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honeybear
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posted 11-05-2003 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
as most of you know I got Jake (yellow lab) off Innova and tried Royal Canin Select Choice Senior Lamb and Rice. I chose this because he is moderate or less active and because he needs to lose a few # and he is 6 1/2, and he could have more. He ate it really well for 2 weeks, now he turns up his nose. So I do have that stinky duck and potatoe he seems to like but has more calories which he has to eat less. So I will give that a go

A few things - he is still scratching and chewing but not as much (he has been off Innova about 3 weeks, and not in the pool or in the grass)

And then someone said he is too young to be on a senior food. I wonder what is a good age for him to eat Senior

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Jamiya
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posted 11-05-2003 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
I believe with a large dog like a lab, 7 years old is considered senior. I wouldn't think it would be harmful to be on senior food if he is overweight and not very active.

Since you seemed to like the Innova (until it disagreed with Jake) have you tried their other lines that are supposed to be for dogs with digestibility issues or allergies? My understanding is that Healthwise is the next step from Innova and is more digestible, and their California Natural line is the next step after that, for dogs with allergies.

Do you have access to the California Natural foods, or do they have ingredients he is allergic to?


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posted 11-05-2003 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Jimiya, I am limited here, So I dont have access to the other California natural lines They say then can order it, but I dont want to take the chance of him not liking it. This Natural balance duck and potato I bought, looks pretty good for allergies. He would get 31/2 Cup of this, which is 1/2 C more than Innova, but 2C less than the Senior Food You mention digestibility Could this be a reason he wont eat it. Its bizarre he ate for 2 weeks and now turns up his nose.
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posted 11-05-2003 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
I think that since larger dogs tend to have shorter life spans you could consider him a senior dog, although I think he is only about halfway through, sort of middle aged. However even if he were not a senior dog, the food would fit his needs, being lower in calories and protein and allergen free. (if it is indeed allergen free for Jake)
I don't want to push the raw issue on anyone, because I know some have strong feelings about it and it's no fun having anything shoved down your throat... but Darby has been doing so wonderful on this purchased frozen raw food I got. (Natures Variety-Prairie) When I went back for more, I chose two kinds, beef and chicken & turkey, I got the stuff that comes in these little medallions which makes measuring the amount he needs easy. He is only 9 pounds so I give him two medallions in the AM, and one at night. In the evening I take what I need for the next days feeding out of the freezer and put it in a ziplock bag to defrost in the fridge. He loves this stuff! and he has stopped digging at himself completely, no scratching, no runny eyes, no licking. His hair, he quit pulling the hair off the top of his feet and butt and it is growing back in and he is so playful, like he feels good all of a sudden.
I was told that dogs who are allergic to certain things that are in dry kibble, like chicken, aren't always allergic to it raw.
This food is ground so I don't have to worry about bones and since Darby has crappy teeth it's easier for him to chew than kibble. I am going to test his urine PH in the morning to see that it is still where it should be, but at this point I am thrilled with the results and it is so awesome to see him happy instead of miserable and lethargic. Maybe it would work for Jake too.
I am still having a hard time getting the cats to eat it, the male cat likes the beef but only wants to eat once a day. The female was worring me, because I thought she hadn't eaten in like 8 days...come to find her sneaking into the big dogs kibble, so now I have to pick it up right away too. We will see what she does now.

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posted 11-05-2003 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Maisey - A holistic vet here carries the frozen raw meat, could be the same brand. Do you have to supplement their diet with anything else?

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posted 11-05-2003 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Honeybear, No you don't need to feed a supplement, the company makes a supplement but the food alone is all they need.
The protein and fat levels are very low too.
There are other brands available where I get this and I have heard good things about them, but I like the simplicity of this, the handling is so easy, not messy at all and they have good variety for rotation. I like the treats they have too.

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posted 11-05-2003 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
PS I am feeding the cats and my Poodle the medallions...but for a bigger dog you would have to feed 16 a day for a 60 pound dog, so the pattys would be a better choice and just as easy to handle. Where I buy them it was $7 for a 3 lb bag of the medallions and I think it was $15 for the patty's, I don't remember how many were in a bag though. Feeding the raw is not the same at all as feeding the kibble when it comes to amount, you feed so much less of the raw. It doesn't have all those fillers and stuff, just food.

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posted 11-06-2003 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
*blinks*

I never thought about testing the urine pH myself. You'd just need a little dipstick thingy, right?

Although, I am interested in the cats' urine pH and they would be MUCH harder to collect from than a dog. Dogs are easy.


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posted 11-06-2003 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Jimaya, Yes I have to do that with Darby, if anyone knows how to get the cat to go pee in front of you and then let you gather the urine....let me know, cause I certainly can't convince the cat to let me.
This was another thing that I got fumed about with my vet, I asked what I could do to monitor his ph and make sure he wasn't getting the stones again...they said strips but told me to look for them at an art store...they said they didn't have them and didn't know where to get them "maybe an art store". They also said they were going to be expensive. I found them at MY pharmacy for $7.49(100 of them), diabetics use them. Even on the prescription SD Darby has always been closer to 7.0 than the targeted 6.2 - 6.4. So I am very hopeful that this raw diet will make a difference for him. If and when it does...I am paying the vet for an office visit so that I can say LOOK..this is what worked!

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posted 11-06-2003 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
An ART store? For urine dipsticks? What the heck?!

You can get them in the drug department of a grocery store, a drug store, a pharmacy... As you said, diabetics use them. I used them when I did a high-protein diet to determine when I was in ketosis.

I have no idea how to collect urine from a cat, short of a traumatizing catheter.


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