pedigree (family tree) ?

totalstaff · New member Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 4 Location: adelaide

hi guys,
i have a 2 yr old amstaff and was wondering if anyone knew where i can get his family tree from.
i already have 7 generations but want to find out further back.
is there a web site i can go to that has a database of pedigrees

spencerpits · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:02 am Post subject:

You can try www.mfspitbull.com/pedigree1 (free) or www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com ($30/year, but much more extensive).

True_Pits · Super Senior Member Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 1433

Spencerpits has it covered, the free one is cool because its free but not as many dogs yet. You can put your dogs ped in the free one and then maybe we can help you by looking at it and finding the dogs in the 7th gen and posting their pedigree.

Shineillusion · Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject:

Ok, question. If the sites posted are for APBTs, is information on AmStaffs going to be included? AmStaffs are an AKC registeded dog. APBTs are not. And the original question was about AmStaffs, not APBTs.

Sara · Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject:

I think you'd have to go to the AKC to get the extended pedigree and I'm sure you'd have to pay for that... NOT sure about websites though...I don't know if AKC will do it online...

I'd imagine that because this is an Amstaff you'd have to go with AKC and Amstaff sites rather than APBT sites which are more likely UKC or ADBA run...(well the dogs would be UKC or ADBA registered)...

True_Pits · Super Senior Member Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 1433

Yes if you post the 7 generation on the free site, people can look at the 7th generation of the pedigree and find those dogs in peds online (the site that cost $30) and they would be in there. It doens't run on registy dogs that are AKC, UKC, ADBA, CKC, AADR or not registered at all have been put into the database. There are many ASTs in the database as well and AST go back to APBTs.

totalstaff · New member Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 4 Location: adelaide

thanx for your replies .
i have looked at the free website and got a couple of more generations.
i found that my boy has alot of ruffian dogs and bitches in his lines, is this a good line and can anyone tell me the faults that the line carries?

MaxKellyAST · Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:52 pm Post subject:

On a long enough timeline, most amstaffs will have ruffian or xpert in their pedigree. Since these dogs are the foundation of most modern amstaffs and there are so many of them its hard to say what "their" faults are. The answer could be many and few, depending on the direction the dogs went. Its probably doesnt matter too much being as much as 7 gens or more back.

My friend told me once of a famous pit dog man, whos name I wont say but we would all recognize, wrote him a letter, and on the issue of his name being used with the dogs, people saying I have such and such bloodline, he commented that "you can change a pitbull into a german shepard in 3 generations" meaning if he didnt breed it people didnt have "his bloodline".

So the answer to your question (some may have a different, more educated answer)... On a bloodline that old and with that much diversity,
the answer is probably unclear. But ruffian dogs hold several records, and their accomplishments are undeniable, Hope this link helps you put a face to some of the names:

http://sunbolt1.tripod.com/Ruffiangreats/index.html

True_Pits · Super Senior Member Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 1433

So why don't you want to put his name out? Sounds like a good saying to me, because bloodlines can be easily changed and manipulated, whole breeds can. But if you breed true to the line/breed you can keep it pretty close to original, personal bias though probably influance somethings.

MaxKellyAST · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:19 am Post subject: