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Walt Member

Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 305 Location: CT.
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loves-da-pits Senior Member

Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 919 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Walt: Loved your link! This is what I loved the most. "By the AKC's own estimates, a majority of newcomers to the sport, stick with it an average five years, when they give up or move on to a new HOBBY, they leave behind a trail of dogs that were not systematically bred to do a job, they were bred to produce ribbons and often by people who never completely finished reading a book on their own breed." I love it when I think something and someone comes along and says it so well. |
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Jas Moderator

Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Posts: 774 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Oh please! I won't be cross posting this anywhere. As a breeder who works hard ensuring that my dogs are still to standard and quite capable of doing their job, I hate to see such blanket statements, when clearly this is not always the case. I show my dogs and they can still do their job.
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This is what show ring breeders do -- they ruin working breeds. And it is not just the AKC show ring, either -- it's the UKC show ring and the JRTCA show ring as well. Give any show ring enough time, and it will ruin any breed of working dog -- it always has and it always will.
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Not denying this happens, but it does not happen with every breed. I've also seen many working dogs look NOTHING like the breed they are supposed to be. Guess it works both ways.
Breeders should strive for it ALL. |
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Walt Member

Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 305 Location: CT.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Jas,
The post is talking about the rule not the exception. |
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True_Pits Super Senior Member

Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 1446
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| My dogs van still do their job, performance dogs are the true dogs, but I still like my dogs in the standard with everything at its best. But I agree many breeds have been ruined as a whole by the Akc/Ukc. Look at their version of the APBT or GSD. |
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Jas Moderator

Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Posts: 774 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| The post is talking about the rule not the exception. |
Hardly an exception.
Really it isn't difficult for a breeder to strive for the complete dog.
As much as everyone wants to blame the AKC, judges or registries are NOT the keepers of our breeds - breeders are. A judge can only judge what is presented to them. The first step is to educate breeders, join your breed club, be the voice. With the breeds that are losing working ability people should step in and be the reminder that dogs should be the complete package. |
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spencerpits Senior Member

Joined: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 453 Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:29 pm Post subject: Aimimg for the total package - gameness and conformation |
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| Well, personally, I agree with both points of view. But as far as just the APBT goes, I have to agree with the article. Look at the AKC and the UKC version of the APBT. Do you think those oversized, 'pretty' dogs could do their job of bringing down big game as well as a truely game bred APBT? However, we do need to stick to the standard for certain reasons. A well bred, conformationally correct APBT that is a cur is capable of outlasting a poorly bred, exceptionally game APBT. Here is an article that explains the importance of the entire package. It asks the question: What if this incredibly game APBT had been bred closer to it's conformation standards? How much better could it have been? http://www.workingpitbull.com/soundness.htm |
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Walt Member

Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 305 Location: CT.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Dam good articale spencerpits
Thanks. |
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