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StormyMoon
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| I'm not trying to be contrary, just trying to figure things out... so bear with me.... The UKC site says that dogs over the standard height and weight are not penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy, so I'm not sure about the weight argument. There must be a way to check a dog's show background??? |
This is true about what the standard states, but your probably not going to see a proportionate and typy 100lber, however if these big show correct dogs existist judges still wouldn't put them up (some would call it biased others would agree because it goes against the breeds size). There are too many great dogs that are the right size for them to put up dogs that are oversized and a lot of times undersized (below 35lbs) have a hard time placing. One time I was talking with someone who recently purchased an ADBA registered massive 90lbs 10 month old, they told me the dog was a show winner. I laughed (to myself) and said no judge would ever put that dog up, not even if it had good conformation. I asked for the dogs registered name, looked it up in the Gazette and no dog by that name had ever placed in any conformation event. But the person selling the dog claimed otherwise and the buyer believed so. You could try and find out by calling the UKC to find out though, but its very doubtful.
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| Another theoretical question.... If the pits are being bred with Matiffs to get bigger dogs... The temperament should be getting better shouldn't it??? |
I don't really understand the question, maybe you could clarify? IMO APBTs have the best temperament you could ever ask for, of course I think they have a lot of "best" because they are my favorite breed. But they are a very stable and sound dog, intellegent, gentle, friendly, trainable (some are a little stubborn yes), ect Easily earn CGC and such, make great Therapy/SAR dogs and score high on the TT scores. So I think they have a very good temperament and I'm not sure how it could really be improved. Also I even think the opposite, thats its ruining their temperament. If you take the swinford bandogge (if you're not familiar with this breed it comes from crossing an APBT with a Neo Mastiff), these dogs tend to have a shy temperament and lack confidence, which leads to a really cowardly dog or one displaying fear aggression, others have guard instincts, so instead of being just dog/animal aggressive they are also prone to human aggression, this is not a "good" temperament to me because its not true to the breed and its unpredictable and especially dangerous. A human aggressive dog with monster size and determination of a pit. One of these big curs was at ADBA Nationals when I was getting my dog sized for a harness, the lady loved her and had no problem sizing my dog herself and comenting on how friendly and happy she was, while she said how scared she was earlier because one of the big 100lbers tried to bite her when she went to help with sizing. This is not a rare case, my friend has one of these types of "pit bulls" as well who is VERY fear aggressive, if you approah him and he feels threatened he will lunge and growl and act like a cur. Not a good temperament or image for our breed, as he's a "pit bull" trying to attack people he's fearful of. |
And here I was worried to death my pit was to small but seems to be very average hieght I guess that is a relief lol...
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True_Pits
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She is 30lbs chain weight, gets called a puppy....lol |
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Freedom
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Location: Winston-Salem, NC
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| Awesome dog truepits. At swampdog kennels here in NC they are very big into weight pulling and hold many titles and records. Their dogs range anywhere from 28lbs to 90lbs. They have this one male, I forget his name, but he was 28lbs but AWESOME at weight pulling. |
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True_Pits
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Yes I am famaliar with Swamp Dog Kennels and their paper hung AB and DDB 90lbs pull dogs  , as well as their smaller and much nicer APBT/SBTs. |
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Freedom
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Location: Winston-Salem, NC
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| Yes, I have seen their 90lb "pit bulls" and they are probably more then likely mixed, but my point was that they are a HELL of a weight pull trainer. They have done really well with their dogs as far as medals and accomplishments go. |
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MaxKellyAST
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Location: USA Oklahoma
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OMG True, I think im in LOVE!! 
I want one of that dogs get!!! |
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Sara
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Not probably they are mixed... Whopper dogs are KNOWN to be DDB and AB no disputing it...they're registered and that's that... SAME with Dagger dogs... BOTH lines put out GREAT pullers though...no doubt!
I myself like the smaller pullers like Wilhe makit etc... Eddington had GREAT LITTLE dogs too...everyone overlooks them... |
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True_Pits
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They do have the Wilhe Makeit stuff too with the Johnny Rotten dogs, which is their APBT/SBT. I'm not debating that they have some good weight pullers, because they do, but I don't like big ugly mastiff mutts being called and being registered as APBTs.
No doubt he had great little dogs! They do seem to get overlooked a lot, because if you mention the name eddington what most people think of is Whopper. But Wilhe Makeit was a great dog and not a mutt, Pocket Pits/Two Bits kennels have some very nice Wilhe Makeit blood. As well as some Frisco, Jeep and such.
Max you really like her? She's my newwest addition only had her for a couple weeks now. She is one of the cutest dogs, she is so, so sweet too. Loves all over you. Thats what makes her a good puller, that and her drive and love for it, but she will try to get to you no matter what it takes. Can't wait to get her in competition, well see how it goes. |
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Sara
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Location: Wyoming
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Those love bugs make the best pullers eh? LOL... She looks like she's got a champion in there for sure! Talk about determination...she eeeeks of it just from the pics...LOL... I LOVE the little Eddington dogs...LOL... I have a friend that was his buddy for a time and has a few of his dogs on his yard... QUITE a few I would say... GREAT dogs...
I too hate the big mixed ones but can't do anything about them...since...they were registered on hung papers so long ago...ugh... Frustrating for sure...especially when they're the reason people THink Pits are giant monsters... |
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ozzie
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| I haven't seen the 90 pounds plus pit bull, Has any one pictures?. |
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someday
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Here's a picture of Whopper
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