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soldier
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posted 04-20-2003 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soldier     Edit/Delete Message
I have a small concern about my 8 month old dobe. He is a great dog, listens very well to us, when we are at home. We took him to the park the other day and he went crazy. Started barking and crying, and getting aggresive. We had to leave. I am sure it was all of the people and other dogs, but it was bad. And the thing about that is he goes to day care 5 days a week while we work. So he is around other dogs and people all of the time. Also he is very mean to our neigbors. They have only met him when he was a puppy. We have a big fence so he can't get to them, but their kid beats on the fence and barks at our dog, and he has done this to him since he was a puppy. Should we confront them about what the kid does? He is a very good dog but we cant take him to the park or for a walk he gets so wound up. And he hates when people walk by the house. I realize he is bred to protect, but it gets a little out of hand. Any advice from anyone? Will he grow out of it?

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Schutznut
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posted 04-21-2003 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Schutznut     Edit/Delete Message
Have you been to any formal obedience classes? IMO, when you own a large working breed, training should be lifelong. If his brain is bored, he'll make up games to play like: Eat the neighbor boy and Be the park Freak! LOL

Seriously though, I definitely would ask the neighbor to put a stop to the brat's teasing sessions. This could escalate into a very bad situation should the object of the dog's frustration ever present itself sans benefit of fence.

A truly well trained dog will be protective but will look to YOU, the leader, for when to be protective and when to be mellow. Trust me, you don't ever want to leave it up to the dog to decide...

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posted 04-21-2003 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
Hi!
Welcome to the board.

It concerns me a bit that this behavior is coming forth at 8 months of age, especially when the dog attend doggie day care 5 days a week.

1. You MUST get involved in an obedience class with your dog.
2. You MUST schdule a regular walking time with your dog EVERY day.
3. Bring your dog to the park, But DO NOT let the dog off the leash. You must correct bad behavior and in order to do that you must have the dog on a 6 foot leash and a choke chain or prong collar...Must have someone teach you how to properly use those training collars.
4. READ all you can about your breed.
5. Spend atleast 1/2 hour with your dog EVERY DAY playing any type of game. Hide and seek is a favorite of mine. Also,fetch or anything...gotta keep the dogs mind buisey.

Any questions feel free to email me. I have been through all kinds of training to deal with behavioral problems. I own a pit bull that is VERY dog aggressive...all undercontrol now....I'd love to share how!

P.S...gotta talk to your neighbours about the kid...your dogs gonna tear that kid to shreds *if* ever given the opportunity!!

You have lots of work to do with your dog...but no worries...little steps at a time and then you will have the bestes friend a human could ever ask for!

Cheers

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posted 04-21-2003 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soldier     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for all the ideas, they sound great. It worries me also that he is young and acting like this. He got kind of mad at a dog this morning at daycare, a dog that he is around all of the time. But he was not acting bad untill I reached down and paid attention to the other dog. I asked the guy when I picked him up about it, and he said there are other dogs that do similar to that, but It's just when there owners are around. Was your pitbull like that? About your ideas, we are starting classes in about 2 months. We play with him every night before he crashes out. We dont do walks because he gets so distraced with everything. I know classes will help that. Do you think the way he acts around other dogs, even though he is a daycare all the time could do with his breed? He is breed to protect. We love him pieces, but I want to walk around other dogs and him know its gonna be ok!!!! Give me any ideas or tips you have, we need it!

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posted 04-21-2003 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Schutznut     Edit/Delete Message
The key is to train him to focus on you, not his surroundings.

When you take him out, take some yummy treats with you and ramdomly call his name and when he looks at you, pop him a treat. When he gets the idea, you can try it before he gets full blown excited over something. If he is more interested in the distraction, give him a quick pop correction with the lead and then as soon as he looks at you like "What?" give him a treat. Keep it up and be consistant and he will see a distraction as an opportunity to earn a treat.

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posted 04-21-2003 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
Is this your first dog?

Anyhoo,

I was once discouraged...don't even compare your guy to my pit bull..he has genetics playing the lead for him...your dobe is not a dog fighter..what he is, is jelous simply because you do not spend enouph time with him.

Like I said, you MUST put aside time for your dog everyday..if you do not bad behavioral problems will arrise....such as the one you are now dealing with.

My main suggestion to you..SWITCH DOGGY DAY CARE FACILITY, ASAP...maybe there is one dog that is provoking him all day long...or maybe the people running the joint aren't good for him...who knows...but start by changing his day care....

Then...do not only get involved in Postive Enforcement...your dog Needs correction when bad behavior arrises.

Now, repeat after me "I can walk my dog anywhere because I control my dog"

When you go out you MUST have your dog on a leash and you must do training with him all the time. This will lessen, but all depends on how much time YOU spend training your dog....don't think that you can send it away to boot camp and the dog will come back obedient to you... YOU HAVE TO EARN the DOGS RESPECT...which is what you are lacking.

Don't worry...we all gotta start somewhere...good thing your doing it now and not waiting until your dogs 2 years old (that would be my stupid ass)....your problem is very controlable...your just gonna have to accept some "things" about your dog and respect what he doesn't like..unless you can change it or train it outta him......like I said...feel free to email me and we can discuss further.

Good job on getting yourself involved in Obedience...you'll thank yourself for it after!

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posted 04-21-2003 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soldier     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the post about the walking, we will try that. shmoopie, what is your email address?

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posted 04-22-2003 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Around 8-11 months, many dogs go through a "fear stage", where the formerly fearless pup may be afraid of his/her own shadow. From what I understand, most grow out of it, so just keep socializing, only with GOOD experiences. It could also be that he's starting to test his bounds, seeing what you'll let him get away with and what you won't. Definitely talk to the parents of the kid next door. His barking at strangers from inside the fecne may be similar to the situation that makes dogs "aggressive" to the mailman (and other delivery people)... they come, he barks and carries on while they're there, then they go away. Their leaving probably had nothing to do with his carrying on, but HE doesn't know that, and he'll think that aggression (starting off with barking/growling/posturing, and possibly progressing to biting) is the best way to get rid of that threat. There are ways to stop/lessen this type of behavior, and your obedience teacher should be able to give you some advice when you go there. The dog aggression very well may be genetic. I've heard from a couple dobie people that same sex dog aggression is common, more so in males than in females, though.

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posted 04-22-2003 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
shmoopie_1@hotmail.com

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