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lovemydog
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posted 08-14-2003 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemydog   Click Here to Email lovemydog     Edit/Delete Message
Hi,
I'm BRAND new to Auspet and to dog-ownership. Picked up an Akita cross 3 weeks ago (he was abandoned at 8 years and stuck at the pound for 3 months!) and he still has intense separation anxiety--howls when we're out, follows me from room to room...I'm worried about how the flight will be for him and wondered if anyone knew anything about pet sedation or otherwise making flying more comfortable?? Thanks in advance!

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nern
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posted 08-14-2003 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nern   Click Here to Email nern     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe you could look into something like "Rescue Remedy" or "Pet Calm" which are supposed to be helpful for stressed animals.

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nern
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posted 08-14-2003 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nern   Click Here to Email nern     Edit/Delete Message
BTW, Welcome to the board and congrats on your new dog...Im glad you were able to rescue him

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honeybear
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posted 08-14-2003 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
Please call your vet for a recommendation, they will usually prescribe a mild sedative to calm the dog. How nice you save him and an older dog to boot.
Good luck
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Maisey
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posted 08-14-2003 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey   Click Here to Email Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
In addition to calling your vet for advice, putting something with your scent on it in the kennel will help, a chew toy or a favorite toy may also be comforting.

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lovemydog
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posted 08-20-2003 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemydog   Click Here to Email lovemydog     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, it's great that this board is to active! Will try the scent thing, also picked up a sedative at the vet ... I feel much better thinking of him snoozing away in oblivion than howling the whole time! Has anyone used sedatives from the vet for travelling? I'm wondering if they'll really knock him out or just make him reaaalllly sleepy. Not sure we'll be able to lift him if he's out!!

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honeybear
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posted 08-20-2003 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
lovmydog, just be certain you follow your dose the vet prescribed. It is just supposed to make them sleepy (and their eyes may get real droopy, like you can see read underneath. It is not suppose not knock them out cold. He should be able to walk but it may be difficult (like he is drunk) but depending on how long your trip is - the sedative may start wearing off and he will be much more active. I have only used the sedatives when I moved with my cat. He slept most of the trip until the end when the sedative started wearing off. (that wasnt fun, because he just started howling) Hopefully someone can help you more on experience with a dog. Also make sure you check with your vet on how long the sedative lasts and how long it usually takes to kick in, so you know when you need to give it before the trip.
Good luck!
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fleafly
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posted 08-21-2003 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fleafly     Edit/Delete Message
I researched flying with my dogs, and was horrified at the amount of stories where animals were harmed in flight. They are often left on the tarmac too long and overheat, or are sometimes even placed in the wrong cargo area and become too cold or hot and die.

One thing I did come across in my research was to not sedate your pet when it is flying. The pressure changes are hard on them, this is especially true if they are sedated. Apparently it makes it harder for their breathing to adapt to the changes, and they are more likely to have complications. So if you do fly with your dog, I would do some research on the issue, and not use a sedative.

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honeybear
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posted 08-21-2003 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
luvmydog, because of fleaflys post, I found this on the web. SO I think it depdends on your dogs disposition and just how freaked out they would be flying.


"Finally, owners should consider whether the pet is comfortable with traveling. Pets are just like people who sometimes become anxious when they don't travel frequently. This leads some owners and veterinarians to question whether administering sedatives or tranquilizers to dogs or cats prior to flight is a good idea. According to national and international air transportation organizations, as well as the American Humane Association and the American Veterinary Medical Association, in most cases the answer is "no"! "An animal's natural ability to balance and maintain equilibrium is altered under sedation," says Dr. Patricia Olson, DVM, PhD, former director of veterinary affairs and studies for the American Humane Association. "When the kennel is moved, a sedated animal may not be sedated animal may not be able to brace and prevent injury.


Flying With Pets

More than two-thirds of pet owners will travel with their pets this year, according to the American Animal Hospital Association Pet Owner Survey, and a large number of them will take those pets on planes. Out of concern for pets' safety, airlines now offer several options for pets traveling by air. By understanding their options and taking a few precautions, owners can help make flying a safe and healthy experience for their pets.

Traditionally, pets have often been checked as baggage, flying in the baggage hold with passenger luggage. However, baggage holds may not always be adequately shielded against the extremes of heat and cold that can occur during flights. They can become particularly hazardous if animals are exposed to extreme temperatures for extended periods because they miss connecting flights or have to wait out delays. There is no way to monitor or assist pets that become uncomfortable or ill during the flight. In fact, due to concern for the health of pets that fly as checked baggage, the US government recently enacted regulations requiring better training in pet handling for airline employees and requiring airlines to notify the Department of Transportation of any adverse incidents involving animals. Also, many airlines now refuse to ship pets as checked baggage during the hottest months of the year, and some, such as Continental and America West, will no longer accept pets as checked baggage at any time.

Cargo shipping can be a safer option for pets that must travel by air. Cargo shipments are booked in advance and can be designed for pets' safety, and professional shippers have experience in providing an environment suitable for specialized cargo like live animals. Some passenger airlines offer cargo shipping, as well as many companies that fly cargo exclusively. An even better option is a professional animal shipper. Professional animal shippers specialize in keeping pets safe and comfortable while they travel, and some will care for pets all the way from their front door to their destination. For more information on professional animal shippers, contact the Independent Pet & Animal Transportation Association.


let us know how it goes
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lovemydog
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posted 08-21-2003 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemydog   Click Here to Email lovemydog     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks fleafly and Honeybear!! What a quandary. The flight is only 2.5 hours with no connections, and the weather should be cool as it'll be early morning... but I know I'll be worrying the whole way!! Unfortunately we're moving and there's no other way to get us all away ( his previous family dumped him because they didn't want to deal with moving him!! the irony). It never would have occurred to me that sedatives could harm him but it makes sense. From your posts I agree that he'd be better off without! Or maybe half a dose??? Or maybe that REscue remedy would be gentler, I'll have a look for it. Again, thanks!!

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posted 08-21-2003 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
I'd look into rescue remedy. It can be found at health food stores or in health sections at some larger stores. It is a natural bach flower product. I've taken it myself and given it to my dogs. Appeared to work for all of us!

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posted 08-22-2003 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
luvmydog, it it so nice to see how much you care for your dog and your rescued him at 8 years old You are lucky you have a short flying time. Since he does have seperation anxiety, forgot about you just got him, maybe a half does or the natural remedy recommended


here is some info on natural calmers, youcan find them probably in a pet store, if not at drsfostersmith.com

serene-um
Soothes and calms pets
Multi-vitamins, minerals, and amino acids make these tablets invaluable for anxious or uneasy pets. Excellent when traveling, during fireworks, storms or whenever you need to take the "edge" off your pet. Tablet can be given directly or crumbled easily into food. For dogs and cats. Available in packages of 30 or 100 tablets.

Rescue Remedy

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* Calms uneasy pets
* Natural stress relief
* Easy to administer

This formulation of flower essence can help pets relax in stressful situations, such as travel, thunderstorms, or just going to the veterinarian's office. Each bottle contains 20 ml.

Pet Calm

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A precise blend of herbs, vitamins and minerals helps your pet relax. Use when taking your pet to the veterinarian, on a plane, on a car trip, during storms, or in times of stress. For dogs and cats.

Honeybear


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posted 08-22-2003 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fleafly     Edit/Delete Message
An early morning flight without connections is the best. There are a lot of good resources on the internet about flying with dogs. Some tips I remember are:

-Put a card with your dogs name and personality on it. My mom did this, I think she put "Hi my name is Boo, I am very friendly" or something like that. Then the people can talk to you dog, and know how he will react.

-Put food on the dogs carrier just in case he gets misplaced, then someone can feed him. My cat carriers have little compartments on the top, they are very handy.

-Fix the door to the kennel so that it will not come break or come loose if the flight is loose. This also keeps everyone from opening the door to pet the dog. I think they suggested you tie it with a leash or tape. Something that could be removed in an emergency.

-Keep your pet with you as long as possible before the flight. This lowers the chance they will be sitting on the tarmac, or somewhere else hot.

-Let the flight crew know there is a pet on board. When my mom flew with her dog, she told the stewardess he was on board, and asked the stewardess to check with the ground crew and make sure he was put on ok and in the right place. They were very nice about it. I think the flight crew are pretty good about checking on the pets etc...

I would try a rescue remedy over a sedative. But you might want to give it to your pet a week or so before the flight, just to make sure he tolerates it okay. I can't remember any other tips right now.

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posted 08-27-2003 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maddie     Edit/Delete Message
My two year old lab has traveled overseas twice with our military family. Thankfully she is happy with life and doesn't seem too phazed by air travel. However, there are a few things that we have learned from vets and other military families. The suggestions posted here are really good, we have used SereneUm without much obvious effect. Our dog doesn't chew toys in flight and I won't give her regular rawhides (I give her small pressed rawhides) because she swallows the knots in huge pieces and I don't want her to choke. We freeze her water bowl so the water doesn't spill in transport and she seems to enjoy licking the ice as a distraction from the stress. Peanut butter in a Kong toy is also a favorite, our dog can't resist it even when there are distractions all around. If you get a chance before the flight, put your dog in the kennel so that it can become comfortable with it and even expose your dog to some noises similar to an airport, etc. Probably one of the best pieces of health advice we have received is to secure your dog's tags onto his collar with tape or rubber bands (try something that someone may still be able to read through). Especially with large kennels, the door and vent holes are a perfect size to catch tags. I have heard of people taking the dog's collar off, but I want some way to identify my dog if something should happen and she gets loose. Shop a second hand store for some sort of bedding that can be thrown away at the end of the flight-doormats with non slip bottoms work well for dog's traction on the slippery floor, I would guess that it makes them more comfortable as well. Try not to put the dog into the kennel until the last possible second, but some airports aren't very tolorent so it helps to train the dog to climb into the kennel when it is 10 or so inches off the ground-just like a luggage cart. I also stress when flying with my dog, but we have had only good experiences so far. I especially like the advice of a personality tag on the kennel...nothing would make my lab's day like someone saying Hello to her!

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lovemydog
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posted 08-27-2003 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovemydog   Click Here to Email lovemydog     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks so much for ALL your suggestions!! Flying day is Sunday. My community is a bit isolated and I haven't found any of the special remedies yet but a health food store owner told me he uses powdered ginger to calm his dog while flying--he says it makes the dog noticeably more docile. Couldn't find any info on that though, aside from it calming an upset stomach....but I guess at this point it's either that or sedatives, which I"m not keen on using. Anyway everyone has been so helpful, thank you!

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posted 08-27-2003 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
luvmydog, let us know how the trip goes.

Maddie - such wonderful tips. I like the one about putting a rubberized bath mat in the carrier. I have a medium size carrier I take my cat to the vet in and the poor thing slides all around since it is akward for me to carry. I am going to try that. And putting the dog in the carrier prior many times to get it used to the carrier, excellant!
Honeybear

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posted 08-27-2003 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
fyi, i've even seen Rescue Remedy at the grocery store. A large grocery store might carry it see the "health" aisle.

Wishing you luck for Sunday

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