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posted 04-06-2003 05:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I have a 14 month terrier mix who is really friendly but when I take her to the dog park she likes to play rough. She nip at the other dogs ears and tries to pin them down. I was told this is dominant behavior. She does not get vicious just plays rough. What can I do to stop this and will she grow out of this kind of playing when she gets older.

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shmoopie
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posted 04-07-2003 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
She will not grow out of it as she gets older if you ignor it. However, if you quickly address it as soon as she acts bad, then you will be teaching her that behavior is not acceptable. This is a dominant behavior...might be a good idea to let the other dogs teach her where she belongs in the pack. What breed of terrier?

Try picking her up *the second* she starts biting at the other dog and looking her directly in the eyes and saying "NO" very deep stern voice....or you can let dog be a dog and have the dogs she playing with teach her exactly where she belongs in the pack

Good luck

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jlong
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posted 04-07-2003 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jlong   Click Here to Email jlong     Edit/Delete Message
DO NOT INGORE THIS BEHAVIOR. I have seen in two cased where the same actions was ignored and later became a REAL BIG problem. You see once the dog thinks its ok to act so dominate over other dogs there is a chance it will try it on people.

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posted 04-08-2003 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
Dogs acting aggresivly towards people is completley different than dog to dog aggression or dominance. But do not ignor the behavior. Always address is as soon as it happens.

Good luck

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PITBULL_PRINCESS1979
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posted 04-08-2003 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PITBULL_PRINCESS1979     Edit/Delete Message
I will have to agree with Shmoopie on this one.Your dogs actions need to be corrected as soon as they are done.Once they think they can get away with it,it will be even harder to correct.

Good Luck

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puttin510
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posted 04-11-2003 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puttin510     Edit/Delete Message
Definatley get your dog to stop in his tracks. Just because its a dog park does not mean nothing bad can happen. Do what the others told you to do. Otherwise your dog will come up against another dog that won't back down. Then there will be major problems. But your dog does need to socialized, just watch him very carefully and stop him like the other have said. My Terrier mix 22 lbs. was minding his own business when a huge(did I say huge) monsterous Alaskan Maltamute 11 months old grabbed him and thru him. We all stopped any further bites. My dog suffered two punctures, one requiring 2 staples. A fractured rib. and a fluid pocket that needed fluid removed with a needle and warm compresses for a week. So it is better to watch your dog like a hawk. Oh and $600.00 later. The people helped pay of course. So watch him. Or another dog meaner than him may get to him.

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shmoopie
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posted 04-14-2003 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmoopie   Click Here to Email shmoopie     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, yeah Dog Parks are desasters waiting to happen!

Socialize your dog where owners have control of their dogs...try an obedience class.

Dog parks are no good.period

Last time I was at a dog park (without my dog of course) I saw so many disasters.

The first was a man with his 5 month old Germanshephard and an older man with two frieked out poodles....both men ended up threatening to kill eachother and displayed very aggressive behavior towards eachother because BOTH owners were being irresponsible.
Also, at the same dog park, people came with 3 large dogs, they left their dogs in the dog park, while they went all the way on the other side of the park to have a picnic, thus all three dogs were left completley un supervised...I HATE DOG PARKS

Try socializing a different way....just my opinion tho

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posted 09-12-2003 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shade     Edit/Delete Message
I know these messages were posted quite some time ago, but I stumbled onto them by "googling" "dog aggression towards other dogs" because I have a really, I mean REALLY big problem on my hands and it's wearing me out. We adopted Samson from the pound back last April. He's a 150 pound Rottie-mix. He was fine with other dogs in the pound and when we got home, he made nice instantly with the neighbor dog. But a week or so later when he realized this was his home...his territory, it became impossible to take him for a walk! This is a huge dog-lover's town. Almost everyone has a dog! But Samson always freaks completely out when he sees another dog! He still gets along with the neighbor dog, but he's a very strong animal, and bigger than 99% of the dogs I see. He's pulled me off my feet twice now. It's no kind of life for a dog who can't go on a walk, and I've read a bunch of books on being the dominant one, not letting him be, and yet I am beside myself! I don't know what to do anymore! Tonight I walked him in my uniform and tore a hole in the knee of my dress pants because he slipped out of his collar to go after another dog so I threw myself physically on him to keep him from getting the other dog. AUUUUHHHGGG!! I'm so upset over the last few months of this, of him freaking out, of me resorting to walking him at 4AM to avoid seeing other dogs, of him not being able to socialize with other dogs! I had to vent somewhere so my kids don't see me crying.

Thanks for "listening" and for any advice you have to give.

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posted 09-12-2003 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey   Click Here to Email Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Shade, I'm so sorry you are having to deal with this issue, it's not an easy one. I have a 9 month old Catahoula pup, he weighs 65 pounds already and is quite the tank. He has an alpha personality, he is not what I would call dog aggressive in the sense that he tries to fight with other dogs...but he does try to dominate, and he plays hard and rough. He loves to play with just about any dog, he likes them all, but he wants to play his way. I do not take my dogs to a dog park, for alot of reasons, but I do take them to many events that are dog related. We do flyball and sometimes agility with our Aussie X, and I always take my pup with so he is exposed to other dogs frequently. He is excellent on a leash, because I have done ton of obedience and leash work with him. I would suggest that you seek out obedience classes, if that makes you nervous, or you feel it wouldn't be safe to join other dogs in class, find a trainer and get a consult. I just had one with a trainer my flyball captain recommended, she specializes in dogs with aggression issues and has much experience.(my pup has people aggression issues that are starting to show...off leash he will go after people who approach me and is very protective) It cost me $60 for a one hour session with her. From now on I will be having 30 minute sessions at $30. I have done all the training with my dogs, always, but with this issue I just don't have the experience needed to address it by myself so I am going to someone who can show me how and what to do. Please don't give up on your dog... seek help and learn how to change his behavior. I would also like to recommend you try a Haltee or Gentle Leader, they will keep him from pulling you all over creation, when he pulls against the leash it will pull his head around to you, when he stops pulling it releases, which is his instant reward. It's not you pulling or jerking on him, he does it to himself and he will make the association between his action and the consequence and then the reward when he doesn't do it. Also, if he slips his collar, ask around about a Martingale collar, they use them on greyhounds, a dog cannot back out of one. (Iam looking into this one for my pup, as he is an expert at backing out of his collar!)
We have several friends that we do dog play dates with, we trade off hosting and do it a couple times a week. My pup has gotten his "butt kicked" a couple times by both of those dogs for playing too rough and not backing off when they warned him to do so, one of those dogs is a dashchund. The play is always supervised, but I have learned to let the dogs work it out sometimes, they are establishing rank and making him conform to some basic doggie manners. I know that my dogs issues have much to do with him being a puppy and I can read the dogs pretty well because they are dogs I have known for a long while, so I am able to know when to step in. He quickly figures out how far he can push and has learned to be respectful. I would not recommmend you try this until you have had a trainer evaluate your dog, and it may be that you will not ever be able to let him play with other dogs like that...but I am confident that the issues you described with walking him on a leash can be solved and you can be in control rather than being drug around. Hang in there, and let us know how things are going.

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posted 09-13-2003 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Maisey's advice is excellent (especially the part about finding a good trainer). One thing that should be mentioned about GLs and other head collars though is that they are NOT safe to use alone on a dog/human aggressive dog. Always have an extra collar on the dog, with the leash somehow connected to both so that if either the dog slips the HC or breaks it, you have a backup restraint. I've seen people use those "couplers", one hook on the HC, one on a buckle collar/prong/martingale, as well as the simpler, but still effective HC and oversized choke (with several inches of "excess", with the leash hooked to both. Yes, you run the risk of your dog getting a hard self correction if they do end up getting out of the HC and trying to bolt, but better than having them get at what they're after.

For my dog aggressive, collar slipping dog, I use a flat (buckle) collar in the yard, around the hosue, etc, then put on a chain slip collar as well for walks, and hook the lead to both. That way, if she slips the flat collar, I still have control over her, and if either breaks, again, I still have control. I do like the design of the martingales, but don't trust any collar with plastic parts (just one of my quirks), and have found none with metal hardware that I liked (most looked like they wouldn't safely withstand a 60 lb dog bolting to the end of the 6 ft lead at full speed, which doesn't happen often, but nonetheless, I want to be prepared for). I'm going to check around with a few collar makers, and see if I can't get one made to my specs, we'll see.

And here's my (non-trainer, non-expert) opinion on the dog aggression. We have 3 dog aggressive dogs... all have varying levels of dog aggression, but are dog aggressive nonetheless. The two who are more outward about their dislike of other dogs are Annie, our mini Dachshund, and Goo, the older of our two pit bulls. Both can control themselves when another dog walks past, or while we stand and talk to someone with a dog, but if a dog gets too close (for Goo, about 5 ft; for Annie, it depends on what we're doing, but 5 ft on average, closer if I had a chance to get her attention on me beforehand), it's on. Annie is by far the more controlled of the two, simply because it's easier to set up a 10 lb dog safely to work around other dogs than it is to set up a 60 lb dog, so she's gotten more work.

What I did was drill her on attention and obedience work... starting someplace with NO distractions, and staying there until when I gave her the command to focus, her beady little eyeballs were glued to my face, and stayed there until I released her. Once she had mastered the "looky" and other basic commands in a distraction-free zone, I added one small distraction, far away. Again, we worked attention until we were both sick of it, then some. I continued to add distractions, or move the current distraction(s) closer, and work her attention under the increasing distraction levels. Two rules... 1. you NEVER change increase distraction level at the same time you decrease distance. It may or may not be too much for the dog, not worth throwing away all the work to find out. 2. You also NEVER push the dog when it's not able to focus on you. If it's mind is on the distraction, rather than you, move farther away from the distraction. You want the dog to be at a distance where it can focus on you.

This way is NOT fast, so if you're looking for a quick fix, it's not for you (not saying you are, just a precaution to anyone reading). It has worked well for Annie, she's reached the point where strange dogs can come right up to her (though I try to avoid those situations), and she'll stay focused on me, leaving them alone, unless they touch her. As I mentioned above, a good trainer will be invaluable to you in working through this, so if at all possible, find one to work with.

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posted 09-13-2003 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goob     Edit/Delete Message
Maisey, have you seen those Premier collars? They're one of the few brands I was actually considering, though I decided against them because I was hoping for a wider collar. Here's a page with pics/description... http://www.sitstay.com/store/equip/collars3.shtml

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posted 09-13-2003 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puttin510     Edit/Delete Message
The martingale collars can be made with leather, chain and metal dee rings without a problem.

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Maisey
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posted 09-13-2003 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maisey   Click Here to Email Maisey     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Goob, once again I found something in your posts that I learned from.
I also keep more than one thing on Witt at a time. He has a flat collar that he always wears, but when I take him somewhere he wears a harness with a handle on it, like a Flyball designed harness plus the haltee with regular leash. I simply put a connector, the kind for walking two dogs on his long leash and ran it to the handle on the harness. He has more than once slipped his haltee when he got excited and I was grateful for the back up. I should have explained that point to the poster, glad you brought it up.

I got a business card from a guy who makes custom collars and martingales at the flyball tournament I went to over labor day weekend, he had boxes of them to sell there, but they were all made with very pretty and unique ribbons or fabrics which he lays over nylon. They were beautiful and made very well, but I didn't want "foo foo" for Witt, LOL, I know thats a silly reason, but it's honest. I told him that and he gave me his card because he will make them custom to order, including making them of leather with brass hardware which was what I stated I wanted. I will look for the card...I can't find it now, but he will ship. I was going to ask a friend of mine who has an auto upholstery shop to make me one if I could find the hardware, I know I can get the harness leather easily, tooled even! Like I said Witt is not dog aggressive and he doesn't pull on the lead when on it, his issues are when he is off lead and with people, specifically those looking at me or approaching me. Hopefully we will work through this and I will have a trustworthy dog in the end.

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posted 09-14-2003 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shade     Edit/Delete Message
I have to thank you all for your warm welcome and great advice. I'm very glad I found this place! Samson in his glory can be viewed here: http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=221931

See? A really lovely creature. ***I*** just need some training!

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posted 09-14-2003 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogangel   Click Here to Email dogangel     Edit/Delete Message
Shade,

Your baby is AWSOME!!!
Rottweilers are very protective, and I think yours is trying to protect you (believe it or not) from any and everything he perceives as potential danger.
Other than that, Goob's advice is very good.
That is a very good way to make him understand that you are the one who takes decisions.

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posted 09-14-2003 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shade     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Dogangel. He is indeed very very protective. I'll keep everyone posted on how the finding of a trainer and trainer goes. Sammy is a gorgeous animal and deserves to be able to be taken to the beach, on walks, to my work, etc.

Heading off to the pet store now for a secondary collar! Such a good idea!

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