posted 04-20-2003 10:25 AM         

I however have a beautiful little malti-poo that i love dearly (even though she just reached up on the coffee table to get a permanent marker to chew on...caught her just in time) and i encourage anyone that wants to own an adorable little dog thats loveable, playful, cute, smart, and that does not shed to get one of these dogs. the only way you're probably going to find on though is to check the papers, you will not find one in the shelter. you can keep an eye out on this board because people post new litters from time to time but they usually get run off from the same rude people that are probably going to try and educate you on back yard breeders, puppy mills & pet stores. If you've read any of the previous posts on the board you'll see what i mean. there are also people on the board that know a lot and are very willing to help out with questions and problems so don't let the bullies run you off.

you didn't say what area you were in, you might want to add that info.

good luck in your search and welcome to the board!

[This message has been edited by jjami57690 (edited 04-20-2003).]

posted 04-20-2003 01:40 PM         

it would also be nice if the same views by the same people were not posted on every single solitary post where some poor person, usually someone new, unwittingly inquires about where to find a poo cross.

posted 04-20-2003 02:03 PM           

SUCCINCTLY PUT AND WELL SAID SCHUTZ. That sums it up!!!!!!!

But, I know we will continue to EDUCATE people for as long as it takes.

Don't feel sorry for these "new" people believe it our not some do want to learn. There are some people out there who are not ignorant and learn because they DO care about having a happy, healthy dog not bred by an unscrupulous breeder and that is a reward in itself!

For Maree, there is no such thing as a *purebred* malteseXpoodle. I Love mixed breeds, they are great pets, there are simply too many of them already, so ignorant breeders do not need to breed more. Contrary to whats been said there is nothing wrong with rescuing/adopting mixes. www.Petfinder.com has some wonderful mixes and you may even find the mix you desire. As the need for breeders to "breed" mixes to flood the market we will be seeing more and more of these mixes in rescue in due time.

posted 04-20-2003 03:33 PM         

Exactly my point. Thank you.
By educating people and letting them know this is NOT right, soon there will be no more demand.

If people would take good care of the animals that have already been born, that would be a good start. I have YET to see someone that claims to be a "Good" breeder of mixed breeds have anything but greed as thier intent. Care to show me examples otherwise?

posted 04-20-2003 04:18 PM         

when you search maltipoo message boards this board comes up several times, thats WHY a lot of people ask about these dogs here. maybe the administrator can get it removed from that search subject and save everyone concerned a lot of grief in view that its soooo offensive for everyone.

and JP--for someone that doesn't take the time or concern to become a registered member you have a lot to say...I don't have any problem with rescuing an animal from a shelter or adoption center. i have a shepherd/corgi mix that i rescued several years ago and we love him to death. and when i decided i wanted a small dog, specifically a poo mix i DID look in the shelters. they are NOT there. or if they do wind up there they do not stay unadopted for long.

i see nothing wrong with someone posting a litter for sale on the message board. everyone claims to "research" the people that adopt their puppies, all you "legitimate breeders of purebreds" out there. the bottom line is that your in it for the money. it is your line of work, it your business! if there wasn't money to be made you wouldn't be doing it and your not going to convince me different.

I fully support spaying & neutering. And if your looking for a family pet and specific breed does not matter to you, i fully support adopting from shelters. I've done that all my life. But if someone wants a new puppy, wants a specific breed or a specific CROSS-BREED than I support that too. that is the INDIVIDUALS business!

and schutznut--your more than welcome! the demand is there for a reason! i know many people with this particular mix. i have one, my daughter has one and several of my friends do as well. they are adorable and i recommend them to ANYONE that wants a small pet. while i fully support adopting animals from shelters there are some instances where that may not be a good idea. you talk about people not knowing what they are getting from a BYB....you often do not know what your getting from the shelter either. for example: my 4 year old corgi-shepherd mix that we adopted from the shelter was obviously kept outside before he came to us. we were not told before hand, possibly the shelter did not know either, they had no background on him. we discovered this only after he destroyed the carpet in front of the backdoor while we were at work when he was trying to get outside on a rainy day. we did not want an outdoors dog. any dogs we've had were part of our family. and while we've made sherman a part of our family by coming to an agreement that he comes in at night but stays out in the day, it hasn't always been easy. some dogs in shelters have issues that you may not be made aware of and a person may not be able to comply with those issues. had we been unable to supply sherman with a backyard we would have had to return him to the shelter. Had he been a dog that constantly barks that would have been a problem too. so there's something to be said with starting with a puppy and you should not belittle someone that wants to take part in the training of their pet. You people that monitor this board have no right to browbeat others for wanting to do so.

posted 04-20-2003 05:32 PM           

But Thank you jjami, you've given us a perfect example without even realizing it....your beloved mixed corgi shep. Where did this dog come from? Some "BREEDER", in fact an irresponsible one breeding mixes who didn't have the decency to take back this poor innocent dog, or at least stay in touch with the buyers before they dumped him off.

As I've stated before If poo breeders even had a clue how to establish their "new" breed properly, and took the time to spay & neuter, health test their breeding animals, and actually had a long term goal and committment to this "new" mixed breed then I would not have a problem. There IS a way to do this if these breeders were that dedicated. I do have a problem with shelters and rescues being inundated with more mixed dogs as this is what the future holds because of "trendy" new mixed breeds and irresponsible breeders. Like Schutz, I have yet to meet a "good" mixed breed breeder and have little doubt that such exists.

One characteristic of a good breeder is they have a waitlist and pups usually all sold BEFORE the breeding takes place, therefore no need to advertise all over the net & on message boards out of desperation to sell their mutts.

jjami says "the bottom line is that your in it for the money. it is your line of work, it your business! if there wasn't money to be made you wouldn't be doing it and your not going to convince me different."

Making the above blanket statement tells me you've no clue about breeding -- responsible or not. You've already proven your lack of knowledge, please stop with the comments before you make yourself look worse.

posted 04-20-2003 06:54 PM         

as for your registering i don't need to re-read anything, i know what it says. i just find it amusing that someone that is so, well, shall we say, outspoken doesn't register. to me it says maybe your just passing thru--which don't get me wrong, thats fine with me. are the people that read & post here supposed to be blown away with your superior knowlege? your high moral standards? your ability to completely overlook the topic of the post and not offer any knowledge or advise to the poster? which as i've said before is so freaking TYPICAL of you and your buddies that think like you that continue to beat this particular horse! your not saying anything different that hasn't already been said 100,000 times already, you all just enjoy seeing your words on the board and pissing people off! don't get me wrong, its been an entertaining afternoon for me too.

posted 04-21-2003 12:27 AM         

Unless you've held the ones that were too far gone to make it while thier suffering was finally ended by the only people who did not want to exploit thier bodies...

I refuse to listen to your selfish ramblings and it sickens me that people like you are encouraging others to support the cycle of greed and suffering.

posted 04-21-2003 12:35 PM            

i choose only the best maltese out there to be the stud.

this is a one time deal and will not start(what you call a puppy mill).

i'm a proffesional business person, that really dosen't need the money. i did it for my little girl, and to help others that might love this breed as i do.

i also have a pure breed golden retreiver. i love her to death and will not breed her.
she is going through behavour classes and will eventually be a bird dog.
o.h a hunting dog? yes, but she is not in a pen, nor in a shelter type envourment.

well thats about it..

p.s the puppies were all spoken for, but i found out that the person that wanted two of them. wasn't the person i thought they were. so i revoked the sale.

as you might have seen from a previous post i will not ship the puppies.

as for these so called real dog lovers, well you should buy a really expensive car and some cloths to go with that snobby attitude.

just my two cents..

posted 04-22-2003 01:17 PM           

quotes from jjami

"your an ignorant ass."

XXXXX Thank you jjami. Once again your displays of intelligence and kindness shine through. Call me what you like, doesn't bother me, but if you need to resort to such tactics to make your point you end up looking like the fool.

"...i'm more inclined to believe that my "beloved" shermans mom & dad got together because of careless owners that did not spay or neuter."

XXXXX Maybe, but anyone who has a litter becomes a "breeder" and i use that term loosely, they have a responsibility but many choose NOT to be responsible. Intentional or not a litter was born and pups were dumped off. This is the reality of owning or breeding mixes AND purebreds and is the same reality for the mixed poodle breeds. The "breeder" their dog came from was careless, they did not care to spend the time educating their buyers, nor did they follow up to see if their dog was cared for and altered. Now they too will have "oops" or intentional breedings and so shall we see a rise in # of dogs needing homes.

"so all in all my husband and i did a good thing for him and for us. why aren't you saying how wonderful we are for doing what you keep beating people up over?? i went to the shelter!! i rescued a dog!! comeon, wheres the kudos to me? you don't really care about that at all do you?"

XXXXX I'm sorry I didn't realize this thread was ABOUT YOU. But if you want a pat on the back sure, I have no problem with that, I am grateful that you did save a dog.

"are the people that read & post here supposed to be blown away with your superior knowlege? your high moral standards?"

XXXXX I'm sorry you feel threatened by my intelligence. I do have good standards.

"your ability to completely overlook the topic of the post and not offer any knowledge or advise to the poster?"

XXXXX I almost always offer some education, links or input.

"which as i've said before is so freaking TYPICAL of you and your buddies that think like you that continue to beat this particular horse! your not saying anything different that hasn't already been said 100,000 times already, you all just enjoy seeing your words on the board and pissing people off!"

XXXXXX I'll say them 100,000 times again if that what it takes. If you don't like my response don't read it. Simple solution. As for my "buddies" well these are people sharing my view, sorry you don't like it but too bad. They have a right to state their beliefs just as I do. There is logic and reason and experience behind our posts. I am not sure why you feel any opposing view to yours is wrong and I truly don't understand your logic.

"as for the poo-crosses becoming a true breed, who knows? who the hell cares?? the people that own them don't. the people that want them don't. i do not see why on earth it should bother YOU so much! i own one, i enjoy talking to other people that own one or want to own one. whats YOUR excuse for being in this post other than to start controversy?"

XXXXX Point proven.... who cares? obviously you don't, the only thing you care about is harassing anyone who disagrees with your mentality. I care. I care about now and I care about the wrath I will be cleaning up in 10 years. There are no laws to govern the health and breeding of our animals. Anyone can and WILL breed. Maybe there are the few breeders who take the poo breeds seriously but most are Joe Blows who breed anything they get their hands on because of a trend and chance to sell mixes for big $$. This is what I care about. If there are those seriously planning to establish the poo crosses even they won't like to see unscrupulous "breeders" wrecking what they are trying to establish. You claim to hate to see animals suffer yet are too busy being defensive and argumentative rather than see the reality--- they are suffering! The more people that buy mixes from breeders, the less people adopting from rescue and shelters. You are right about one thing, I've been forgetting to post my favorite educational links.

I'm sorry that your hatred for me takes over because I am sure you are a reasonable person who does care about the welfare of animals. www.petfinder.com
Dog owners Guide http://www.canismajor.com/dog/poodogs.html
http://dogladybarks.homestead.com/oodlesofdoodlesandlhasapoo.html

The backyard breeder http://www.netal.org/The%20Backyard%20Breeder.htm

posted 04-23-2003 10:06 PM           

Absolutely....,the snobbier the better (now now, just kidding to those who may take that literally)
heehee You can be my buddy anytime

posted 04-23-2003 11:12 PM           

"Now I didn't have time to read everyone of the post above but I did read several and can someone please explain why my puppy is going to suffer because he is not purebred??? I don't agree with you on this."

XXXXX Well please take the time to read before you reply, since you haven't read what you're disagreeing with.

Its not that your particular puppy will suffer (directly) because its not "purebred", its that irresponsible breeders are PURPOSELY breeding to create new mixes, and failing to health test & certify their breeding dogs. Any dog MIXED OR PUREBRED can and will suffer when the breeders are not breeding with the purpose to better their dogs, are not responsible, ethical, or HEALTH TESTING!!!! In addition to that they are flooding the market, so its actually the dogs right here right now in shelters who are alive (for now) and suffering because no one wants them. What the "innocent" "unsuspecting" buyer doesn't understand is that by purchasing a dog they are supporting such a breeders poor breeding practices. A good breeder doesn't breed for the "demand", they breed for themselves.

"I feel some of these people especially the breeders speaking out here are only mad because these mixed breeds are cutting into your pure bred profit."

XXXXX ANY breeder should not be breeding with the intent to profit, and few *dedicated* (key word here) breeders actually do profit. Why? Because it is expensive and time consuming to health test our dogs, to show them in conformation, and to properly whelp and raise a litter, where much of our time and money is spent. Do I mind? No, its my hobby NOT my job. I can't speak for anyone else but I "profit" off my daytime, non-dog job and ***I live for my dogs NOT off my dogs!*** I have waitlists for my pups well before I occasionally breed. The type of people looking for a poo mix are not the same "type" of people looking for my breed, so it really doesn't effect me as a breeder. On the other hand as a rescue worker it effects me, and rescue and shelters greatly!!!

What makes you think that by breeding mixes you get a better pup? Define better? By adding another dog to a pedigree, doesn't breed anything "out", what it does to is add in a lot of unknown variables to the gene pool..... unless the lines are well known and well researched but even that is not a guarantee. A "sickly" dog shouldn't be bred period.

posted 04-24-2003 01:06 PM           

Of course you do, no one is arguing that, and there is nothing wrong with a healthy informative debate, it can be a valuable learning tool. You can't make blanket statements about breeders, mixes and purebreds and expect that to sit well.