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johnnhud
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posted 07-09-2003 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnnhud   Click Here to Email johnnhud     Edit/Delete Message
Hey guys, just to let you know, the puppy I found on Sunday is doing a lot better. I have been feeding him and bathing him and he's feeling good and has a lot of energy. Yesterday I fed him some dewormer and was VERY surprised at how many he passed. Other than his shots, the only thing I think that is wrong with him is mange. His mange is really bad. Both ears have no hair and he is missing prolly 60% oh his hair all over his body. I know there are different kinds of mang and I think he has the worst kind. Any advise on helping my new found pup get rid of mange?

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iluvmypup

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posted 07-09-2003 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iluvmypup     Edit/Delete Message
i'm so happy your puppy is feeling better about mange i don't know. you could see if the pet shop has something for it.

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LivinLabs
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posted 07-09-2003 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LivinLabs   Click Here to Email LivinLabs     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, good to hear your pup is doing better!
As for the possible mange... I agree with the person who already suggested a vet. Mange is not something to "play" with. Its transferable to people, other pets...etc. A vet should be your only option here.

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Jas

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posted 07-10-2003 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
First thing I would do is get his immunity built up. I would not get his shots yet, since they should never be given to a dog who is not in perfect health. Do you know what type of mange it is? THis should be determined (by a vet) first and usually a course of antibiotics is necessary (cephalexin) (sp?).

Its great that he appears to be doing better!

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puttin510
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posted 07-10-2003 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puttin510     Edit/Delete Message
Certain types of mange are so hard to get rid of that they sometimes have to be put down and out of their missery. I saw on the pet cop show a great dane had it over 90 percent of its body. Vet said that with the type of mange it was it would never go away. Johnnhud: I think I saw a product online by the name of Happy jack, you could do a search. My dog had a small amount of mange, we think and it took three dips at the vet to get rid of it. Each time it was over $100 Now if it was the type that you can't get rid of I could have him dipped till I'm blue in the face and it will come back. I will try and find that product for you. I found it after I went thru the mange thing with my dog. The reason I said I think he had mange is because when you have a dog and kepp him clean the mites are very hard to detect on a clean body.

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puttin510
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posted 07-10-2003 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puttin510     Edit/Delete Message
Ok I found it, but it says not to use it on toy breeds or dogs must be at least 4 months. I don't know that this will be helpful but here is the site http://redhillgeneralstore.com/a51764.htm

There were other sites but this one was a few bucks less. Maybe it can be helpful to someone else.

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puttin510
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posted 07-10-2003 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puttin510     Edit/Delete Message
Hmm, I just clicked on that and its not coming up. Any way just do a search for Happy Jack Enduracide Dip and you will find it ok.

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danelover
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posted 07-10-2003 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for danelover     Edit/Delete Message
John try these sites on Mange.
Hope they help. http://www.kindnessclub.nb.ca/pets/fleas.html http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/dem.html http://www.doggroups.com/breeds/item/20 http://www.canismajor.com/dog/mange1.html

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rgyoung777
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posted 07-10-2003 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgyoung777     Edit/Delete Message
LivinLabs,
Not all types of mange are contagious. Generalized or Localized Deomodectic Mange is not contagious, and may be what this puppy has.

All dogs have Demodectic mites living on them at all times, but most have immune systems that are strong enough to keep the mites at bay. In very young animals or animals that have surpressed or weak immune systems, the mites can get the upper hand.

Demo mange is tough to treat, but can be beaten.

Sarcoptic mange (scabies) is contagious and transmittable.

Johnhud, you will need to take this pup to a vet to have a skin scraping done. The scraping will tell the vet what kind of skin condition the pup has, and how to proceed from there.

It's great that people are being so helpful with advising particular treatments, but when dealing with serious medical conditions, perhaps other posters should hold off until a vet has properly diagnosed the problem.

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johnnhud
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posted 07-11-2003 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnnhud   Click Here to Email johnnhud     Edit/Delete Message
I would like to thank everyone for their advise for the little stray I found. He seems to be much happier and now that we have helped him get back on his feet, he won't leave my side! When I have him the puppy wormer I had to tie him up outside because I dont have a fenced yard or a kennel. He didn't like it and 15 minutes later he had chewed through the rope and was curled up beside my back door. I guess he just wanted to be close. I will look at possiably taking him to the vet when I get some $$$. Untill then I am going to try to learn about his conditions and get advise from vet's and people like you all. BTW, I decided to call him "Bowzer", so now he has a home, a name and someone to take care of him. That's a whole lot to gain in just 6 days. ;-)

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rgyoung777
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posted 07-11-2003 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgyoung777     Edit/Delete Message
johnhud,

If the puppy you found has a serious skin condition like mange that has caused most of his hair to fall out, he needs to be assessed by a veterinarian immediately.

If you can't afford to take him to the vet, you might want to consider contacting a rescue or animal shelter near you.
In order to diagnose the problem, a skin scraping is imperative before you begin trying treat the condition. Please take this pup to a vet asap!

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rgyoung777
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posted 07-11-2003 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgyoung777     Edit/Delete Message
johnhud,

I would love to help you, but I have devoted a large portion of my income to my own dog.

Your puppy has a serious (but treatable) medical condition. He could die if you don't take care of it soon.

You did a good deed by taking him in, but if his needs are proving greater than your means, then perhaps you should reconsider your decision to open your home to him.

As I am sure you are aware, puppies are usually quite expensive to care for. This pup, even if it were completely healthy, will need regular vet visits for the rest of its life, just as humans need regular doctor visits.
Then there is the cost of feeding him, getting him toys, obedience training, having him neutered... Are you sure you are ready to take on all of that financial burden?
Again, I'm sorry I can't help, but please find a way to get this puppy the medical care he needs. If you can't, please call around to local rescues and shelters to see if perhaps THEY can take him in, give him treatment, and find him a good home.

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johnnhud
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posted 07-11-2003 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnnhud   Click Here to Email johnnhud     Edit/Delete Message
First of all, my dog is not my child. He is a dog. An animal. While I do have compassion for the little guy, I beleive that I am capable of keeping him and curing him without the help of a vet. I am planning on getting him his shots and taking care of him. I have had many dogs before, taking few if any to the vet, (One was hit by a car and the vet helped fix some broken bones) and ALL of the dogs I've owned have lived long and healthy lives. I think that my finances would be better spent taking care of my own family rather than some stray dog I picked up off the side of the road. I am asking for advise on Mange. Not if I should take him to a vet or not. Thank you for your postings anyway though.

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rgyoung777
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posted 07-11-2003 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgyoung777     Edit/Delete Message
You need to take you dog to a vet to at least have a skin scraping done. This will identify the type of mite your dog has, and will help you determine the course and type of treatment.

Once you have the diagnosis, you may be able to treat the problem on your own. But you will have little luck treating the problem if you don't know what it actually is.

No, your dog is not human, but it does need to see a vet. The vet can give you a prognosis (sometimes generalized demo. mange is so bad that the dog needs to be euthanized) and reccommend treatment. You don't have to buy the medication from the vet.

Again, this is a serious medical condition. While you may not see the necessity of taking a healthy dog in for regular checkups, surely you understand the need for a consultation with a vet when something serious comes up. This is serious!

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goob
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posted 07-11-2003 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
You asked for advice on your pup's problems, and you got it. There are two types of mange, Demodeptic mange (sometimes referred to by people as "red mange" or "demo") and Sarcoptic mange (sometimes referred to as "scabies". Only a vet can confirm which type it is, and only a vet can tell you how to treat it safely, ESPECIALLY since you don't know what breeds he's comprised of (some breeds can have serious or fatal reactions to the treatments normally used for curing mange). Mange IS a serious problem, yet is also treatable, but if not done properly, the treatment itself can kill a dog. It was extremely caring of you to save the pup from the street, but if you're not willing to use part of your finances on giving him vet care that is NECESSARY for his well being (or even to check into free/low cost care clinics), then possibly he would be better off if you placed him with someone else who will.

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johnnhud
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posted 07-11-2003 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnnhud   Click Here to Email johnnhud     Edit/Delete Message
Inappropriate posting.

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rgyoung777
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posted 07-11-2003 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgyoung777     Edit/Delete Message
How about you take the dog to a shelter?

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rgyoung777
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posted 07-11-2003 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgyoung777     Edit/Delete Message
I just called a local vet to see what an exam and skin scraping would cost. The grand total? Less than $60.
You can't afford to spend $60 to save the life of a living thing? A living thing that will give you years of love, loyalty and companionship in return? How sad.

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johnnhud
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posted 07-11-2003 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnnhud   Click Here to Email johnnhud     Edit/Delete Message
Edited by admin.

Inappropriate posting.

Johnnhud, this is your first and only warning.

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