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seabiscuit
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posted 06-04-2003 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seabiscuit     Edit/Delete Message
Our 13 yr. old doxie coughed once or twice two days ago. No other symptoms. Had been playing, running, eating, showing no signs of ill health.
Today, he was coughing more and his breathing was labored.
We took him to vet. Xrays showed heart grossly enlarged, with massive pleural effusion.
They said he's in heart failure...They put him on oxygen and told us to call back later.
We know this is a grim prognosis, but are there meds nowadays for heart failure in dogs, as there are for humans?
We don't want any suffering or grand heroics, but would like to know what options are available these days . The vet will probably explain all to us later but in the meantime, we're so scared and upset waiting.

Please help with any info if you can...

sea xxxx

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posted 06-04-2003 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
I am so sorry to hear about yoru dashscund, you can treat it depending on the condition, here is something I pull up the web. I also just watched an episode of animal planet where a daschund had heart failurem even though it was incurable they were able to put him on meds that would give him a good life however long that may be. I would push your vet to pursue meds,

Good Luck - honeybear

Some dogs that become symptomatic from their heart disease develop fluid in the abdomen (ascites); others have episodes of sudden weakness or fainting that can result from irregular heartbeats or other complications.

Treatment for mitral insufficiency is tailored to the individual dog As long as no sign of heart failure develops, no treatment is necessary, although reduction of dietary salt intake is often advised. Again, there are many dogs with degenerative valvular disease that never progress to heart failure.
However, if heart failure develops, several medications and other strategies are used to control the signs. Since the disease is not reversible and heart failure, when it occurs, tends to be progressive, the intensity of the therapy (including the number of medicines and dosages used) usually must be increased over time.

Therapy is always tailored to the needs of the individual patient.

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seabiscuit
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posted 06-07-2003 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seabiscuit     Edit/Delete Message
Hi-
Update:
We lost our guy. He arrested 6 hours later and they couldn't bring him back. He had WALKED into that vet's office.
Massive heart failure...they tried everything.

What is so shocking is that he was totally asymptomatic until a couple of days ago, (but only a slight cough and even that was no more than 2X on each day) and he wasn't even showing any lethargy.... and it wasn't until the morning I made my post to you that his breathing was labored.

How can a dog be virtually asymptomatic and 6 hours later be dead?
And had there been any earlier signs we wouldn't have missed them , since Shakespare went everywhere with us, every day....including our office of work everyday!

Two years ago, a radiograph of his chest showed "slight" enlarged heart and they detected a "slight" murmur. We were told NOTHING at the time except that it was of "no medical significance" (HUH????) and that he was healthy and that we should simply keep bringing him in for regular check-ups, shots, etc.

So...that's what we did...tookhim for reg. check-ups but I realize now that the vet NEVER XRAYED HIS CHEST AGAIN. If he had, they probably would have found that the heart was progressively enlarging and that he was headed for trouble...that this was indeed mitral valve disease that would inevitibly lead to cardiac heart failure ( you can probably tell that I have been doing research in the last 24 hours). I have NOW learned that had we possibly started vasodilators and other meds while he still didn't have pleural symptoms/effusion we might have prolonged his life and avoided this horrendous crisis of true heart failure.

I know now that mitral valve disease (MVD) usually leads to eventual heart failure but I'm so angry at the vet for not informing us/ or taking it upon themselves to monitor his heart more closely over the past two years.

Our "boy" had a ticking time bomb in his chest, and drugs could have bought him more time, instead of having him go into CRISIS when it was too late.

Am I wrong?

We're bereft and devastated.

..I hope this helps and encourages anyone who might have a small dog diagnosed with heart enlargement and a murmur to insist on periodic xhest xrays to at least see if there is progression.

*****I would love to have your imput on whether you feel the vets were remiss in not informing us of the potential outcome of MVD and not monitoring his heart over the past two years.******

Honeybear-Thank you SO much for the info and your lovely words of compassion. Your thoughtfulness is unbelievably helpful at this time...

Love,
Seabiscuit xxxx

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ilovemypets

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posted 06-07-2003 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilovemypets   Click Here to Email ilovemypets     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know much about heart failure and vets checking it, but I'm very sorry for your loss. In days to come it will get better! I've lost 3 pets since march. I hope in time your find another little guy or girl to warm your heart! =)

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seabiscuit
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posted 06-09-2003 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seabiscuit     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Lyndsey for your very kind thoughts...
We're taking one day at a time...still in abject shock and grief, but I know in time it will start to ease...

Thank you!

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seabiscuit
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posted 06-09-2003 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seabiscuit     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Lyndsey for your very kind thoughts...
We're taking one day at a time...still in abject shock and grief, but I know in time it will start to ease...

Thank you!

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posted 06-09-2003 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jas     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Sea So sorry to hear of your loss. Losing a beloved pet is never easy. Thanks for sharing your story, and I am sure that it will help someone somewhere, if anything that it will make people seek to get a second opinion or look further into any health issue.

How wonderful that you were blessed to have him for 13 wonderful years!! Your post also teaches us that we never know what will happen & to cherish our loved ones now!

Respectfully,
Jas

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posted 06-09-2003 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeybear     Edit/Delete Message
I am so sorryto hear about ayour dachsi, pleae know that he is in doggie heaven.
I am glad I could be some assitance.
take care
Honeybear

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seabiscuit
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posted 06-11-2003 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seabiscuit     Edit/Delete Message
Once again Honeybear, thank you for being so kind, and thank you too Jas, for your incredible thoughtfulness.

You have all been amazing...

Love, Sea...xxxx

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posted 06-21-2003 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ArrOwAnA   Click Here to Email ArrOwAnA     Edit/Delete Message
i hope nothing happens like that to my 2yr old minature dashound and im sorry it happened to yours
hopefully youll get another nice pet

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seabiscuit
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posted 06-22-2003 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seabiscuit     Edit/Delete Message
ArrOwAnA- I hope your little doxie lives a long, happy healthy life....Just be vigilent with checkups, and shots as I'm sure you are, and remember that small breeds are particularly prone to mitral valve disease (esp. doxies) so if your vet EVER picks up a murmur, insist on a chest x-ray. If there is any indication of heart enlargement ask questions...what does this mean? Is there anything that I should be doing now?, What should I be on the lookout for in the future? etc.

If you or anyone else who reads my post learns anything from the death of my beloved Shakespeare, I'll feel he didn't die totally in vain.

Give your little one a big kiss on the head for me!

xxxx

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