|
|
| Powered by Click2.com |
Dogs
Cats
Horses
Birds
Fish
Other pets |
|
|
|
| Powered by Click2.com |
Dogs
Cats
Horses
Birds
Fish
Other pets |
 Click here to make Auspet.com your default home page |
|
 Auspet - Message Boards
 Dogs - all types
 Dog Pregnancy's.
|
 UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! |
next newest topic | next oldest topic |
| Posted by | Topic subject: Dog Pregnancy's. |
|
Miss_vp2002 Member  Posts: 21 |
posted 09-02-2003 11:53 PM
  
Hi All, and I'm new the Forum. And you are probably all going to think that I'm nuts, but i have a few questions about Dog Pregnancy's. My Staffy x got lucky last night with another Staffy that strayed and got into our yard. My dog is on heat. I don't know much about pregnancys in bitches..... 1. Can they fall pregnant the first time they get it? 2. My dog is only one and half years old, is this to young for her to have pups? 3. Is there a pregnancy test you can get for your dogs to see if they are pregnant? Don't get me wrong, we didn't get her desexed because we did want to breed offer her, but im just a littl concerned that she is a little young to be having pups. She might not even be pregnant, but Im just looking at it just in case she is, and am preparing for it. Your help would be greatly appreciated.... Jody IP: Logged |
|
charmedagain Member Posts: 77 |
posted 09-03-2003 05:55 AM
hi there how long has your dog been in heat the 1st start of heat lasts around 9daysand ends when the bitch will no longer allow mating...the smen from the male dog can live in the females for around 5days so there is a chance your dog maybe become pregnant your dog does seem young but i wouldnt worry to much my german shepherd had her 1st litter of 8 puppies when she was 2yr old.. as yet there is no hormonal methods of checking if a dog is pregnant or wether it will go well palpatation of the abdomen around 25days by your vet mite feel sperical swelling sbut can still b missed if you dog is fat or ubco-operative ultra sound scanning can b used at around 4 to 5 weeks but is very expensicve later stages xrays can be used and the listening of puppies hearbeats. recently a blood test has been used to diagnos pregnancy but inflammatory conditions can cause a false positive result.....if the dog that mated with yours has been neutered you bitch will go on to show sum or all of the symptoms of pregnancy. 1 thing i will stress is that until it is proved your dog is not expecting she should be treat as if she is i hope this is helpful keeps us informed of your dogs progress mike .... IP: Logged |
|
Miss_vp2002 Member Posts: 21 |
posted 09-03-2003 04:28 PM
This is about the 3rd time she's been in heat. I rang the local Vet yesterday and she asked the same thing. She also said that basically when they are in heat it means that they are mature and ready for pups. I'll definately keep you updated, and like I said before I was abit concerned about how young she is. But now I'm actually looking very forward to her having pups. I am preparing as if she is pregnant. Another question, because it happened on tuesday, how long after can you take her to the vet to determine weather or not she is pregnant, do you have to wait a week, 2 weeks, 1 month? When? I treat my dogs like they are my daughters, so I guess Im going to be a granny.....LOL...... well possibly! Jody IP: Logged |
|
charmedagain Member Posts: 77 |
posted 09-03-2003 06:30 PM
i usually wait until her heat is over then i give her about 2 to 3 weeks after that then take mine for her check and if she is far enough on the vet will be able to feel the puppies dogs are usually pregnant for aound 65 days and they can deliver within hours some bitches can deliver a couple of the puppies and then go to sleep and deliver no more till the following day providing she isnt weak and isnt still trying to push all you can really do is sit and wait withthis being her first litter if she is expecting be prepared to have to give a little help to her like if she dont know wat to do with the pupps just place one under her nose and she should then start licking... if you need anymore help or you worried u can email me i will reply asap its boro_lad1976@hotmail.com.. by the way how long she been in heat as the whole heat cycle lasts around 1days 9days when she first comes into heat and then she will allow mating and the heat will end when she will no longer allow mating good luck if she is as having puppies can be rewarding IP: Logged |
|
Miss_vp2002 Member Posts: 21 |
posted 09-03-2003 06:41 PM
Thank you for all your help and I will definatly send you an email if i get concerned. She has been in heat for about 1 and a bit weeks now, so she is probably nearing the end of her cycle. It's pretty weird cause both dogs that i do have (Lab x Kelpie, Staffy x) go on heat at the same time. The dog that got into the yard tried to also jump on my Lab, but she was a bitch and snapped at him so he jumped on my Staffy instead. I guess now that she is ok to have pups, I'm just worried about her having the pups. I work during the day from 9-5 and my hubby works from 5am-3.30pm so we arn't their during the day and I'm worried that she'll have them during the day. I will put her in the laundry when its time for her to have them. Another question! How do you know when that she is about to give birth to them? Is there like a show or does her waters break or something? Jody IP: Logged |
Jas Moderator Posts: 163 |
posted 09-03-2003 09:43 PM
Dogs can get pregnant during their first heat and they can get pregnant the first time they are bred. A one and a half year old dog is young and still only a pup herself. Your dog can go to the vet for an ultrasound or palpation usually done around 28 days after mating. A female can get preg early on or with some even as late as 21 days. There is a small window during the heat cycle when she will be receptive (this will vary between dogs), if she is letting a dog mate and not growling, then this is the time. The males will also change and become more determined. I would keep all dogs away from her now, in case there is a chance she's not pregnant. Breeding is not to be taken lightly. It is great that you are asking for info, but you should purchase some breeding books and view some websites as well as join a breeding support forum. A responsible breeder is prepared and be informed - usually before undertaking in breeding. Vet checks as well as Genetic testing is also important for any dog who is bred - as you will need to know if they are passing on genetic diseases or conditions that could cause problems in the pups. Responsible breeders will wait to breed until the female has passed 2 years of age - as some genetic testing - OFA's (hips and elbows tests) will not certify a dog free of hip dysplasia until it is over age 2 as the female is still developing. You will also need to research prenatal care and feeding of the female. You should be well informed incase of a difficult delivery, or complications with the birth or pups. If you have a good relationship with your dogs breeder there experience and support could be most useful to you. Some things to think about before breeding: Is your staffy and excellent example of the breed? Do you know the pedigree and history & health of the lines? Do you have families already waiting for one of her pups? Have you thought about contracts and spaying and neutering of the pups. Here are some links to a site about learning to breed and all that goes with it, if its not useful now, then it will be for the future. http://www.geocities.com/learntobreed/ http://www.dogsites.com.au/internet_library/before_you_breed_your_dog.html ****This is an excellent site that takes you from before you breed to post natal care to placing the puppies. It is an great reference and guideline for anyone thinking about breeding: http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/breeding.html You should arragne to have someone with her, with our litters we work many opposite shifts so someone is always there especially around whelping - you will need time off work and it could happen at any hour. The females water will break and you will see a drop in her temperature - you will need a thermometer to monitor he temp, a safe secure whelping box- big enough for mom and babies, towels, heat lamp, as well as a scale, and numerous other supplies (see link). If you have more questions feel free to ask. Good luck with your dog, please keep us updated on how she is doing. IP: Logged |
|
Miss_vp2002 Member Posts: 21 |
posted 09-03-2003 10:19 PM
Thanks Jas, will keep you informed. But like you said she might not be pregnant and trying to keep the other dog away is very hard as the little bugga keeps jumping the fence, I've already confroted the owner of the dog to keep him locked up for a while and have also told them that if my dog is pregnant they need to find a few homes for the dogs as well. As for the history of the dog, we found her at the abbatoirs when the hubby was finishing work and she was very cold, frightened and weak. I have tried to contact an owner by door knocking around the area and placing a add in the local paper but nobody knows anything off her, I say somebody has just left her to die. I don't have families lined up at the moment mainly because it only happened this week. I would really like to find out if she is pregnant or not first before I arrange families and get their hopes up and find out that she's not pregnant. She is a Staffy x and the dog that mated with her is pure bread Staffy. I didn't ask the owner of the other dog if it has been clipped or not, but I'll be back again to ask them. I will be asking more questions if she is pregnant so I wont be offended if you tell me to stick a cork in it......LOL But once again, thank you for your help, and Im now off to read your links that you provided.. Jody IP: Logged |
|
charmedagain Member Posts: 77 |
posted 09-04-2003 05:17 AM
breeding isnt to be taken lightly but its upto the individual owner wether or not to breed there dogs a bitch that is a year and a half is more capable of producing strong healthy pups than an older dog there is a large chance that you dog is pregnant providing the male hasnt been nueterd or is not infertile if these have happened then she will go through what is known as a phantom pregnancy IP: Logged |
|
Maisey Member Posts: 309 |
posted 09-04-2003 07:22 AM
If she is not pregnant, will you be spaying her? IP: Logged |
|
Lacey Member Posts: 40 |
posted 09-04-2003 08:51 AM
A neutered dog will not breed with your dog. They don't breed just for the heck of it. The hormones have to be there to make his instinct kick in and try to breed. Neutered ones can still mount another dog but will not follow through. That is usually just a dominance display. Did these dogs tie, which means stay stuck together for 5-15 minutes or so? If not she may not be pregnant either. I highly doubt that he is neutered if he was trying to breed with both of your dogs. Also if she let him she is most likely at the fertile stage. Let us know what happens and good luck if she is pregnant. IP: Logged |
|
charmedagain Member Posts: 77 |
posted 09-04-2003 09:16 AM
a dog and a bitch dont have to tie for the process to b completed the last litter my dog had last year the dog didnt tie with her and she had a litter of 10 puppies so the whole dogs need to tie things is rubbish my male nuetered dog still mates as he gets used when one of my bitches is ready for mating and dont want her having pups and he sometimes ties and sometimes dont. me and my mum are breeders of pedigree german shepherd sogs and have been bredding for many years... the only problem with unsuccesful mating is the risk of a phantom pregnacy which she can have some or all the signs of being in whelp which are ok unless she starts producing milk which can cause mastitis which is basically when the milk goes sort of hard and can cause her temprature to be raised which treatment from you vet is needed a dog that has bouts of phantom pregnacies should not be bred from but spayed same as if you dont know the dogs background history as any problems the relatives of the dog have may be passed down through the blood line. wont say that breeding is fun as there is also alot of upset when mothers dont feed there pups or you have some dogs that will actually kill there pups there is problems with pups like cleft pallete stuff like that then u have the heartache of having to cull them from the litter which is actually hard.no1 should ever breed any animal unless ther are prepared for everything and have suitable caring homes for the pups when they are old enough to leave there mother IP: Logged |
|
Lacey Member Posts: 40 |
posted 09-04-2003 10:13 AM
I did say that she may not be pregnant without a tie. I didn't say that it was for sure. It is more likely to have a pregnancy with a tie though. As far as using a neutered male being used for your female you don't want to breed what is the point of that? Animals don't breed for fun like humans do, they breed to reproduce only. Was he used for breeding before he was neutered? I have never heard of a neutered male tying with a female before. Has anyone else? I am curious because I have had a few males and have never had that happen. I sure hope my neutered Standard Poodle doesn't ever try to breed with my unspayed Toy Poodle. I seriously doubt that will happen though. IP: Logged |
|
charmedagain Member Posts: 77 |
posted 09-04-2003 12:47 PM
i have done some checking and even asked my vet and a neutered dog that has mated bitches before he was snipped will still mate and can still tie with a bitch as the body and mind are still with it as the time passes they will come out of that but some dogs never do and will continue to mate the first oppitunity they get. and i was also told that if the bitch has had 3 heat cycles she is already sexually mature to raise a family but its upto the individual about wether to breed or not to breed. i would never breed a cross i only own pedigrees and i know there blood line as all my dogs are registered dogs and all my pups goto there new homes with there pedigree papers and there 1st vaccination card to state the date it was given and when next one is due IP: Logged |
|
Lacey Member Posts: 40 |
posted 09-04-2003 06:08 PM
Wow, that's interesting to know. I like these boards, you can learn new things all the time. Good thing my Standard has never bred so I don't have to worry about him getting interested in my Toy! That would be disasterous! Thanks for the info, charmedagain. IP: Logged |
|
Miss_vp2002 Member Posts: 21 |
posted 09-04-2003 06:46 PM
Im assuming that spayed means desexed! If she isn't pregnant we arn't going to get her desexed cause we do want some pups out of her. I was just concernced with her being so young. We do have another section of yard that you can put the dogs in, and from now on they'll be in there when they are both on heat or until we are ready for them to have pups. The area is big enough for dogs and has really high fencing and don't ask me why we didn't put them in there in the first place....I really don't know. We are however getting the staffy desexed when she does have one litter of pups. I will be buying books as Jas suggested, and will still be asking questions. I'm not ready to know everything about dog pregnancy's, but Im preparing myself for it and yes I still have alot to learn. I guess all I can do is take her to the vet and get the vet to take a look at her. When I do this, I'll keep you all informed. Jody IP: Logged |
|
Miss_vp2002 Member Posts: 21 |
posted 09-04-2003 06:48 PM
Charmedagain, do you have MSN Messenger? Jody IP: Logged |
|
Jas Moderator Posts: 163 |
posted 09-04-2003 10:30 PM
Hi Jody Just to flood your brain with further info peace IP: Logged |
|
Miss_vp2002 Member Posts: 21 |
posted 09-04-2003 11:18 PM
Thanks Jas, I'll give that sight a good read when i can over the weekend. My hubby and I have considered getting both dogs fixed up and we have considered every possiblity as to 'what will happen if things go wrong'. And i have red alot about breeding mixed dogs. We are still at the deciding point as to whether or not we should go ahead and let her have the pups or get her desexed. But once the decision is made, I'll know that we have made the right one. If you have anymore information that will help, I will definately sit down and read it, so flood my brain as much as possible....Just leave it until after the weekend tho......hehe Jody IP: Logged |
|
Miss_vp2002 Member Posts: 21 |
posted 09-05-2003 12:13 AM
WOW - has that shaken up a thing or two in my nervous system. I coudln't resist i had to read it now and not over the weekend. I didn't read all of it, only a few things, but that was enough to shake me up a little. I honestly didn't think that breeding can be such a difficult task. I think i'll leave it for the experts when it comes to breeding dogs, but like I said I had no intentions of letting her become pregnant at such a young age. (WOW - still thinking about that post). The last few days I have learnt abit, and to be quite honest I really didn't think much about the what would happen afterwards, I really loved your post Jas in the link that you provided and to be honest again, that really scared the sh*t out of me, I'll be talkin to the hubby tonight and if we both agree we will take her to the vet this week to get her desexed, cause I really don't want to risk losing her, (call me self fish), but I dont want to go through losing another family pet, actually I'll probably get them both desexed. I'll always ask myself if i have made the right decision, but I guess I'll never know the answer to it. You have changed my mind in breeding, and I'm really glad that I found this site. I wouldn't have even of thought about half the stuff you guys have posted to me since being here, and I say I would have wound up with dead pups when they were born (which is what i wouldn't want to happen). Am i making the right decision in getting her desexed? Don't be dissappointed in me for changing my mind, but I honestly didn't think it was hard work. I'm really glad that you showed me that link, cause it has made me think twice. Jody IP: Logged |
|
rgyoung777 Member Posts: 32 |
posted 09-05-2003 01:16 AM
No one has suggested this yet, but even if your dog is pregnant, the gestation is in the very early stages, it is possible to spay (desex) her now with no more ill effects or health risks than there would be with a dog who was not pregnant. While this is not *ideal* in some respects, spaying her now will mean that you and your dog will not have to worry about the much greater health risks associated with bearing and birthing puppies. If you wait until later on in the pregnancy (if she is pregnant), risks associated with a spay surgery increase, and some vets will not perform a spay at that point. I'm very glad to hear that you've rethought breeding your dog. It's a wonderful and responsible decision to have made! Having your dog desexed is a good thing. Depending on her age, her chances of getting mammary cancer will be greatly decreased with a spay, and you will no longer have to deal with the mess of having a dog in heat. No more male "suitors" will be jumping into your yard, and no more chances of an accidental pregancy (like this one). Best of luck to you and your dogs. [This message has been edited by rgyoung777 (edited 09-05-2003).] IP: Logged |
|
Miss_vp2002 Member Posts: 21 |
posted 09-08-2003 04:53 PM
Since my last post, my hubby still wants to go ahead with the pups if she is pregnant. He has since lined up homes for them. However I talked to him and I couldn't for the life of me change his mind, and once his mind is made up, it's made up. He did say that once she has these pups, he will spay her. So I guess we will be expecting the pups around early november. Jody IP: Logged |
|
Miss_vp2002 Member Posts: 21 |
posted 09-09-2003 11:22 PM
As from today my little darling Staffy has become quite sick. After being on the phone all day to the vet she said that she might be infected in the uterus and might have a lot of puss which really scared me because I know that they can die from it. She is however in good hands now and she has a high temp of 38.5. I've just spoken to the vet yet again and she doesn't have an infection down there thank god. He is giving her some medication to take and if that doesn't help, back to the vet again. I will be definately keeping an eye on her tonight and possibly letting her sleep in side in a luxury comfy bed, with a good home cooked meal.... Jody IP: Logged |
|
Miss_vp2002 Member Posts: 21 |
posted 09-11-2003 08:41 PM
I have finally talked the hubby into getting our Staffy spayed. She's going in for her operation in two weeks as she is still in season. Because their is a possibility that she may be pregnant, I'm not prepared to put her through a pregnancy at an early age. However, I now have to talk him into getting our Lab spayed aswell. Jody IP: Logged |
All times are ET (US) | next newest topic | next oldest topic |
  |
|
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.45c
cause you've been so great about wanting to learn and open to becoming educated about breeding!! There is a topic in the Pit Bull Forum called "Is my pit bull pregnant", there is some good information written by some posters. Short cut to the link: 