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SheltieBeaglePugMaltese
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posted 04-24-2003 02:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message
You said you wanted your pup to look like a natural dob??? Well he is natural the way he is. Doing the ears and docking the tails of dogs is not natural . Its what us humans do to make them look the way we want them to look. It is your puppy and I have no right to tell you what to do with him. Its just my opinion that I wouldn't put my dog through any unnessacary pain especially if he isn't a show dog. Good luck and I hope it works out for you and your dob.

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Doc Helladay
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posted 04-25-2003 11:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Schut...I totally agree with you on your opinion for a couple of reasons, since I have seen both the show end for years and how political they are: I totally turned against dog showing, I felt that due to AKC having to have their standards in which change the natural dogs appearances and with certain dogs having to have plastic surgery as I call it now..I feel its not right I feel its a (racket) just to make money then it goes on and on..People go over board and become addicted..But I found that people even though per say they were (show people) they had the right to breed and breed no different than a backyard breeder would do, its just people think "OH its show dogs that makes it all ok...Well its not according to my book..living in crates etc...well this is just a pet peave of mine..Dogs were put on this earth to be humans companions, not to put money in their back pocket or any association to make money because they are registered..WHAT a Crock" Now don't get me wrong I find nothing wrong with registered dogs. I just think its gotten way over rated!!!!
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JP
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posted 04-26-2003 01:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I am not a fan of cropping and docking, I feel it unnecessary show or pet.

I didn't think there were any disqualifications for not cropping ears in any AKC breed standards.

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GenDen
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posted 04-26-2003 09:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Dogs love us unconditionally. We can be overweight, underweight, young, old, bald, etc. Vanity is not an issue for them. They even love owners who are cruel to them. Why do we think that humans are the superior species?

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Trina
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posted 04-26-2003 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trina   Click Here to Email Trina     Edit/Delete Message
I came here to ask advise and mostly I have gotten put down and told off. Well I am sick of it all. I had Chopper's ears cropped the 24th, he came out of the vets office playing and acting like he always has. He is not in pain and I am NOT cruel. I have always said that dogs were BETTER than humans, HE does not hate me for this like most humans do. And I am happy with him now. And I NEVER expected or ask for ANY gurantee. Ear cropping is a personal decision and I am sorry that I ever came here asking Poodle and etc. owners ANYTHING about dobes. Chopper's ears was done by a very reputalbe vet and was done by laser. He is no worse for ware. And for the person who works for the vet. My advise to you is to find a differant profession, if you think it is so cruel and if you dont believe in what you work for. YOUR vet does it for the money the same as all of them, so dont give me this crap that he does it to SAVE the dog from "other" cruel people. Thanks to Pug and those of you that did not call me "cruel" but the rest of you can...........use your imagination. Chopper and me are happy and I can gurantee everyone of you that your dog is NOT loved any more than mine. Ear cropping is a "cosmetic surgery" not a "mutilation"! The only thing that Chopper is suffering from is not being able to go out and rough house my golden retriever, he misses that but he is not suffering.

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doc helladay
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posted 04-27-2003 12:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I dont know bout poodles..but I had one of the best lines of dobermans (Mark-Tey) I am including a link...she is very well known in the dog world and has books out..I learned everything I know from her as a friend from years back and I had the honor to even own one of her dobermans..on this page im sending to you..it has a place there with alot of info..about ears after etc...Also there is a place there for her book..I hope you will enjoy this link..and I wish you and chopper well. http://dobermanpages.com/
Doc~2003 As far as my dog world...it has been Dobermans-Chi's-Minature pinshchers
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goob
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posted 04-27-2003 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Most vets aren't taught ear cropping methods in vet school... it's something they either learn on their own, or don't learn at all. So it actually wouldn't be too insane for a person to not like cropping, yet still be a vet tech. It could also be that they were indifferent, then saw the procedure while working at the vets, and decided that it was too much to put a dog through.

I'm curious as to why you would adopt a natural eared pup when there are plenty of pups out there to adopt that are already cropped? And what are you going to do if after all this, his ears still don't stand properly? Would you still respect him then? We have one cropped dog here, and several uncropped dogs (though only one is of a breed that is sometimes cropped). The cropped dog was that way when we got her, and though I do think that some dogs look nice cropped, it's not something that will affect my entire outlook on a dog, so not something I'd put them through. If you have a hard time respecting a puppy with floppy ears, what are you going to do when he's old and gray? Or if he develops some sort of health problem that affects his appearance? Will he lose your respect then, too?

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soldier
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posted 05-01-2003 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soldier     Edit/Delete Message
If you like the look then do it! By doing this the Doberman has his traditional look!

[This message has been edited by Auspetian (edited 05-01-2003).]

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Trina
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posted 05-01-2003 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trina   Click Here to Email Trina     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Soldier. Aparrently I used the wrong word when I used "respect". Everyone seems to think this is cruelty but what is the difference in spaying or any other elective surgury? Chopper is doing fine and acts as if he was never in any pain. I guess we will see the results in a few months. Just want everyone to know that I love him no matter what, and GOOB, I have heard enough from you, dont need or want your advise anymore. My original question was about CROPPED EARS STANDING, NOT what people thought about the subject of cropping in general.

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goob
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posted 05-01-2003 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
First, if you had actually READ my post, you would have realized it wasn't even addressing the things in your first post, as others had already done that. It was about the remark you made about people who work for vets, but don't advocate cropping; and the fact that you adopted a 1/2 grown dog that wasn't even what you wanted. The difference between cropping and spaying is that spaying (or neutering) benefits the dog's health by reducing the risk of several types of cancer, and eliminates the chance of the dog developing pyometra(as well as preventing unwanted pups/dogs from being PTS due to lack of homes); whereas cropping does NOTHING for the dogs health, and is done merely to make the dog "look" nice. One is beneficial, the other is not. Simple.

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PITBULL_PRINCESS1979
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posted 05-01-2003 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
Like Goob said,there is a big difference in having a dogs spayed and having their ears cropped.
It is your dog and your choice to have that done to him.You talk about how he acts like he is in no pain.Okay, maybe he is not right now,but how are you going to feel when he has ear problems and is truely in REAL PAIN?

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Trina
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posted 05-03-2003 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trina   Click Here to Email Trina     Edit/Delete Message
Everyone of you can just keep your opinions to yourselves, you are all probably a bunch of back yard breeders that think you know it all. Got news for all of you, I do CARE about my dog, but I could care LESS about any of you, so for those who just like to cause trouble and dramatize everyones questions at this forum.....grow up, and go look in the mirrior. For those of you who give true advise and not just based on opinion, keep up the good work.

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Lowell
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posted 05-09-2003 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lowell     Edit/Delete Message
My wife and myself have recently bought a min pin at 8 weeks of age, and were thinking of getting the ears croped, but I have seen several mentions here about croped ears and the posibility of something happening to them later on in life. I am assumeing that it is ment as some type of ear infection mabey?

If any one could elaborate more that would be wonderful, as I have not run accross any info about anything like this during my research on croping.

THX

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goob
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posted 05-09-2003 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Cropping, if done properly, does nothing (either positive or negative) to the dog's ear health in the long run. Ear infections will happen in both cropped and uncropped dogs (some say they happen more in drop earred dogs, though from everything I've seen, it happens in all earsets), and seem to be related more to genetics (some dogs ear canals are "formed" in ways that make them more likely to have ear infections than others) and environment (it seems that problems are more common in humid areas, where the ears stay moist inside and can get yeasty). So, no, cropping shouldn't affect the over health of your dog's ears, unless something goes wrong with the actual cropping. My cropped dog had a problem over the winter with the cartilage in her ears rubbing through the skin around the edge where it was cropped, and she had a lot of scabbing on them that took care and time to clear up. Her ears aren't a very good crop, though, and were probably either done by an inexperienced vet, or an owner who didn't want to pay out for the crop.

If you do decide to crop, it's best to do it before 12 weeks, especially with a breed that normally gets a long crop. Make sure that the vet you go to is experienced in cropping your breed, and ask to see pictures of other adult dogs (of your breed) that they've done. Look around and see what style crop you want, then show that to the vet so they know exactly what you want. Keep in mind that you'll have to do a lot of taping, bracing, etc to get the ears to stand, and that will probably require at least a few vet visits. And there's still no guarantees that the ears will stand properly.

Edit: Forgot to mention, if your vet will let you, watch a cropping before you decide to have your dog done. That way you'll really know if it's something you want to do to them or not (not being sarcastic about that, either ).

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Lowell
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posted 05-09-2003 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lowell     Edit/Delete Message
Great, thanks Goob.

We are fortunate enough to have several good vets in our area, but if we do decide to get it done, would using a laser to have the surgery done be better for the dog? There is a HUGE price difference between the 'normal' method of croping and laser, so I just want to be sure that I wouldnt be paying for something that is not necesary. If it will promote a quicker healing time and less stress on us and the pup, then I will gladly pay the extra bucks for it. ($85 for regular croping vs. $225 for laser)

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