American Pitbull Terrior/Staphshire (sp) Terrior?

GlenC · Member Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Oklahoma

What is the difference in the two. I have always thought they are the same dog. I have recently found that the APBT is not recongnized by the AKC but the ST is? I am very confused Question

Freedom · Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 4:28 pm Post subject:

The American Pit Bull Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier are not the same breed. The staffy bull is recognized by the AKC and the APBT is recognized by the UKC. "Back in the day" lol, the Amstaff and the APBT used to be the same breed before they were split with the AKC and the UKC. When the AKC recognized the Amstaff the AKC people started breeding for the AKC standards and conformation, thats when the APBT and the Amstaff started being bred apart. Today they are different breeds, but very similar, I look at them as cousins. As for the staffy bull they are related to the Amstaff and APBT as well since they all come from the same ancestors, but bred apart for different tasks and working purposes so they are not the same breed. The APBT is recognized by the UKC, the AKC recognizes the Amstaff because they wanted to steer away from the negative stigma that comes with the title "American PIT BULL Terrier".

SugarLovesPits · Member Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 116 Location: NE PA

OK Freedom although you are generally right in what you said you kinda confused me a bit and prob. Glen to! No offense but it seems you used Amstaff and Amstaff bull terrier as interchangable! The American Staffordshire terrier and the American Stafforshire Bull terrier are also different breeds, I believe the biggest difference being size as the staffy bull is smaller. There is also the bull terrier and the mini bull terrier, yes Glen it does get kind of confusing!! Anyway all of the dogs I mentioned are regonized by AKC. Freedom was right in saying the AKC basically refuses to recognize the American Pitbull terrier due to the undue stigma it holds.

Sara · Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:20 pm Post subject:

AKC recognizes the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, The American Staffordshire Terrier, the Bull Terrier (white and color) and the Mini Bull Terrier (white adn color)...

THAT's the AKC lowdown...and all are different breeds of Bull/Terrier type...

THEN you have the UKC who recognizes the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, the American Pit Bull Terrier and the Bull Terrier colored, white and minis... They are all different breeds within the UKC...

Am Staff and APBT are different from one another because of the different registeries and different standards for each but they both were born from the APBT ultimately...which branched off from the Staffy Bull Terrier and other Terriers and bulldog crosses... ALL of those breeds are confusing because they all come from the Bulldog/ Terrier crossing for bull baiting and bloodsports... They just have different standards in size and build... That's about he only thing separating them in terms of breeds of dogs... They all have very much the same basic temperment. The Am Staff is the newest of them all...being an american version of the anti-gladiating APBT...standard wise the breed is far from it's APBT gamedog of old where the current UKC APBT is not as far in standard from it's ancestory of gamedogs...

VERY confusing no doubt...but by keeping the registries/clubs straight it's easy to figure out which is which in terms of the Am Staff and the APBT... The others are the same no matter what registry you are looking at.

a UKC registered APBT can be registered with the AKC as an Am Staff etc...and vice versa...HOWEVER...it must follow the AKC's standard etc... It's VERY odd and even APBT enthusiasts tend to get a bit lost on the two breeds and registries... close cousins is a way to think about it...?

I'm sure I just confused things more...should have stayed with just that one or two first paragraphs...if you are confused just stick to the AKC dog list and UKC dog list to make it straight in your mind.

GlenC · Member Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Oklahoma

Actually no you did a great job of explaining it. I have another question. The puppy we got supposably is registered. However, for some reason the owners were unable to get the litter registered. Due to lose of job. Both parents are registered. Is there a way to register a single pup from a litter or does the whole litter have to be registered? It doesn't really matter if he has papers or not. I plan on having him spayed. but it would be nice to have the papers.

Thanks in advance

Glen

Freedom · Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:34 pm Post subject:

"OK Freedom although you are generally right in what you said you kinda confused me a bit and prob. Glen to! No offense but it seems you used Amstaff and Amstaff bull terrier as interchangable"

Actually, I was comparing the Amstaff, the staffy bull, and the APBT all together. Also its called the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, there is NO american in front. There is the American Staffordshire Terrier and there is the American Pit Bull Terrier. I was comparing all 3 of them, but I guess some people got confused along the way, sorry about that.

MaxKellyAST · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:25 pm Post subject:

We talked about this once before and I brought it back up to the foreground. Visit the thread "the bull and terrier breeds"
Enjoy! Good job Sara....

goob · Senior Member Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 810

MaxKellyAST · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:45 pm Post subject:

Good goob I didnt catch that, sort of like all Amstaffs can be pitbulls but not all pitbulls can be Amstaffs.

Sara · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject:

Thanks Goob...that's what I meant...but...LOL...couldn't get it out right...

SugarLovesPits · Member Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 116 Location: NE PA

Freedom just wanted to say I meant no offense, actually I think I went on to thoroughly confuse myself. It's like in my head I know the difference and understand it all, then i try to say it or even read what someone else said and I get all kinds of confused!! It really is a confusing subject, dontcha think? LOL

abbeys-mom · Member Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 140 Location: canada

Is there also an English Staffie as well?

MaxKellyAST · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:11 pm Post subject:

I think that is another name for staffordshire bull terrier

True_Pits · Super Senior Member Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 1412

There is an Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier

lukiebo · Member Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 23

The way that I remember it, during research of the breeds, I found an article that stated that the Staffordshire Bull Terriers were the original breed brought from England to America. (remembering Staffordshire is in England.) The settlers needed a bigger dog for the homestead duties and bred the Staffordshire Bull Terrier with bigger dogs to do what they needed. Thus came about the American Staffordshire Terrier and the American Pit Bull Terrier. By dropping the "Bull", it seemed to make people more comfortable with the dogs (not soo scary) when it came to AKC and UKC registry which is the beginning of the 2 different breeds, making it a total of 3 breeds: The Staffordshire Bull Terrier, the American Staffordshire Terrier and the American Pit Bull Terrier. The Stafforshire Bull Terrier is the smallest fo the 3.

Another interesting fact that I came across a few times in the breed research is that a human could reach into the fight and grab a dog out and never worry about getting bit in the heat of it all. These original dogs would not bite a human even if it wasn't their own "master" grabbing them.

lukiebo · Member Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 23

I tried to find an Irish Staffordshire Terrier and only found an Irish Terrier, there is no similarity in the looks of this breed with the "Bull" breeds. I was curious to know what an Irish Staffordshire Terrier would be.
Hope this helps.
Going to the AKC and the UKC websites are great sources of information for starts.
It is confusing... just trying to help sort things out.

True_Pits · Super Senior Member Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 1412

If you would like to an ISBT
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/irishstaffordshirebullterrier.htm

http://www.gotpetsonline.com/irish-staffordshire-bull-terrier/irish-staffordshire-bull-terrier.html

The ISBT has mostly been kept a game breed of dog that usually looks similar to APBT, these dogs and the performance bred SBT resemble the APBT very much. While the American and Show bred SBT looks more similar to the AST and is obviously a show dog.

lukiebo · Member Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 23

Wow!!! You learn something new everyday!!!!
I did not find anything when I searched.... but I didn't search real well either... Surprised