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charmedagain Member  Posts: 240 |
posted 09-26-2003 07:11 PM
 
hi to everyone that is thinking of breeding for the first time..... i would not advice on breeding unless every step has been taken from the bitches and dogs health to the health and care of the puppies... all pedigree bitches should have a smear before they are mated and the stud dog should have the all clear from the vet before goin ahead with the mating so many problems have been caused by irrisponsible people not taking the time to do this.. another is in the dog and bitches bloodline has there been any cases of ill health, deformities, agression if so these dogs should not be used for breeding as the trait maybe passed to the litter... can you afford the vet bills if any problems should arise which usually they do i am lucky i havent had one yet. then there is the whelping problems some healthy bitches have known to die during birth and some have been known to ignore there litter. i have bred german shepherds for a few years now and i still take all precautions to make sure my dogs and there litters stay healthy... one last thing i do not agree with breeding to make money because in the long run its going to cost you more in vet bills than you will make. thank you for taking the time to read this IP: Logged |
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nern Member Posts: 889 |
posted 09-26-2003 08:04 PM
Great post! IP: Logged |
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OwnedByAChi Member Posts: 29 |
posted 09-26-2003 09:16 PM
Alot of people may disagree with me on this. But I think that a breeder that loves the breed, should also rescue. And if there dogs are so great, they should show. I'm planning on breeding my Chihuahua. Shes a great example of the breed. This will of course be in 2 years. But I'm starting to get things ready now. I plan on doing a Chihuahua rescue. And I hope that she throws a nice show puppy for us. Breeders should also stand behind there dogs by giving a genitic health gaurantee. They should also have in there contract that if for any reason they can no longer keep the dog that it returns to the breeder no matter what health or age. All dogs that are not show quality or close enough to the breed standard they should only be sold on a limited registry. Thats just my opinion!! ~~Carmen~~ ------------------ IP: Logged |
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the_maine_pitbull Member Posts: 251 |
posted 09-27-2003 12:15 AM
Just an opinion.. take it how you may.. but how can you consider yourself a rescuer if you are breeding.. are you trying to rescue them from death and save them.. or are you trying to add more to society to add to the dogs in shelters and rescues that have no homes because breeders are having litter s of pups and people are buying those instead.. I just do not understand how you can rescue a breed if you are just adding to it as well.. How will you have time to train your "show dog" while trying to rehabilitate a rescued dog? I think you are putting more on your hands than you can hold.. Why not give rescuing a try.. if it does not work then try something different.. but before breeding, know all that you can.. and don't just read two or three websites and think oh that is simple, I can do this because I have bred labs and it is a BIG job. I have had to deal with quitting my job to stay at home feeding three week old puppies and rubbing their bums with warm clothes to make them go potty. I have dealt with every bit of that while on my two hour breaks I got I was feeding the mother by hand and hot packing her breasts, giving her medications and trying to help her out side and walk around because she was so sick.. It is scary.. I will never agree with breeding again.. I encourage to rescue over breeding.. It is safer, it is more humane and it is more needed than breeders. Think about it all.. Angie IP: Logged |
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charmedagain Member Posts: 240 |
posted 09-27-2003 12:36 AM
all my new owners have a signed contract that if for any reason they can no longer keep there new dog that i will gladly take the dog back i would rather me have it than it be stuck in some shelter and end up in a home where it will be beaten and abused by some one i know there is alot of caring loving homes out there but there is also alot. i am one of the breeders that will not let a puppy go unless i have inspected the garden where it will sleep and so on. 10 of my puppies have gone on to be champion show dogs over the years. but like i said breeding should not be taken lightly i think its great that your doing your research into breeding now angie most people will think oh you just put 2 dogs together and they will get strong healthy pups they dont realise it dont work like that. pitbull i am sorry to hear of the problems you had when breeding your dog i am lucky i have never had a problem yet but i stay in close contact with my vet at all times i aslo have an emergancy number incase something goes wrong. i havent bred my dogs for 2years now as i am just enjoying my dogs growing up i have 8 german shepherds and all are strong healthy dogs i do my upmost to make sure they stay that way. but i agree to the opinions there is alot of unwanted and abandoned puppies and dogs out there and this is by people who think that owning a dog is easy IP: Logged |
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OwnedByAChi Member Posts: 29 |
posted 09-27-2003 01:20 PM
Pitbull.. I plan on rescueing Chihuahuas for the sole purpose to save them from being put to sleep. I have been researching about breeding for 2 years. My sister breeds pugs, and ever litter I'm there to watch and learn new things. I love the Chihuahua breed!!! I have a great mentor, and even though my little Lucy is only 5 months old I'm getting things ready now. I'm getting her whelping box, whelping supplies, puppy scales, and plenty of towles stocked up. I'm a stay at home mom, and by the time Lucy is old enough to breed He'll be in school. I may be putting alot on my plate, but I like to keep busy. As for showing, I'm not sure if I will show or if I'll hire someone that has done it longer then me to show for me. In breeding all puppies/dogs if for any reason can not be cared for or kept any longer will come back to me, In doing this it will help to cut down on so many Chihuahuas being found in shealters around here. IP: Logged |
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*Beautiful*Girl Member Posts: 109 |
posted 09-27-2003 03:15 PM
I hope I'm not offending anyone but I do think that some people go into breeding for selfish reasons. I must admit, I too would love to breed my little guys, it seems fun and interesting but the reality is I'm not a breeder, and I don't think this is something one should just decide to do as a hobby. I really think there should be some type of certification or schooling for people that think they want to breed. These are little lives you are bringing into the world, I wouldn't be oppose to leaving the breeding up to trained professionals, for example a vetrinarian perhaps. There are just too many people that wake up one morning and decide that they want to breed. This is only contributing to the amount of animals being euthanized every year, not helping. IP: Logged |
Jas Moderator Posts: 262 |
posted 09-28-2003 10:52 AM
Thanks for starting a great post Charmedagain. I agree, I think all those who choose to breed should also put their time into rescue somehow. Responsible breeders are not usually the ones adding to the problem of overfilled shelters and unwanted dogs. My standards are high.......I have a huge list of what defines a Responsible Breeder. IP: Logged |
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charmedagain Member Posts: 240 |
posted 09-28-2003 04:26 PM
its great to see there is still people that think like me about breeding there is to many people out there that think its easy but then they find taht they cant cope with the puppies or the illness and problems that can arise. its like i have never bred cockatiels before and my pair laid eggs and they hatch but they killed 3 of the babies and i am currently handrearing the 4th which is now 10 days old it was 3days old when i started and it was touch and go, that is another problem people dont realise that if the mother ignores them is that they need hand feeding around the clock and its very hard and tiring IP: Logged |
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*Beautiful*Girl Member Posts: 109 |
posted 09-28-2003 06:06 PM
My bestfriend's boyfriend suggested last night that she mate her dog with mine. Thank God she has some sense. Her Dog is a 4.5lb yorkie female and I have a 10lb Yorkie Male. Now that is a catastrophe!! Her boyfriend has become insistant about mating the dog and she is oppose to it. She keeps trying to tell him that there is more too it than letting two dogs go at it. Not too mention My yorkie has already been fixed and her yorkies appointment is coming up soon. She told me they really got into an argument because he just see's $$$ and thinks once the babies are born the mother will do all the work. She said she asked him who is going to take off work to look after the little ones when they are first born and she said he suggested putting them in the closet until they come home. Someone needs to put him in the closet for eight hours with a handful of newborns and see how he likes it. It's sooo sad but most of the population thinks this way. IP: Logged |
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ilovemydogs New Member  Posts: 2 |
posted 09-28-2003 11:51 PM
i have to say...that the person who said that breeding and rescuing just cant go hand in hand is wrong...i am a volunteer for petfinder.com i help foster and or help find homes for homeless dogs in my area as of now i have 3 foster dogs 2 of them are chihuahuas and the other is a pug chihuahua mix i am also a breeder and have been now for almost 12 years and before that my mother was a breeder...i have been around dogs from the day i was born...yes it is alot of work but every bit of work i do is worth it i breed 1 to 2 litters a year and all my pups go to good homes that i check out not once not twice but 3 times and also do surprise visits before my puppies go any place my pups are 9 weeks old before leaving my home no matter how healthy he/she is or how well they are eating on there own i have never had a pup returned and to this day i keep in contact with each and everyone of the buyers of my pups but for breeding so long i have people i know very well who buy my pups and i love that because i know they will deff be in great homes also my foster dogs also go through the same thing as my pups i breed for just because they may not be purebred they still deserve the same amount of efford to place them in good homes and it is a stupid thing to think u are gonna breed for money...because its just dumb theres no way u are going to have healthy and happy mom's and pups without putting out more money then you make on them i sell my pups for 400.00 they come with akc Reg. a 3 year Health Garentee 4 sets of shots 5 generation pedigree's and a spay/nuter contact and also a contact that in no way will the pups go to any place eles if not wanted BUT ME! it is a very tiredsome job but if you are devoted to what u are doing it will be no hassel...i have a chihuahua her name is Betsy and i bought her from a very well know breeder she was getting married and wanted to stop breeding and she was selling all her dogs i thought well i will be able to get a very healthy and good akc stadard chihuahua from her for breeding when i bought her she was already pregnant this very well known breeding had let her get with a 5lb male and her being a 3lb female she had alot of problems had labor and didnt produce milk so i am hand feeding her pups they are 4weeks old today and are very healthy but let me tell you it is a very hard job so i do believe u should think long and hard before breeding because it isnt a joy of life when your putting your joy of life at risk it is ture you should think before u breed i still have heart tugging moments where i just wanna kill myself for breeding because things do go wrong no matter how healthy your females are i have a very good vet he specializes in chihuahuas and he knows everyone of my dogs by name so no matter how long you've been breeding or how good your vet is always expect the worse just so u will be on your tiptoes for any little problems i do not wish to offend anyone just speaking my peace on the whole rescuing breeding thing! IP: Logged |
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charmedagain Member Posts: 240 |
posted 09-29-2003 02:12 AM
i believe in rescuing but i dont agree with rescuing to breed from them i aslo dont agree with cross breebing this can lead to more problems than enough, i am not oppose to rescuing, i look at it if people who are breeders even none breeders get a dog from a shelter and then breed from them this is wrong same as i dont beleive in breeding 2 diff dogs together like you have a pug cross thats is irresponsible breeding a person who loves there animals will never let there animal out when in heat without the owner being there. i have bred german shepherds for 10 yrs my mum has bred for 30 and never had a problem that couldnt be dealt with mind you if there is too many pups in one litter then its the tiring job of hand feeding around the clock it is rewarding when the pups grow up you get the feeling i did this i helped him along but then there is the downside when a new puppy wont take to being hand fed and just gives up. but like i say i am all for rescuing but not to breed from them and a responsible shelter would have already had the dogs spayed or neutered IP: Logged |
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ilovemydogs New Member Posts: 2 |
posted 09-29-2003 07:46 AM
no you read my post all wrong i have 2 chihuahuas and a pug chihuahua mix all are rescued dogs they are spayed females that i had to pay for with my own money...i do not mix breed's i dont believe in it thats the most types of dogs u find in shelters is mixed breeds the chihuahuas i breed are all akc reg. and all been vet checked...i do not breed the dogs i resuce i spay them i am very known on petfinder i am a good rescuer and breeder! IP: Logged |
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charmedagain Member Posts: 240 |
posted 09-29-2003 09:58 AM
now thats what i call a responsable person ( ilovemypets) i wasnt meaning to sound like i was saying you were breeding the cross breeds sorry if tahts how it came across what i meant was the people that rescue dogs seem to breed them and then these pups end up with all kinds of problems and end up in shelters i think what your doing is great your taking the time to research and have money put aside for when you let your baby have babies wish there was more people that did that before puppies came along IP: Logged |
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ilovemydogs New Member Posts: 2 |
posted 09-29-2003 12:01 PM
ok i thought u was talking about me...(smiles) and yes alot of people do go to shelters and find purebred dogs to breed which i think is the most unproper way of doing things we have to many unwanted dogs here at where i work alot in frenchberg ky we have purebred dogs and mixed alot of people call asking if the purebred dogs are fixed and when we tell them yes there not so interested in them anymore we have also had dogs come in as cockapoos and pekiapoos and cockapekis and chiapoos and all sorts the people turning them in say they were from a purebred mother and purebred farther but from different breeds and they wanted to make a profit but couldnt so they couldnt keep them SEE NOW that kind of stuff really makes me so sad and mad at the same time i see so many dogs sit in cages are whine for there owners or cry because there scared we had a lil terrier mix come in and wouldnt let anyone touch her she was so scared i sit in her cage all night with her with a light on so she could see me as the night went on she kept getting closer and closer to me and as the night was over she finally was sitting in my lap u could tell she missed her owners as she looked down the road where she last saw them and cried and they just dump her out and no want her anymore i dont understand how people can get pets and just discard them like trash...there a living and breathing thing that has feelings there just like us they feel pain and miss people as we do...i just dont see how they do it why get a pet if u know that ur just gonna get rid of it later i really do believe they people should go to school before they can breed and have a breeder licenses now and days anyone can breed and it dont make no sense to me at all the only people who make profits off breeding are ones that put no money into there females or males or pups and will end up with dead females or males or pups or ending up selling a sick puppy to somone looking for a forever friend and get so attached to just loosing the pups months after buying the puppy but even tho somone has akc reg. on dogs dosent make them a good breeder or good type of breed i encourage people to check out the person they are planning on buying from before buying from anyone i love my dogs and what i do isnt a kennel because there are no kennels at my home all my dogs are inside dogs and only go outside to play or use the potty i believe in letting your dogs share your everyday life such as taking the dogs for rides or to the park just to let them know u want them with u all the time by the time my pups are 6 weeks old there more attached to me then they are there own mothers usally when i have pups when u see me u see my pups cause there either following me or i have them in a baby carrier carrying them around...lol i know very weird but i love good social dogs and want the people who buy pups from me to have a pup that is going to want to be with you and spend there days with you i feel sorry for people who breed for profit and know this that one day we all have a judgement day and even tho u dont want to believe it but dogs are one of god's creaters and u will be judged on the crulty u have inflicted on these tiny souls! but thanks (charmedagain) i try very hard at what i do and will until i can no longer move it seems you have alot of information that could be useful to people and i think u should start a website and share the information you have you are a very well spoken person and i think you could put it to good use! IP: Logged |
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goob Member Posts: 353 |
posted 09-29-2003 09:56 PM
maine_pitbull, If there weren't responsible breeders out there, then dog breeds as we know them would become extinct. The APBT, for example, would become the monster the media makes it out to be, because the only people breeding them would be people who don't care about sound temperaments, bodies, etc. I think it's great when responsible breeders step up to the plate and rescue as well, they're contributing to their breed in TWO ways... first, by keeping a healthy, sound line of dogs going for the future to enjoy; and second, by helping dogs in need NOW. It's also important to remember that most (not all, but MOST) people who go to a breeder looking to buy a show or working pup want a dog for a specific purpose, one that a rescue dog wouldn't fit anyway. Most responsible breeders will try to direct potential buyers to rescue dogs, but if the owners are set on getting a show/working prospect, better to get a good one than to get stuck buying from the BYB down the street. Don't get me wrong, I love rescue dogs, and feel that it's possible to find the right one for just about everybody, but for some purposes, you need a dog who's lineage and background is known. The point I'm trying to make though is that often, the people who go to responsible breeders wouldn't be getting a rescue dog ANYWAY, so there is no "taking a home away from a rescue dog" as some often argue. I also think this statement: quote: Is a bit unfair. You're drawing conclusions about someone else because you disagree with their actions. Most of the time, we have 5 dogs living here (usually one day a week, one goes to "visit" with my aunt, her original owner). All are "rescues" of sorts, and we're working towards competing in sports with several of them, while working on deeper problems with a couple. We make time for all, none go neglected because they're not capable of what the others are, the same would be true if I was looking at showing/breeding one of them. IP: Logged |
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the_maine_pitbull Member Posts: 251 |
posted 09-30-2003 07:28 AM
I want to apoloigize to whomever.. I read the post all backwards.. I kind of got the wrong impression and took it all wrong.. I am glad that people are doing both-- rescueing and keeping HEALTHY WELL BRED dogs to stand up for the breed. I just never realized that she was doing the research and really taking the time to look into things until her second post clarified everything. SO.. again I apologize.. I just thought you were going to try to take on the both at once and that you were going to just let your dog breed and that was it.. never knew that you were saving and really doing the info and getting yourself prepared for this ahead of time.. I also want to say that as far as shelters.. They should all start spaying and neutering before a dog leaves the place. It is a shame that the shelters across the US in most cases cannot afford to do this, however, I wish it could be done because too many meat heads are getting dogs and breeding them to try and make a few dollars. Anyhow.. good luck with both rescueing and breeding. The reason I mentioned I had no idea how anyone could breed and find time for training a show dog is because I bred labs for a long while. It was a big enough job dealing with seven puppies that I ended up putting off training my other lab for showing. But then again.. the second litter I had was hand fed from about 2 1/2 weeks due to the mother having a health problem with her milk being infected. So.. it was a big job.. Angie IP: Logged |
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Many people may not agree with breeding but be glad that Charmed started such a post because it pertains to responsible breeding AND consequently rescue/shelter animals.....The more people aware of proper breeding practices & ethics the less dogs in rescue and shelters due to unscrupulous breeding.