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jeminn Member  Posts: 166 |
posted 11-06-2003 08:55 AM
 
I need some suggestions on teaching your dog to rollover. My aussie just isn't getting it. I use treats and put her in a down position and drag the treat on the floor trying to get her to lay on her side to get it and eventually rolling over. She is a little head shy so I do not like physically rolling her over- and want to figure out how to naturally encourage this with a treat. Any suggestions? My 10 year old daughter is doing most of the trick training and has been pretty successful. She has been trying to show her how to rollover by doing it herself, which isn't working either, but is funny to watch. IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 585 |
posted 11-06-2003 09:27 AM
My daughter taught both dogs this trick...she did it in stages. I think what helped is that they already knew how to play dead, so she would do that trick first then hold the treat over their back, about halfway down their body and then move the treat to one side in a swooping motion and say "roll over" at the same time. Break it down into small steps. First teach her to down, then teach her to lay on her side..either just by saying "side" or teaching her to play dead. ( My daughter calls it "BANG BANG")Once she will play dead or lay on her side, work on her holding it. Dooley usually tries to lift his head and she tells him..."all the way dead" or "all the way" he puts his head back down. He also knows the commmand "head down" (goes with "no beg" lol) You will need a release word too..."OK" is ours, but with the play dead trick its "it was only a flesh wound, you're OK". He waits to hear the word OK so because it's at the end of the sentence she can play around with a little acting. She did sometimes move their body over and then say GOOD BOY! Another approach may be to get her used to belly rubs, Witt loves this and he naturally rolls back and forth when it feels good, so you have the opportunity to playfully roll her over saying "roll over" then "good girl!" and a treat. She should start to put it together after a while. Dooley will now roll over again and again just by telling him "again". Keep the sessions short and upbeat or the dog will begin to hate it. It's best to do little steps that they will most likely be successful at because then you can treat and reward verbally and this will encourage them on. Hope this made sense...good luck. IP: Logged |
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jeminn Member Posts: 166 |
posted 11-06-2003 12:27 PM
Hi Maisey- thanks for all the info and yes your approach makes a lot of sense, so I will give it a try. The biggest issue I have with Jules is she is a bit head shy, which I have learned is somewhat normal for herding breeds. I hear that it is possible they are like this because of their inherent nature of avoiding hooves from sheep and cattle. So, when treats are over her head she wants to be on top of them and not submit. I spend a lot of time petting her on her face and putting my hands all over her head and she has come a long way at this point, but she gets pretty focused when I have a treat in my hand, and wants to literally be "on top of it". She is good on a down stay, but does not especially like to lay her head down on the floor. Maybe I need to catch her at naptime, although she perks up so much when she knows I have treats to offer. I'll see what happens- joni [This message has been edited by jeminn (edited 11-06-2003).] IP: Logged |
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Jamiya Member Posts: 501 |
posted 11-06-2003 01:00 PM
I know I read about doing this once, but tricks need to wait until Nala stops the nipping and chasing things. But if I remember correctly, they had you down the dog, and then move the treat towards their tail so they have to crane their necks around to get it. Then you progress to crossing the treat over their body and they roll onto their back to get it. The next step is to use the treat to lure all the way over to the other side and back up into a down. It's the part about moving the treat toward the tail that I thought was unusual, but I tried it and it did indeed make her roll over. I need to teach BANG BANG when Nala is a bit more in control. That would be awesome! It would be cool if she would settle down enough for the kids to be able to teach her tricks.
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Maisey Member Posts: 585 |
posted 11-06-2003 01:11 PM
Joni, when you have her in a down stay, put the treat between your fingers, sort of cupped so that she can't snatch it or get to it, then place your hand on the floor between her front paws and slightly forward. Tell her "head down" in a firm but happy voice. She will put her head on the floor to try and get the treat, it won't be perfect or still because she will be trying to nudge the treat from your fingers, but it's a start, at the point when her head is flatest against the floor and she is the stillest, quickly give her the treat saying "OK, Good girl" Get the word "ok" out BEFORE you actually give the treat, because this is your release word...and you don't want her to ever end a trick or command until you release her. If you are lucky...while teaching this she may roll onto her side while squirming around trying to get the treat...take advantage of that and put a name to it..."good side" or something. You have to be careful though because she may confuse the two commands if you work on them at the same time. Alot of the tricks my dogs know are things that started with something they already did. For instance the same thing I just told you to do to get the head down...can later be turned into another trick, "crawl", just by pulling the treat forward along the floor and saying "crawl". Witt learned this quickly, because he already crawled along the floor trying to get at the treat in my hand while I was teaching him the head down. I noted that it was something he did, kept working on the head down and later came back to it and concentrated on teaching him the word. Both of my dogs are herding bred dogs...neither are head shy, they are very focussed and if I hold a treat over their head they will contort to keep their eye on it, which is, if you can picture in your mind part of how holding the treat over the middle of their body and drawing it out to the side while they are in a down position gets them to roll their body over to get it. It's ok if she picks her head up to follow the treat around, just don't let her body rise off the floor to a standing position...this is so hard to explain in words, LOL. I am constantly in my dogs faces, always touching and petting, fondling ears and brushing fingertips over closed eyes. Maybe since I have always done that with them they are used to my being that way and are comfy with it. Dooley actually comes to me when I am on computer and lays his head in my lap, he likes it when I caress over his eyelids, he closes them and sighs. They are all so different and amazing. IP: Logged |
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Maisey Member Posts: 585 |
posted 11-06-2003 01:14 PM
YES! exactly how Jimaya described it. Jimaya, I actually used teaching tricks to Dooley as a way of teaching him focus...I think it was the little sessions of trick training that taught him some self control. You may be surprised if you give it a try and ask for tiny steps at a time. It one of my favorite things to do with the dogs. IP: Logged |
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