many do not realize at first she's intending to play. This is something we've been working on (the clicker training has helped!) Her behavior did earn her a nice chunk out of her side from a dog who wasn't tolerating her....somberly she came running back at my side! Now if only I could teach her what "I TOLD you so" means...! Needless to say we are still working on some things around here!!!! Glad you liked the link! I know what you mean, and I like that people like Suzanne, with their alternative to "old school" mentality really put things like training and behavior into perspective! [This message has been edited by Jas (edited 11-23-2003).] IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 585 |
posted 11-23-2003 05:45 PM
Thats hysterical! I always put myself between my dog and another approaching,Ido feel it is my job to keep him from harms way or an impending altercation. I have more than once been told thats foolish...that I should "trust" my dog to protect me. I have gotten rude with people when they say.."my dogs harmless he just wants to say hi". I also tell people very clearly when they approach with their dogs either on leash or off, and they allow their dog to invade not only my space but my dogs, they will want to let the dogs play...I specifically tell them Witt is a puppy, he is pretty bossy and plays ROUGH, I also tell them that if their dog bowls him over he will react and if their dog decides to tell mine that he is being too pushy or rude...it's fine with me. I try to explain this...it often does no good. They will assure me they understand doggie language. Either Witt nails their dog and he is deemed viscious, or their dog nails Witt and they apologize while punishing their dog. It's very hard! One of the things I have been pondering and wondering about is a certain relationship Witt has with a friends dog. We get together for playdates every now and again. Her dog Lady is an Aussie mix and over the top with excitement 99% of the time. Witt totally dominates her, he will play with her but only on his terms, she is about 6 months older than Witt. He loves to go over there and play but I start to worry about how much I am supposed to allow him to be dominate. He will go after her in a big way sometimes. Where I end up pulling him off her. Well not pull him off, all I have to do is lay my hand on his back or withers and he stops at my touch. But this may occur several times in a play session. It has become more often the older he gets. Sometimes he will have her on the ground playing and then he will step back and give her a look, if she starts to get up he growls or just lifts a lip, she lays her head right back down, if she doesn't he will air snap at her, if thats ignored it will go to a "paws on attack" short and sweet so to speak. She always bows down to him. I wonder if it would be better not to allow them to play, maybe a better suited playmate, one less submissive. I have seen Witt be submissive to other dogs, but not often. It's something I have been thinking about it since the last playdate where the occurance of these spats was much more than usual. IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 501 |
posted 11-24-2003 06:21 AM
Thank you so much! I ordered that book and a couple others I saw while on amazaon.com. I did read the "Hard to Train" article. I wish there had been more specifics about what to DO to answer "why" and "why not" for your dog. I noticed that she is in upstate New York. If I don't find my own way to interact with Nala, I may just have to take the family for a trip to visit my grandma and uncle and spend a day on the way with Suzanne Clothier. I am going to meet with the local trainer I found sometime this week - waiting for her to return my call. I am hoping she will give me some solid things that will help with the cat chasing and the nipping. She also has a 3-week board and train and a 5-week board and train option. I bring it up because Nala will be boarded for almost 2 weeks over the holidays (I am already worrying about it) and I figured for an extra week and some extra money, we could get a trained dog back. But she can't work with her over the last week, so we'd need to drop her off a week earlier, making it 4 weeks that she would be gone from us. I just don't know! I would miss her terribly, and I am worried she would be sad or forget us. But if we got back a dog that doesn't chase our cats... The trainer said she works with you when you pick up the dog to transfer the training to the owner and make sure I know how to handle her. She said they have great success with the program. When I meet with her for our lesson this week I will try to honestly assess how much I am going to be able to do myself, and find out exactly what happens when a dog is boarded there.
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Jamiya Member Posts: 501 |
posted 11-24-2003 06:28 AM
Oh, one more thing. This whole issue reminds me of when my kids were babies. I did a lot of things that put me under fire from more "traditional" people. I would not let them cry, I nursed on demand until they weaned themselves, etc. A lot of people told me I was spoiling them, but I listened to the people who told me I was filling their needs and I would end up with independent, well-adjusted kids in the end. What those people told me agreed with what was in my heart, and they were right. Some people would probably read Suzanne Clothier's material and say if you did that, you would be spoiling the dog. But I know she is not advocating letting your dog get away with whatever it wants and controlling you. She specifically says dogs don't like their people to be pushovers. I need to find where the line is. How do you listen to the dog and yet still provide discipline and structure? How do I make obeying me fun and worth it for Nala? And Maisey, I absolutely agree with what you said about putting yourself in between your dog and another approaching dog. Have you read any of Leerburg's stuff? He says that he is the pack leader, and as such it is his responsibility to control the environment for his dogs and keep them safe. They give him respect and obey his commands, and in return he protects them and cares for them. I totally agree.
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