castrating my pup at home

leeann · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject: castrating my pup at home

'if I castrate my 7 month old pup at home (I live on an island far from a vet) is it best with local anestia or OK without & how long might it take if I tie the rubber very tightly around his testiciles before they fall off?
Thanks ...Leeann
leeann@malapacao.com

Sara · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 4:31 pm Post subject:

I WOULDN'T recommend doing it at home... A trip to the vet is likely what is needed...or if you can't do that...keep tabs on the dog...but fixing him yourself...not something to do... Do you own livestock where you've done it yourself???

Mary_NH · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:40 pm Post subject:

I've heard of farmers who used to do this to goats back in the day....but I'd think a trip off your island for a day would be the wiser choice. That has got to be a very painful way to castrate - imagine it being performed to a human and think about the puppy being put through that

loves-da-pits · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:56 pm Post subject:

leeann, please don't consider this!! Please promise me you won't. This is considered animal abuse anywhere on the planet. Livestock is not casterated like this in the civilized world.

If there are no animal doctors that you have access to, I'd say, leave the dog entact.

charmedagain · Moderator Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 2260 Location: uk

NO NO NO please try and get him to a vet an allow them to do it.
Here in the UK its even illegal for farmers to castrate there animals a vet has to do it as, Love-Da Pits says its classed as animal cruelty and again if you can not get to a vet leave him intact and just keep a close eye on him...

Mike

Rene · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:37 am Post subject:

i agree with love da pitts if you are on an island why would you casterate him just let him be and how could you even think of doing that yourself that is so curel i could not even imange i didnt even know they did that to livestock that is just mean

kindness_001 · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:16 am Post subject:

I know farmers do that to hogs but i never heard of doing it to a dog God Forbid. That ideal makes me hurt all over. Oh my please make trip to vet or leave him whole.

nern · Moderator Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 5042 Location: NY

I think this is a cruel way to castrate any animal. I would just leave him intact.

kyles101 · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:

i feel sick.

seaecho · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject:

Several years ago, I had my horse vet come out and castrate my pygmy goat that way (the bands around the testicles). Never again! I had no idea it would be done that way. I had just assumed it would be done as a male dog is done - under anesthetic, with the testicles removed. That poor goat cried for two-three days afterward. He was in awful pain. And it looks like I'm not the ONLY one here who feels sick. . .

Sara · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject:

Ever worked cows? I think we had about 50 head or more of calves to vaccinate, dehorn, brand and "cut"... I can't imagine the vet bill had a vet come out to do it...perhaps there was a vet there??? I vaccinated but I'll for sure tell you nothing is grosser than the "cutting" of the calves...

I do have to say that livestock is different only because there are so many to deal with at once...I'd NEVER fix my own animal livestock or not...

horse_child · Member Joined: 18 Jun 2004 Posts: 433

Ya i was gonna say, obviously most here haven't worked cows, i'm helping my neighbor castrate, vaccinate, and preg check about 200 head this spring (having each cow either get a preg check or get castrated) and i've never done it before. i've castrated sheep before and it can't be much different. farmers can't affoard to have their cows "cut" like you would cut a dog. most can't even affoard health insurance (trust me, i would know) besides i don't think very many vets would castate that many cows, even 20 cows would be pushing it. i wouldn't do that to a dog, but cows? sure.

horse_child · Member Joined: 18 Jun 2004 Posts: 433

oh and de-horning and branding. personally i don't like branding, i think it looks like it would hurt. if i had my way they would get a tatoo like you tatoo a racehorse. but then it would make it a guessing game when you round them up. i have to do the branding though, cause me and my horse and one of the few that can rope.

loves-da-pits · Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:45 am Post subject:

I was born and raised in Iowa and have seen livestock castrated. It's a quick process, but painful for the animal at the time none the less I'm sure. All animals are given antibiotics. Recovery is usually quite quick.

To bind the testicles with a rubber band is painful for an extended amount of time. The blood supply is cut off and necrosisi is the result. Gangrene will develope and infection will spread throughout the blood system.

It's a myth to say that if you put a rubber band on an animals testicles or any part of their body, it will "dry up and fall off." We've had puppies come into the rescue where someone has put rubber bands on the tails thinking it will die and fall off. All you have is a very sick puppy in pain, full of infection throughout its body. The tissue is dead and decayed, but the tail will not fall off. Same with the testicles.

I still say if you love your dog at all, do NOT do this.

Sara · Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject:

LOL I was trying to illustrate that very point...fast painfull but over quickly and no problems from infection and no prolonged issues with the castrating of cattle in the manner here... BANDING on the other hand...NOT a good idea and can be dangerous and VERY painfull for an extended time... VET VET VET.

Trixiepoo · Member Joined: 12 Apr 2004 Posts: 292

thats sounds horrible is that much of a prob. to leave the island 4 a day

Samsintentions · Moderator Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 4327 Location: Texas

I castrate my own cattle. Basically its painless and done when the calves "hit" the ground. With in 3 weeks of birth. We basically round them up. Put them on the ground and "band" them. Banding, we place a thick rubber ring about the size of your pinky, around the top of the testicles as high as we can. We do this with a set of plier looking tool with four prongs to spread the ring out, and slide the testicles as far as we can....

This is painless, humane, and done only with training and LOTS of education.

I've also casturated using what we call a "crimper" We use a local anesthetic to deaden the area, and this tool will cut the testicles off and crimp and carterize all the vessles, and ves defrens, and "tubes".

They aregiven antibiotics and the wound is treated with medication before releasing the calves.

We ONLY do this because we have SOOO many cattle, we've been TRAINED to do it by a VET, and we know what we are doing.

DO NOT casturate your own dog!!!! Its not the same as cattle!!!

seaecho · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:25 pm Post subject:

Like the other poster, I've also seen dogs brought into the hospital where I worked with bands around their tails because their owners were too cheap to have a vet dock them. These dogs had terrible infections and were in a tremendous amount of pain. Ever think what it would be like to "band" your arm, and then wait until it falls off? I guarantee the band would not stay on there longer than a few minutes! You wouldn't be able to tolerate the pain. Animals have feelings, and they feel pain just like we do! Why can't some people understand that? And yes, in answer to the other poster's question - the vet was already at my house, castrating my stud colt when I asked her to do the goat too.

dianne · New member Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 1

Don't feel bad leeanne - I was just looking up the same thing as to whether you can do this yourself with castrating bands. I have a Lab that thinks he is the King of the neighborhood and the Stud of the Century. As you can imagine, his actions can get on your nerves at times. I also thought about using them on my husband since he don't need them. Ha! Ha! Very Happy

He didn't much care for the idea so I decided against it. But it would have been good practice before I tried it on my dog. Right?