Precious is prolly prego!!

[Samsintentions]

So as yall know I've been staying in Victoria and going home on weekends and two or three days a week for school. Well I've been paying my mother inlaw again to help her out and it helps me out alot too, to take care of my kennels and the horses and animals during the week while I'm at school.

She's been really good about it and did the same thing when I had my ACD's, other than leaving buckets lying around, and leaing lids of the feed bins.... other than that she's been goodand always does as I ask.

Well Precious came into heat, and She had strict instructions on how to keep her. She was to stay in the kennel with the peremeter electric fence on at all times. She was not to be let ou for anything!!! Unless there was an emergeancy.

Well a border collie had been hanging around and I've personally run him off and scolded his owner so I told her to take extra caution.

So I come home that week to check on things and Precious is out running around with the BC!!!! She comes out around the barn and said well she's not in heat anymore she's not bleeding!! Oh man, I friggin blew a gasket. I went off on her so hard, I kinda felt guilt about it... but now, we dont know if she's bred or not.

I have never in my life had such a screw up. EVER!!! She couldn't tell me how long she'd been out but it was over an hour, and that she had let her out before too..... and the electric fence has been off this whole time!!! She said she didn't think we needed it because it kept shocking her... OH PLEASE!! THATS THE POINT!!!!!

So ;my dogs will now be coming to Vicotria with me. i have to pay extra money here at the rent house to keep them here and spend the extra money to build all new escape proof kennels!

I guess its really my fault. I should have just taken her to the vets and borded her. But She's always done as I said and been sooo good. Now all the sudden its like she's been hit with the stupid stick!!

I talked to the breeder Precious came from and she raises border collies too and she reassured me that things happne and that she was intrested to see what the pups would come out looking like. She said we'll call them Borderboels!! LOL... I know not funny....

I had thought about doing the abortion with the injections. But thats just wrong and very expensive and could kill my dog. SO no thats not an option anymore. So if she is indeed pregnant, we'll just let her have them and adopt them out. If she is prego its 14 days today. So another week and she's going for a sonogram....

I'm so embarassed by this its not even funny. You have no idea what this does to my reputation!!

[Mockingcat]

Actually 'aborting' puppies can be done with a routine spay and has only a minimal additional risk to a spay surgery. Good luck with Precious.

[Jamiya]

You're new here Mockingcat, so you probably don't know that Sams is planning to breed Precious. She breeds working dogs - used to be ACD's but now she is breeding the Boerbels. So a spay would not be an option.

Sams - I'm so sorry! I HATE it when someone can't follow instructions!! But what's done is done, so just take a deep breath. Maybe all is well and she's not pregnant, against the odds.

[charmedagain]

Hi sam sorry to hear about this, I do not think it will put a black mark on your reputation as you a very well respected person.

At 14days into the pregancy your vet can actually give her an injection to abort the litter which she will reabsorb back into her body as the skeletons have not developed yet.

I personally would go and see the BC owner and tell them whatever you incur through vets bills having this sorted they are getting the bill, Its there fault by letting him roam around and still being intact, You have told them before so there for they should have listened.

Hope all turns out ok for you
Please keep us posted...

Mike

[coppersmom]

You could catch the BC and get him fixed lol.

Sorry to hear your girl might be knocked up...We've got our fingers crossed that she's not!

I hate it too when my parents don't follow basic instructions about my dogs when I leave them there. I can't board mine though...so I don't have any choice.

[Samsintentions]

I'm praying she isn't, but I'm expecting the worst...

No I will not spay her. She is a high quaility and very well bred South African Boerboel. She has some of the top bloodlines.

The BC that bred her is a very nice dog. He's well bred and has some nice lineage behind him. and oddly enough is a working dog. But the guy that owns him is an old man now in a wheelchair and he's a wiz at getting out of his yard... I suggested he get a perimeter collar, but he can't afford that.

I've even offered to neuter him, but he totally blew up on me.

[Mockingcat]

[Jamiya]

But your solution was a spay, which is not an option. I'm sure Sams evaluated all the options and chose what is best for her and her dogs. She always finds good homes for her rescue dogs.

[Mockingcat]

No, she feels it's not an option because it's a 'great' dog. But as I said, were I a breeder, I would prefer to set my breeding program back by spaying a great dog than to bring in another 4-12 mixed breed puppies for which there are a finite number of homes.

It's great that she's going to find them good homes. But it does s**k for the 4-12 dogs that already exist that would otherwise have gone into those homes. Not wanting to do something doesn't make it 'not an option', it means you don't want to do it.

[elizavixen]

I agree with Mockingcat. Not only are those puppies going to be taking the places of other 'accidental' puppies, but because of the particular breed, finding a proper home is not going to be easy. There are not a lot of ppl who will go to all that trouble (electric fencing, etc.) to keep control of a dog with the temperment and size of Boerboels.

I also don't see why you all are blaming the Border Collie owner. sure his dog shouldn't be loose, but it is ultimately the owner of the female dog in heat that is responsible for protecting her. And maybe he doesn't want his dog neutered b/c of his great lineage.

[Jamiya]

But she is just getting started! Spaying your first dog in a new breeding program is not a setback - it's an ending.

And of course the border collie owner is in the wrong. His dog should not be running loose on other people's property, whether he is intact or not. Sams' mother-in-law is also in the wrong, because she failed to follow simple, important instructions. Sams and Precious are the innocent victims.

[Mockingcat]

Of course, I'm sure having an intact bitch in heat outside nearby had nothing to do with the Border Collie going to great lengths to escape his pen, either.

[charmedagain]

Ok i can see this is going to get out of hand.

I am a breeder of German Shepherds, My sister brought her dog over and one of my girls was going throught a silent heat well he caught her and i had the litter terminated i would not have had her spayed. If i had not know that this had happened until she started showing then i would have allowed her to have the litter and rehomed them i would not have got my girls spayed they come from great bloodlines excellent temperaments all round great dogs..

Please do not jump on sam for this as its not her fault at all and she is doing what is best for her girl.


The main person to blame is the owner of the BC as this dog should not have been out roaming and going onto other peoples property , I can see what your saying about the fact there is an in heat bitch around, But still if the owner of the BC had him penned up he would not have been able to roam, How many other litters is this mans dog responsible for.

I agree sam's mum is partially to blame but the most blame lands on the owner of the BC..

Sam knows what she is doing and is very well respected.
Sam takes excellent care of her animals and always finds great homes for her rescues and does regular checks on them to make sure all is going well.

She is just starting her breeding plan and i agree with Jamiya spaying precious would end this.

Please do not think the owner of the BC is the innocent one.
I stand by sam and jamiya on this......

Mike

[Mockingcat]

Sorry, the intention wasn't to jump Sam, my concern was for the puppies. It seems even more of a shame to 'waste' one of the dog's pregnancies on mixed breed dogs (since I've never met a breeder that lets a bitch have more than 2 litters).

Neat that you're a GSD breeder! My father owns a GSD. Gus managed to pull a post set into concrete out of the ground trying to get out of his pen when our neighbor's dog was in heat. Luckily we were there and caught him.

Anyway, good luck to Sam with the puppies, and finding them homes. It's not personally a path that I would choose, but everyone does their own thing, I s'pose.

[elizavixen]

Precious is the only innocent victim. And the puppies.

[doglover1234]

Ok while we are on the subject I am merly asking to clairify something I had always been told. I have always been told that if a purebreed breeds with another breed they should not be breed again for chance of ruining the lines in future breedings since she had un pure puppies. Or something to that nature. I am sure this is not right but just wondering if anyone else had ever heard the same and if there is any truth to this .

[charmedagain]

This is not true at all..

example, Purebred BC Dam gets out and is mated by the local mongrel and has a litter of cross breed puppies, This does not affect her future litters as the cross breed only passed on his DNA to his offspring, Therefor his off spring can not be called purebreds as his offspring will in effect produce cross litters...
But this does not affect the purebred BC future litters..

This was believed to be tree many years ago that it would ruin the lines but years of research has proved this to be wrong...

Like i say my german shepherd got caught by my sisters dog and althought i had the litter aborted this did not affect her future litters..

Hope this has cleared this up for you

Mike