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duckling Member Posts: 21 |
posted 11-11-2003 12:06 AM
Does anyone know where I can look to find maximum recommended daily intake of vitamins/minerals for a 12.6 lb dog? I'm especially concerned about vitamin A. Thanks! IP: Logged |
Maisey Member Posts: 585 |
posted 11-11-2003 10:30 AM
Hi duckling, I tried to find this information last night, to no avail. I looked on the American Veterinary Medical Association's web site... http://www.avma.org/ I couldn't find anything there. I did find this statement on the BOARD ON AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL RESOURCES HOMEPAGE, which makes me wonder if the actual information with amounts is even out there. http://www7.nationalacademies.org/banr/BANR_Cats_and_Dogs.html I was able to find lists of WHAT is required with explanations of what happens when the animal either gets too much of something or not enough, but nowhere did I find actual amounts, or a requirement guideline. I'll keep looking, now I am curious! PS I also tried the web site for Assocation of American Feed Control Officials, thats what you always see on the side of the dog food bag, it says something like "____ is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the A.A.F.C.O. dog food nutrient profile for all life stages." Maybe I missed it on some of these links, see what you find. [This message has been edited by Maisey (edited 11-11-2003).] IP: Logged |
Maisey Member Posts: 585 |
posted 11-11-2003 11:06 AM
Still not finding anything that tells amounts, but I thought I would throw this link out there, I liked it. http://www.gifam.org/m-1nutritionguide.htm#Vitamins IP: Logged |
Maisey Member Posts: 585 |
posted 11-11-2003 11:11 AM
Apparently you can buy a report with this information in it! Geezzz http://dels.nas.edu/banr/petdoor.html http://dels.nas.edu/banr/cd_dog_vit.html [This message has been edited by Maisey (edited 11-11-2003).] IP: Logged |
nern Member Posts: 889 |
posted 11-11-2003 01:57 PM
I have a book called "Canine Nutrition: What Every Owner,Breeder & Trainer Should Know" by Lowell Ackerman D.V.M which has an appendix with the Proposed Optimal Nutrient Allowances for Growing and Adult Dogs 1lb. = .4536kg (12.6 lbs. = 5.71536 kg) Here is what is listed for vitamins for adult dogs(per kg of body weight per day): A 110 IU D 10 IU E 1.1 IU Thiamin 25 mcg Riboflavin 60 mcg Pantothenic Acid 225 mcg Niacin 250 mcg Pyridoxine 25 mcg Folic Acid 4.2 mcg Cobalamin 1.2 mcg Choline 28 mg I.U. = international units IP: Logged |
nern Member Posts: 889 |
posted 11-11-2003 02:15 PM
I also found this site which has the AAFCO nutritent profiles (it lists minimums & maximums): http://petplace.netscape.com/articles/artShow.asp?artID=3425 These amounts are'nt listed for specific weights but they presume an energy density of 3.5 kcal ME/g DM. In other words, a food containing 3500 kcal ME/kg should contain no more than 250,000 I.U. of vitamin A. IP: Logged |
duckling Member Posts: 21 |
posted 11-12-2003 08:17 PM
Thanks so much! I'm going to write down those optimal amounts, and then I'm off to read the info in those links! IP: Logged |
Maisey Member Posts: 585 |
posted 11-12-2003 10:03 PM
Thanks nern =) IP: Logged |
Jas Moderator Posts: 262 |
posted 11-13-2003 10:49 PM
Hi - a lot is going to depend on age, size, sex. Have you checked out this interesting site: Canine Vitamin Advisor http://neuro.vetmed.ufl.edu/Alt_med/Library/Advisor/vitamin.html Why are you concerned about vit A? Deficiency or too much? A lot of vits & mins can be found in many veggies and other food sources too. What is the current diet of your dog? General health? Special issues or concerns? [This message has been edited by Jas (edited 11-13-2003).] IP: Logged |
duckling Member Posts: 21 |
posted 11-14-2003 11:25 AM
I'm more concerned about too much. He's a 12.6 lb dog, almost 12 years old, and moderately active for a senior dog and in great general health (though he has mild spinal disc trouble -- already on a joint supplement with glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM, Vit.C, and a small dose of prednisone for it) He's been diagnosed with inhalant allergies, so I'd like to supplement his diet with something containing fatty acids and hopefully reduce the symptoms (inflamed ears, occasionally itchy feet) He's currently eating Wellness Chicken Adult, but I'm going to try Fish & Sweet Potato because there was apparently a mis-communication, and he was only tested for inhalants + general healthcheck and not food allergies as well. Many of the supplements I've looked at contain Vit.A and D, including the fatty acid supplements, so I'd like to add up food, treats, etc. and see if toxicity is even a remote possibility if I use the product as directed. That vitamin calculator (Thanks!) gave an upper limit for beta-carotene -- I know that the body converts beta-carotene into Vit A, but is there a way to calculate Vit. A from beta-carotene? Is it true that Vit. A toxicity is more likely than with beta-carotene? Thanks! IP: Logged |
Jamiya Member Posts: 501 |
posted 11-14-2003 11:47 AM
Wow! You are doing a great job researching this issue. I wish all dog owners were as concerned (and smart) as you! You should write a book when you have it all figured out.
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Jas Moderator Posts: 262 |
posted 11-14-2003 11:00 PM
Hi Duckling I don't think you have to worry about too much vit A just from supplementing with EFAs. If you were giving a vit A supplement, veggies & fruits, as well as EFAs then you might be concerned with toxicity. Beta-carotene is found in many plants, especially deep colored veggies & fruits and EFAs are also found in dark green veggies. Fish oil is a good source of EFAs but you can also get EFAs from flax seed oil, eggs, nuts, hemp seed oil - so you don't necessarily have to give fish oil. If you're planning to give fish oils I would use at least two kinds (not together but on different days) - salmon or other fish source and then a day or two later cod liver oil. But CLO shouldn't be given in large amounts because of the vit A & D content. "I know that the body converts beta-carotene into Vit A, but is there a way to calculate Vit. A from beta-carotene? Is it true that Vit. A toxicity is more likely than with beta-carotene?" ** Good questions which would be better answered by a holistic vet or a canine nutritionist. I would consult with someone who has studied in that area.
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duckling Member Posts: 21 |
posted 11-17-2003 11:32 PM
Jamiya: I tend to border on the paranoid, especially as he's getting on in years! :P Jas: Thanks for the info, and I'll look into that beta-carotene issue! IP: Logged |
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