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honeybear
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posted 10-22-2003 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
I was able to get the Natural Balance Duck a potato yesterday at Petco. When I walked in the door, Jake practically ripped the bag out of my hand. I opened up the bag and almost passed out from the most disgusting smell! I threw a handful in Jakes bowl and he wolfed it down. I guess the smell is not a problem for him! I will just have to hold my breath when feeding him! Now I Just to have to wean him off the Innova now. Lets hope this works.

And the antibiotics are working on his lip sores

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Maisey
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posted 10-22-2003 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
*Giggles* Sounds like Jake is a happy and healing dog...now shall I send you a gas mask? LOL.

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honeybear
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posted 10-22-2003 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Please do! A gas mask would be perfect. Now I am vacillating on wether duck formula is right for Jake. Since he is 6 1/2 years old, overweight middle of the road active
maybe he should be on a senior formula, but almost all of them have corn - except Natures recipe does have a Lamb and rice that looks pretty good. I dont think anyone makes a Senior Allergy diet. So what do you do when your dog gets old. Decisions Decisions, I will peruse your other Food for thought post.

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Maisey
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posted 10-22-2003 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Well...if you are thinking you don't want to stick with this one, how about looking at some of the ones below, I really liked the Wellness ones after a quick peruse but I have never used Wellness, it is an Old Mother Hubbard product and I do use their treats.
http://www.omhpet.com/dogs/wellness_detail.asp?pCode=dryDogSup5MixLamb
http://www.omhpet.com/dogs/wellness_detail.asp?pCode=dryDogSup5MixSwtPot
http://www.precisepet.com/dogallergy.asp

I found this interesting, the ingredients are pretty different, worth researching.
Azmira Dog Food http://azmira.com/serv01.htm

I'll keep looking, I tried to look at Wysongs site..funny it says "Wysong, the thinking persons web site" well! they should do some more thinking about how they have it set up! You can't find anything, it's set up incorrect in some places so that the drop down menus don't work, I left it totally frustrated and not knowing anything about their dog food that I wanted to know. BAH!

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Maisey
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posted 10-22-2003 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Something new...check this out. Pinnacle Trout and Sweet Potato http://www.breeders-choice.com/Dog_Products/pinnacle_dog_trout.html

I couldn't find taurine in the ingredients anywhere, my aunt had mentioned to me that this was important but when I looked it up on the ingredient wizard this is what I found, "Taurine is the 11th essential amino acid required by cats.Insufficient levels of taurine can lead to blindness and cardiac problems in cats. Meat is naturally high in taurine, so Natura foods contain high levels of this important nutrient. Natural taurine is also added to our cat foods to ensure cats get enough of this essential amino acid.
Cats vs Dogs: While dogs can synthesize taurine in their systems, cats cannot and must have additional amounts added to their diet for proper health." So I don't know, lol.


Advanced Pet Diets Select Choice Senior http://www.breeders-choice.com/Dog_Products/scapddog_senior.html
This one also has salmon meal in it, it's a new food, as is the one above and both are made by Breeders Choice Company.

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Maisey
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posted 10-22-2003 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
I can't seem to quit looking!

I don't know how Bison smells...yes I said BISON, but check this out! I found this on the Solid Gold site, check out their other foods too.
http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/products/showproduct.php?id=62&code=170

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Maisey
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posted 10-22-2003 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
I think this is totally new...and I claim to know nothing about it, and I am betting it's spendy (didn't look) but the meat sources are what caught my eye. Rabbit, turkey, venison and others. At first glance it looked pretty good to me.
http://www.naturesvariety.com/canine/


I went back and looked more closely at this...I noticed that the shop I buy my food from sells it! I called her and asked her about it, keep in mind she is a total Raw food advocate, but she said it's an excellent product in her opinion. She also suggested that the source of chicken in a food makes a difference, if the chicken is not organic all natural, the dog may have a reaction to it. She said what that chicken was eating makes a difference. They also sell the dry roated treats by this company, I'm going to grab a couple for my dogs and see if they like them. I learned a new term today as well...."pizzle" I had no idea that was an animal penis! LOL, and they have those listed in the dry roated treats!

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Jamiya
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posted 10-22-2003 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
That Timberwolf product Maisey mentioned also makes a bison food and all sorts of alternative meat foods. Check them out here: http://www.timberwolforganics.com/ccp51/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?&pg=cat&ref=pet_food


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honeybear
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posted 10-22-2003 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
thanks Maisy for all of the links! I think I forgot to mention my vet said the best thing for a dog with food allergies is cooked whitefish and potatoes - yuk

There are too many choices! I went to petco today and they do carry a senior allergy food. It is Royal Canin Select Lamb and rice. Looks pretty good. I would post the ingredients but their web site is down. It has only one source of protein and only rice. It also has 23% fat which I like. I think that is why Jake had so much more energy on the Innova. It had a high protein content Since most commercial diet and senior foods are low in protein and high in carbs.

I really like the breeders formula you posted too, but No-one around here carries that particular beeders formula

It is like "designer dog food" with all the new ingredients people are coming up with Bison, fish Wow.

As for Taurine, I have the Missing Link supplement for my cat and I thought it would also be good for Jake too and was trying to find the difference between the missing link cat and dog and the only difference is that Cat has taurine in it and the dog doesnt

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Maisey
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posted 10-22-2003 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Whitefish eh?...From TimberWolf organics..check this one out and it only has 14% fat. http://www.timberwolforganics.com/ccp51/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?usr=51F517425&rnd=8662009&rrc=N&affl=&cip=152.163.252.72&act=&aff=&pg=prod&ref=oceanblue

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posted 10-22-2003 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puttin510     Edit/Delete Message
There was a segment on the emergencie vet show last week. And they had gone to a ladies home where she had to many cats and was feeding them rice and vegetables. The cats were taken away and checked out. It seemed some were going blind and a few were already there. All because of the lack of taurine in there food. That lady barely ate herself. She was worried they would be put to death, she was so happy to have them taken and adopted out.

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honeybear
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posted 10-22-2003 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Maisey, the Timberwolf product looks pretty good. Strange that dogs would want to eat fish.

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Maisey
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posted 10-22-2003 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Are you kidding??? We always take the dog with us when we go fishing, one of us always has to watch the dogs closely cause they try to eat our catch! I buy salmon treats for them and they love those as well.

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posted 10-22-2003 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nern     Edit/Delete Message
Honeybear: Have you considered trying the California Natural Lamb & Rice? Its pretty limited in ingredients.

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honeybear
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posted 10-23-2003 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Maisey - I sent an email to that web-site tha Jimiya posted and they got back to me on what could be causing Jakes Allergies - possible allergens in the Innova. And she said Whitefish! and also apples and culd be garlic if the dogs are parasites. Now she said she loves Innova but some dogs just cant handle some of the ingredients.

Be careful of the Salmon. I got to Lake Shasta a lot and they have warnings in all of the vets office on the Salmon carrying a very deadly parasite if your dog injests it.

Nern - I will check out the lamb and rice you recommended

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Maisey
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posted 10-23-2003 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Honeybear, TY for the warning on the Salmon, I have grown up in Oregon , so I know not to let them injest it raw. Witt actually jumped in the water this past summer when I caught a Bass, he got excited by all the fighting the fish was doing, so noy only was I ecstatic about having a fish on, but I was hysterical thinking Witt was going to get a hook in his mouth. He ended up grabbing it and coming back on shore, I was reeling, laughing and crying all at the same time. Shawn got it away from him without Witt getting hooked, but we were glad the fish was legal cause there were tooth holes all over it, figures my "hog dog" would prefer rounding up fish!

All I can say about the advicce you got yesterday from that lady is...remember it's just that, don't take all your information from one place. Your vet said whitefish was good she said it's a possible allergen...research more, maybe try it. I was told that lamb is showing up more and more as an allergen. I think it just depends on the ingredient quality and the animal eating it. There are so many ingredients in one food it makes it hard to narrow it down to which one or several. I feel for you, it's not an easy task. I asked the lady at m y shop, she said Innova is very rich and some dogs can't handle it others flourish on it. She said to tell you to look into raw feeding. Like I said she is big on the raw diet. She sells several brands of raw. I buy the treats for my dogs occasionally.
Is he still liking the Duck/Potato food?

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posted 10-23-2003 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Maisey - boy luckily I have a ajob with nothing to do that is how I can spend so much time here. It is true - there are so many ideas out there and what works and doesnt. My new vet also said lamb and rice is showing up more as an allergen. The women said a particular whitefish, "handlfocklen" or something like that. that is being put into the foods. I decided not to do the potato and duck for now, I am trying Royal Canin Senior Lamb and rice and see how it goes. (hopefully there is no problem with the lamb) The reason is Jake needs to lose weight! And this
particular brand has a high protein 23% I want to make sure heis geting full with less calories. I will give it a few months and if he is still having problems, I will change to the duck and potato.

Even though this is higher in fat content, it is only 350 calories a cup. ( Innova has 550 calories a cup) Which I cant figure that out. Usually something with this high of fat content is usually very in in calories.

Here are the ingredients for the Royal Canin.
Complete and balanced nutrition for your dog's health and wellness.
High protein (23%) provides extra energy and maintains muscle mass without contributing to excess weight gain.
Supplemented with Glucosamine and Chondroitin for improved joint mobility.

Guaranteed Analysis

Crude Protein Not less than 23.0%
Crude Fat Not less than 14.0%
Crude Fiber Not more than 3.6%

Moisture Not more than 10.0%
Linoleic Acid Not less than 2.2%
Calcium Not less than 1.0%
Calcium Not more than 1.3%
Phosphorus Not less than 0.7%
Phosphorus Not more than 0.9%
Glucosamine Hydrochloride* Not less than 390 mg/kg
Chondroitin Sulfate* Not less than 110 mg/kg

*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profile.
Ingredients
Lamb meal, brown rice, brewers rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), beet pulp, rice gluten, rice hulls, natural lamb flavor, brewers yeast, L-lysine, potassium chloride, DL-methionine, salt, monosodium phosphate, chicory extract, borage oil, vitamin E supplement, choline chloride, ascorbic acid (source of vitamin C), iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, D-glucosamine supplement, chondroitin supplement, zinc oxide, iron sulfate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, rosemary extract, sodium selenite, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, biotin, niacin supplement, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin B supplement, calcium iodate, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

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posted 10-23-2003 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Now I am really confused and now my theory of Jake needing more protien. And I may just have to start form scratch! I found this on 2 differnet web sites. Gosh This will be my 3rd trip to Petco!

"Hot spots in the summer and excessive scratching and itching can be a direct result of too much protein. Diets containing excessive protein make it necessary for the dog to drink massive quantities of water. In the summer, it may be impossible for him to drink enough water to pant and stay cool and excrete all the protein"

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