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jlong Member Posts: 23 |
posted 04-09-2003 07:55 PM
What type of dog food do you all suggest I use?? Right now I am feeding my pug puppy chow and my boxer pedegree. Is there any other kind out there that is better but for around the same price?? IP: Logged |
fluff N poofed unregistered |
posted 04-09-2003 08:00 PM
Exceed, which can be purchased at sams, is comparaible in price, but a heck of alot better in nutrition. I always suggest, Bil-jac, proplan, or eukanuba as the basic three commercial brands that seem to do best. IP: Logged |
danelover unregistered |
posted 04-09-2003 09:31 PM
There are many good foods out there,,just to name a few EaglePack Back To Basics Canidae Natural Balance A good human grade dog food will not be found in a grocery store,or chain pet stores.All of these can be found in small pet stores, except Natural Balance you can get in Petco. IP: Logged |
PITBULL_PRINCESS1979 Member Posts: 414 |
posted 04-10-2003 01:05 PM
I feed my pups..Puppie Chow,and my older dogs Dog chow...I also like IAMS and Science Hill Diet. IP: Logged |
shmoopie Member Posts: 361 |
posted 04-10-2003 01:14 PM
I firmly stand behind "Solid Gold" products. A bit pricier, but well worth it IP: Logged |
danelover unregistered |
posted 04-10-2003 02:08 PM
Solid Gold,, that's another great food,, there are many. IP: Logged |
danelover unregistered |
posted 04-10-2003 02:38 PM
Do You Know How To Read A Pet Food Label?
The first question I ask myself is…Does it contain BHA, BHT or Ethoxyquin. These will be found in the lower category of the listing. These chemicals are used as preservatives in order for the pet food to remain on store shelves for a length of time. These preservatives are found to be cancer causing agents in our pets. BHA and BHT are chemical equivalents to formaldehyde, which is used as an embalming fluid along with other with preserving other things such as your paneling in your den. Ethoxyquin is a pesticide. Some labeling will use fancy wording to "trick" the consumer in to thinking it is a safe product. "Formalin" is used to disguise the word formaldehyde. Propylene Glycol is the same as anti-freeze. Now, would you really want to feed these ingredients to your pet? The best preservative used is tocopherols (vitamin C and E). This is a good source of antioxidants and fatty acids, which are essential to a healthy pet. The only problem is the shelf life of the food is not as long but will keep the food fresh for 6 months in an unopened bag. Always check the expiration date listed on the bag. After researching the BHA and BHT possibilities, I then look at the first ingredient. Is it a meat, rice or corn? Remember, what ever is listed first is the main ingredient in this pet food. If it is listed as Corn, then the main ingredient is corn over any meat, poultry or vegetable product. If a meat product is listed first, second or third, this is where it gets confusing. It can be listed as meat, poultry, beef, lamb, fish, beef by-product, chicken by-product, lamb by-product, poultry by-product or meat meal, beef meal, lamb meal, chicken meal, turkey meal or fish meal. It all sounds good to you doesn’t it? This food has a meat source listed first so that means it has a higher meat content than anything else. Nothing can be farther from the truth! If the word "meat" alone is used it means: it can contain tongue, heart, esophagus, diaphragm, skin, nerves and blood vessels. Once processed this "meat" can loose 80% of the meat weight. You may think the meat is the number one ingredient but after processing it can fall into 4th, 5th or 6th place on the ingredient list because now it contains mostly water. When the label reads By-products the actual definition of that is: it can contain any part of the chicken, cattle, lamb or fish to include lungs, kidneys, stomach intestines brain, ect. There is no real meat involved, but in simple terms... any inside part of the animal. The BEST meat source is Meat Meal. It does not contain any foreign matter but does contain the real meat of the animal. After processing you end up with a true meat weight as most of the moisture is removed. Do not be fooled with the wording Poultry By-Product Meal, as this is ground parts of the chicken or turkey that include undeveloped eggs, intestines, neck and feet. Look for chicken meal, beef meal, lamb meal or fish meal. Be careful of poultry meal. I find this is not clear enough as to what poultry are being used. If your pet should be allergic to chicken, there would be a cause of concern, due to not clearly specifying which poultry it contains. Next I look at the following ingredients. Does it contain corn? Corn is a major filler ingredient in pet foods. It has no nutritional value but will make your pet feel full and can cause numerous skin problems and gas problems. Corn is the cause of many allergies in our pets, so I advise to stay away from corn. You do not want more than two carbohydrates included. Carbohydrates are important but some foods can contain excessive amounts, which raises the sugar level. If more than two are used, it raises the concentration level so high that it can now becomes the number one or two main ingredient while pushing your meat source down a few notches. The reason your puppy could be acting like a wild indian might be due to the fact that he/she is on a sugar high. Grains such as rice, barley, wheat products, flour, millet, ect., are important for fiber content but can also be over used as fillers. These grains are necessary for a healthy digestive system but excessive amounts are unnecessary and can add to the carbohydrate list. A lot of these grains are equal to cereals which are just fillers. Fruits and vegetables are just as important for your pet as they are for you. They are an excellent source of antioxidants and provide for a healthy immune system. It does not matter where they are located on the food label as long as they are listed. Probiotics added to the food provide natural enzymes and friendly bacteria to aid in digestive process
What preservatives are being used?
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nern Member Posts: 473 |
posted 04-10-2003 07:28 PM
danelover said: "You do not want more than two carbohydrates included. Carbohydrates are important but some foods can contain excessive amounts, which raises the sugar level. If more than two are used, it raises the concentration level so high that it can now becomes the number one or two main ingredient while pushing your meat source down a few notches." I disagree with this...several of the foods you listed above have more than two sources of carbs. More than 2 sources of carbs doesnt neccessarily = tons of carbs. Some foods use only one or two sources in larger amounts while others use a variety of sources but in smaller amounts of each source. There are many foods out there that use a variety of carb sources but do not have a high percentage of total carbs. 100% - 24% - 15% - 10% - 3% - 7% = 41% Just my 2cents IP: Logged |
nern Member Posts: 473 |
posted 04-10-2003 07:43 PM
jlong - Here is a link that may help you choose: http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=689 A few poor quality ingredients to avoid: IP: Logged |
Malteseof2003 Member Posts: 99 |
posted 04-11-2003 08:17 PM
I like Science Diets... I'm not sure how much more it is than your current one, or if it even is more. But, I know it is good! IP: Logged |
Schutznut Member Posts: 32 |
posted 04-21-2003 05:51 PM
Great info Danelover! Thanks for taking time to post all that! One question I always ask myself... Science Diet=CORN I feed Solid Gold and Canidae. (2 dogs on Canidae, 2 on SG.) IP: Logged |
nern Member Posts: 473 |
posted 04-21-2003 07:08 PM
Schutznut you said: < Well, you certainly don't see them grazing on brown rice, oats or barley either. While Im not a fan of the many cheap foods that use corn and lots of it...there are some high quality brands that also use corn (not as the main ingredient of course).... Back To Basics is one brand that comes to mind - contains corn but not tons of it and is a great food. IP: Logged |
Fluff unregistered |
posted 04-21-2003 09:26 PM
I think the origional post was inquiring aboiut an inexpensive dog food, comparable in price to Dog chow (or something). Any how...that is why I posted the dog food that I did...its comparable in price and a heck of alot more nutritious. IP: Logged |
Schutznut Member Posts: 32 |
posted 04-21-2003 11:15 PM
Touche' Nern! They do munch on seed grasses though and eat the grains that are in the intestines of the animals they eat, eh? Let's see a dog food that advertises that! Eeeew! "Plenty of Meat protein! Gut grains rich in micronutrients! Buy new Mother Nature's road kill dog food!" LOL IP: Logged |
Doc Helladay unregistered |
posted 04-21-2003 11:29 PM
For those of you that might use Iams you might want to watch this video: http://www.peta-online.org/feat/iams/video.html Doc~2003 IP: Logged |
nern Member Posts: 473 |
posted 04-22-2003 12:11 AM
Schutznut said: < - Hey,I used smilies to indicate the tone of my post. LOL. < I agree. < Hmmm...wonder if something like that would sell? LOL. IP: Logged |
nern Member Posts: 473 |
posted 04-22-2003 12:14 AM
Oops...sorry, not sure why my above post came out that way. IP: Logged |
Schutznut Member Posts: 32 |
posted 04-22-2003 01:16 PM
I could swear I used a smiley too. Now where did that little F%*^# go? IP: Logged |
SheltieBeaglePugMaltese unregistered |
posted 04-24-2003 01:20 PM
well on the food issue. I am running into a problem. My puppy I just got 2 weeks ago is on pedigree puppy which I hate. My pug is on Purina ONE lamb and rice (per vets reccomendation)because he had skin problems on purina puppy which he was on when i got him.My sheltie and beagle is on eukanuba just switching to adult variety. Now I am getting really sick of buying different dog foods. They are all on what their breeder started them on except the pug and he is still on the same brand just the lamb and rice variety. I don't like pedigree at all but the pup is only 12 weeks and the breeder said what ever I do don't switch his food this young so i am wondering if someone would give me advice on the best one to switch all of them too??IS it ok to switch a young pup. Everything I read says to keep them on the food they were on with the breeder. WE almost have a warehouse of dogfood around here ( just kidding but almost)I hadn't even thought to ask this until I saw this post. Now I am keeping the pug and the maltese mix on puppy foods no matter what brand we switch too. IP: Logged |
Noel19 Member Posts: 10 |
posted 04-24-2003 05:07 PM
Feeding Pedigree is like feeding Old Roy to your dog. It's horrible for their digestive track and it makes them poop continously. I have a family member who works for Iam's and Eukanuba she works in the research labs. She says that if you want to feed something that is cheaper but better Purina is the way to go. My dogs eat Purina Healthy morsels for puppies. The vet said that their coats look great and they are very healthy he was impressed that they were getting this from Purina and recommended that I keep feeding it. I would never feed a dog Pedigree or Old Roy IP: Logged |
PITBULL_PRINCESS1979 Member Posts: 414 |
posted 04-24-2003 05:26 PM
I have always feed my dogs Purina.I have just started them on the Purina One for puppies and my adults get the lamb and rice.They love it !!! IP: Logged |
trueleeblessed2003 unregistered |
posted 04-25-2003 10:05 AM
To H*** with IAMS. Will never by IAMS, thanks for the video info DOC! IP: Logged |
puttin510 Member Posts: 616 |
posted 04-25-2003 09:30 PM
I have been hearing this awful news about Iams/Eukanuba but a while now, today is the first time I could finally get the pictures to show up. It makes me sick. When I first got my dogs those two brands were some we tried. I stopped using them a long time ago. If I was still using them, I would boycott them from now on. I would never buy any foods from a company the hurts animals like that for their personal gain. Anyway, My terrier had itchie skin so I moved onto Avoderm, no luck. Then onto Innova. My dogs love it and no more itchie skin. There are alot of very good brands out there, so weed them out. About changing foods. I have not had a pup in the family for years. My terrier was 1 year old when I got him. But my question is this. When you adopt a puppy at the shelter, you never know what they were fed previously. I have never heard of one dieing because of new food. Why not change it if it is a better food? Of course do it slowly, mixing the two. Even an older dog may get a bit of the runs when food gets changed. Just a thought. IP: Logged |
baby-snickers Member Posts: 106 |
posted 07-29-2003 07:04 PM
get kibble and bits its the best for a small breed IP: Logged |
RottyMommy Moderator Posts: 343 |
posted 07-31-2003 03:59 AM
Iams / Eukanuba and Science Diet are junk. Iams has been reported for cruelty in animal testing labs, putting false labels on their bags, let alone their product is junk. Science Diet is junk too but people buy it cuz vets recommend it. Vets only recommend it cuz they get a kick back to what they sell. For a commercial food Nutro is probably one of the best out there.That is what I fed my dogs until I put them on Solid Gold! NEver had a problem with either. Beautiful coats, healthy fill, Dogs looked great on both. I only switched to Solid Gold cuz I was able to find a distributor that I could get it from to close to what I paid for Nutro. But either food is excellent just depends how much you want to spend. IP: Logged |
Maisey Member Posts: 309 |
posted 07-31-2003 09:52 AM
I agree RottyMommy, I wouldn't feed any of those either, I did alot of research a couple months ago and came up with several brands that I like. Canidae, Innova, Wellness..there are too many good brands out there with quality ingredients. I am currently paying $40 for a 40# bag, thats $1 a pound and I just don't think spending a buck a pound is all that bad. My dogs eat less on these better quality foods and they poop less! JMO. I would never feed Science diet!(and I have a dog the vet prescribed Science Diet for)I researched until I found a food that had the same things in it that the SD did. A friend of mine just started feeding Chicken Soup For a Dogs Soul, it is a bit less expensive and I think the ingredients are pretty good. I am not completely against corn being in the ingredient list because my dogs don't have a problem with it, but there are much better choices. Here is a link to the Innova site, I like this link not because of the dog food it sells but because they have an "Ingredient Wizard" that allows you to read about all the ingredients you would find in dog food, even if it is not in their food. It was helpful to say the least. IP: Logged |
Maisey Member Posts: 309 |
posted 07-31-2003 10:10 AM
Here is the ingredient list for Chicken Soup for Dogs Soul... Ingredients: Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, turkey meal, whole grain brown rice, whole grain white rice, oatmeal, potatoes, cracked pearled barley, millet, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), duck, salmon, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, kelp, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, chicory root extract, carrots, peas, apples, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, chicory root extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, menadione dimethylpyrimidinol bisulfite (source of vitamin K activity), riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid. This is what the ad said: Fresh, Never Frozen, Hormone-Free Chicken is #1 The number one ingredient in ALL Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul brand dog and cat foods. We use only fresh, never frozen, hormone-free chicken as the base of our formulas to provide a more satisfying, healthier, wholesome meal for your pet. Go here to see the nutrition make up...I could not feed this to my prescription needing dog. What do you think about the protien amounts? pretty high??? http://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul.com/formulas.html
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nern Member Posts: 473 |
posted 07-31-2003 06:11 PM
Looks good to me I bought a 2lb. sample bag of the Chicken Soup and my dogs both loved it. I tried switching Sebastian to it but he would'nt eat it after a few weeks as usual so he's back on canned Solid Gold. Natalie is doing excellent on Timberwolf Organics so Im not interested in switching her for now but I may try it on her sometime in the future. My cats ate it (the cat formula of course) for 4 months and did well on it. I hate the name of it but it has good ingredients and its not too pricey. Its worth a try, IMO. IP: Logged |
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