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Bob T
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posted 10-08-2003 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob T     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings all....

Finally found a message board that looks like it's members might be able to help me...and boy do I need it!

My wife and I "Adopted" a Mini Dachshund about 1 month ago. At the time he was 3 months old. We have been trying to kennel train him to "Relieve" himself in a designated kennel. This has been pure frustration!
We have him confined to one room which has the kennel in it. We place him in the kennel every 1/2 hour or so to relieve himself. Unfortunately, he also decides to relieve himself outside the kennel. We tell him "NO" but he still has the problem. We have been working on this for a month now. After he does relieve himself in the kennel (only when we put him in there) we reward him with a treat and lots of praise.

This weekend, we visited my folks who have 2 yorkies. Wouldn't you know it, our doxie picked up on the "Go into the kennel on your own bit" and mastered it at my parents. We had extra praise for him and figured we were well on our way to peace and less frustration.

Upon returning home, our doxie is back to his old routine and refuses to even go near the kennel to relieve.

What are we doing wrong and where do we go from here. We have used the "Wee wee" pads and drops but for some reason, he likes the carpet better.

Sorry for the long post.....

Thanks in advance!!

Bob Thomas

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Alison
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posted 10-09-2003 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alison     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, Bob,

It sounds like you're kennel training backwards if I read that right! You don't want your puppy to do his business inside the kennel. The kennel should be like your puppy's "den" and instinctually a dog will not want to mess where he sleeps. The purpose of kennel training is to train your dog to hold it and only go potty where and when you want him to (he will have to go every 4 hours and after every change in activity). Instead of placing your pup in the kennel to relieve himself, put him in the kennel for a nap, then remove him from the kennel and do his business on the wee pads (which should NOT be placed in the kennel).

Also, you need to keep a sharp eye on your puppy. There's no point in scolding him when he messes in the house because you should have been watching him for signs he has to go and placed him on his wee pads. 3 months old is too young to expect a puppy to be able to understand why you're yelling at him for doing his business. Sometimes, if you scold a puppy for potty in the house, but aren't supervising him at other times, they can learn that it's OK to go in the house as long as they find a corner where you aren't watching. The moment it looks like he has to potty, snatch him up and move him where he needs to go. If you do have to scold the puppy, do it WHILE HE'S IN THE ACT. After he's finished, he won't understand while you're yelling at him.

Hope all that helps! It's a method that worked for my dog in about 2 weeks. Definitely make your kennel a home for your pup because it gives them their own place and they will need to be comfortable in a kennel if you ever have to board them.

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Bob T
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posted 10-09-2003 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob T     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Alison,

Actually, he has 3 kennels at the moment. One is for sleeping, one is a "Day Kennel" for when we need to leave him alone and the other is a kennel strictly for relieving himself. We don't put him in there unless we want him to "go" We have a seperate kennel for him when we leave the house etc. Am I still doing it wrong? Maybe I'm confusing him? Maybe I'm confused

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NewLabOwnr
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posted 10-09-2003 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NewLabOwnr     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Bob! Let me ask you this and maybe we can help you better. When your dog is an adult dog where do you want the dog to eliminate? Are you eventually going to want the dog to eliminate only outside? When your pup is about 4 or 5 months old will you be able to come home in the middle of the day to let him out? Or have a neighbor let him out for you?

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Bob T
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posted 10-09-2003 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob T     Edit/Delete Message
NewLab,

I want the dog to eliminate in the designated kennel. In his "Daykennel" as we call it, it is quite larger and has the wee wee pad along with his little sleeping/play area.

Once we can get him kennel trained to eliminate in the designated kennel, we will allow him to roam the family room where the kennel is located instead of locking him up....hopefully.

I guess the easy answer is we want him to eliminate strictly in the designated kennel. I feel, since he is a smooth coat doxie, that our harsh winters here in Mass. will be a little too cold for him. My wife and I also work shift work (i work mids and she works days) so our sched will not really coincide with the pups elimination schedule

I said this wasn't an easy question

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Karriesue
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posted 10-09-2003 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Karriesue     Edit/Delete Message
True, this isn't an easy question. I think that the pup is a little confused. He is being trained to "hold it" in one kennel then you are telling him to "go" in another. Maybe designating a corner or an area with puppy pads where he can "go" would be a better idea. Plus, scold him only when you catch him in the act. He doesn't understand what you are scolding him for otherwise and is fruitless. He is very young still. With your schedules, potty training is going to be a little difficult so try to be as understanding as you can with your pup. Remember having a puppy is just like having a baby. By the way, small dogs can take winters, just use a doggie sweater if you feel it is too cold. Plus I think the pet stores even sell dog booties!

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Alison
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posted 10-09-2003 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alison     Edit/Delete Message
I think your puppy might be getting confused by placing his wee pads inside his day kennel. If he's in a kennel, he should be holding it. Dogs don't understand "sometimes" so having one crate for messes and another for no messes is awfully confusing! The kennel should really only be big enough for the puppy to turn around and that's it. If you're gone for long periods during the day, you might want to look at having a neighbor let the puppy out or something like that.

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honeybear
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posted 10-09-2003 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Bob, I agree with what everyone has said here, your poor little guy is getting confused in using so many kennels and trying to figure out what to do. Mainly kenneling your dog is so they dont want to go to the bathroom int the kennel because it is where they sleep - They hate it.
You said you are confining him to a room, since he is so small is it possible, you can let him roam in this area you have seperated and keep the kennel in there to sleep and in a different area put down puppy pads for him to use. And take him to these puppy pads every time you want to to pee.

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RottyMommy

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posted 10-09-2003 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RottyMommy     Edit/Delete Message
Although I am not one for having dog being trained to go in the house. Maybe trying a dog litter box or a large litter box instead of a kennel would be a better way to go about it.

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honeybear
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posted 10-09-2003 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Actually, Rottymommy is right, if your pup is going to be an indoor dog like city apt dwellers, they litter train their dogs, here is a link http://www.puppygopotty.com/training_manual.htm

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Bob T
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posted 10-13-2003 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob T     Edit/Delete Message
I guess he may be a little confused, huh? Well, since my first post, he has seemed to developed ESP. He is now, fairly consistently, using his elimination kennel. Only had a handful of accidents since my first post. Not sure what kicked him in the backside but he's getting better. We have eliminated one of the kennels to try not to confuse him. We shall see.

Thanks all for the replies. Much appreciated!

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goob
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posted 10-13-2003 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Dachshunds can be extremely difficult to housebreak completely. Some NEVER get things right, and many will have "relapses" in potty training at at least one point in their life. The people you adopted him from should have mentioned that, but maybe they didn't know themselves.

Ours, for example, was not housebroken at all when she started living here (she had been my aunt's (her "real" owner) before, my aunt had "crate trained" her by shutting her in a crate 15-17 hrs straight while she was at work since Annie had been a 2 month old pup, so I would guess that has made things even worse). We got her to the point where she was almost completely reliable, and she stayed that way for months, then started pee'ing in the house. My mom hauled her off to the vets for urinalysis, blood testing, and the like, all were normal. We went back to crating her when we were gone, and she would go outside and pee, then come back in and pee in the house 15 mins later. We finally (after several months of leashing her to us when we were home and crating her when not) got her back to "housebroken" again, only to have her start peeing in the house again. This has occured about 6 times in the 4 yrs we've had her, and she's had the full health workup done several times, all with no problems. She likes to pee on carpet best, tile next, and doesn't like to go on linoleum much at all. Sooo... after battling with this for so long, we've finally resorted to keeping her gated in the (linoleum floored) kitchen. She gets to run the house if I'm able to watch her closely and she was just out and all her "stuff", but other than that, she's lost roaming priveledges. When I let her come into bed with me, she's on a leash with the handle looped around my ankle, so that if she tries to sneak out to pee on the floor, she wakes me up and I can take her out (though sometimes she doesn't even go outside, and finds herself in the crate for the rest of the night). Apparently, from what I've heard and read, her behavior is NOT uncommon in at all, and many dachsies are the same way.

It does sound like you're making progress, so good luck and I hope things continue to go well for you, but if he starts having issues again later on, it may not necessarily be due to something you're doing wrong.

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Jamiya
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posted 10-14-2003 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamiya     Edit/Delete Message
The only thing I have to add is to make sure you are treating the carpet (or other flooring) where accidents happened with a product specially made to neutralize the odor. You can get this at a pet store. Dogs smell very well, and even though YOU can't smell it any more, the dog might be able to.

Also, dogs get used to peeing on a certain kind of surface. Goob's hierarchy of what his dog likes to pee on probably reflects where the dog had the most accidents with the previous owner.


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Bob T
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posted 10-14-2003 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob T     Edit/Delete Message
OH yeah...I got the BIG bottle of Natures Miracle

Unfortunately, most of the house....more like 99% is carpeted. We had planned on taking out the carpet and finishing the wood floors. Looks like now we have an excuse to have it done sooner

He's getting better....day by day. Seems to go quite frequently...like 4 times in 1/2 hour. Trying to limit his water intake and watching to see what happens!

Thanks again!

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