Haven't been here in a while....new pics

spencerpits

MyPetTherapyDog · Senior Member Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 665

What beautiful dogs!
I love your porch too!

spencerpits · Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject:

Thanks and thanks. Mr. Green

spencerpits

Here's the images, instead of links:

BJ:

Blackie:

Gauge:

Leo:

Maggie:

Jasmine:

spencerpits · Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:55 pm Post subject:

Nobody else has anything to say? Aww - come on people...don't make me beg! LOL.

someday · Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject:

Everyone is cute!
BJ seems to have filled out a bit since the last pic I saw!
I don't remember Blackie, but he/she sure is cute!

spencerpits · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:07 am Post subject:

goob · Senior Member Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 810

Well, I wasn't going to say anything about it, but I was slightly amused to see that your dog Sammy is now a 2xw, amazing how quickly one can go from trying to pump out "albino" pups to accomplished gamedog breeder... guess it's something special in the water Your the best

spencerpits · Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject:

True_Pits · Super Senior Member Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 1412

spencerpits · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:15 am Post subject:

There is a difference in game bred dogs and game dogs. I will never claim any of my dogs are game, because I don't plan to find out for myself. I won't even go as far as to say that Sammy is game, because I haven't seen him preform with my own eyes. But, I will say that my dogs are game bred. Some from proven parents, some from proven lines but untested parents. And yes, at least in my opinion, I have come a long way. When I breed my next litter, it will be for my own yard. I will be keeping all but one or two, and those will likely be farmed out to working kennels. When I bred my first litter, I did just about everything wrong. Almost as bad with my second litter. I do not plan to be a part of the "pit bull problem" anymore. So yes, those old discussions helped greatly! All the "flaming" and "hating" actually made me open my eyes and realize that at the time, I was the problem.

Anyway - True, thanks for the compliment on Leo. He's doing wonderfully! He absolutely LOVES the flirt pole I made for them.

Just to share, hopefully, I'll be getting a male from this litter born just the other day: http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=124834 Mr. Green

True_Pits · Super Senior Member Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 1412

I understand their is a difference. A game dog is one that is proven game, and like you said you aren't going to find out. But in order to be breeding gamebred dogs you'd have to find out if the parents are game or not. A dog from game lines isn't really considered gamebred, a gamebred dog comes from proven game parents. Unless you say it with a different meaning, meaning the parents are gamebred therefore you are breeding gamebred dogs. But when people usually say they are breeding something they mean the product (offspring) they are producing are gamebred, showbred, pullbred but a lot of people still go off the dogs lines. But I call those empty claims, its no different then someone saying they breed show dogs because their dogs come from show lines or show parents (meaning the parents parents, the pups grandparents). At least thats how I look at it. And it works the same in game dogs or whatever type of dog your breeding, if you are not proving those dogs then you have nothing to back it up. Its like if I never showed my dogs but said I breed for conformation, the litter wouldn't have any less chance of coming out with quality conformation if I never showed the parents, but at the same time their is no proof or anything to back up the reasoning behind the breeding. I also have gamebred dogs from proven parents, they are awesome dogs.

That is a very nice litter you are looking at!!! I like it. Really tight Bingo. Since I just had a litter drop on friday I'll be waiting a little while before I add anything to my yard, since I have those pups. But that is real nice.

DeLaUK · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject:

Nice looking dogs, how old is Jasmine? shes adorable, Blackie looks like a dog I had about 20 years ago...Rambo. Smile

spencerpits · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:40 am Post subject:

Very good point True. You have certainly given me food for thought (as you usually do Very Happy

). Once again - I find myself re-evaluating my reasons for breeding (not that I have any plans to breed for a while). Either way though - game, gamebred, or whatever - any future breedings will be for myself. I don't stud my dogs out. And if I farm out any pups to working kennels, it will be with the express understanding that I do not game test my dogs. Right now, I'm just enjoying my dogs. And looking forward to my Tab female, as well as hoping I can get that RB male. As someone on another forum said, "Can you say Bingo?" LOL.

DeLaUK - Jasmine is a little over 15 months. Thanks for the compliment on her. She's a real sweetie, just like her momma. Blackie is my son's pup. He's a real sweetie too. Heck, what am I saying - they're all sweeties! Mr. Green

True_Pits · Super Senior Member Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 1412

Oh really food for thought huh? Wow I wasn't really trying to or trying to make you look at your program, I was just trying to define terms...lol But then what do you mean by working kennel? Obviously I wouldn't tell you to send your dog off to a fighter, but what time of working kennel is it that you mean? Are you breeding your dog for working purposes then. I will be doing some hog hunting in the future I believe. See how that goes.

MaxKellyAST · Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject:

If your pups parents were great proven hog hunters would you then call the pups Gamebred, or if the pups were to prove themselves? It seems that catch dog would require much of the same inate traits as a fighting dog... it would probably be lumped into "working" however its still animal on animal aggression and the winner being the more persistant. So it seems to me in this instance people who fight dogs want to reserve the word "Game" and everything else being working.. but all things being equal one begats the other. So is it an exercise in semantics or am I missing an important distinction (which is altogether a great possiblity)?

PS> way of topic my appologies spenc, love the pics and the dogs. Continue the great work!!!

True_Pits · Super Senior Member Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 1412

I would call them hog dogs actually or bred for catch work. Yes it takes SOME gameness as do other activities even done by other breeds. I think the reason game is reserved to pit dogs in this breed is because this is the only activity which requires deep gameness, more gameness then compared to anything else and aggression won't get you very far.

spencerpits · Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject:

True - the reason you've got me rethinking things is because I can't call my pups game bred anymore than I can call my dogs game without doing something illegal. I intend to use them in both hog hunting and conformation shows. I guess you just made me realize I shouldn't call the pups game-bred just because their parents (or g-parents or whatever) are game-bred. I feel like the only way to really test for gameness is in the pit, and that's illegal. So, part of my way of proving my dogs worthiness of breeding is sound conformation and working ability through hog hunting. I want to work with game lines. This is where the confusion was. Instead of saying my pups/dogs are game bred, I need to say from game lines. IE: Redboy, Jeep, Nigerino, etc.

Anyway....on a side note, I won't be getting one of those tight Bingo males. Only 3 in the litter, so their keeping them all. I did find a pretty tight Jeep male (I'm planning to work with mostly Jeep, Redboy, Nigerino, and crosses of the three) nearby me for sale. Waiting to hear back on if they still have him available. Here's his ped:http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=141595

True_Pits · Super Senior Member Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 1412

Oh I see what you mean. Thats a nice male too y the way. I'm thinking about getting some dogs off Willie in the future, maybe in a few months.

spencerpits · Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:49 pm Post subject:

Yea - before I found that male for sale, I had asked about an upcomming litter from Willie x Midnight. Unfortunately, they're only expecting her to drop 4-5 pups. They've already promised one to a friend, so unless she surprises them, I won't be able to get one out of that litter. They've got a Jeep/RB female for sale that they've bred to Willie. I'd love to get her, but I know I couldn't afford her. LOL. Money's just a little too tight right now. They've also got a nice Tab breeding going on. Only talked to them online, but they seem like really nice people.

Anyway - I forgot to give my definition of working kennel. To me, a working kennel is one that does something with their dogs other than just breeding. Hog hunting, weight pulling, agility, conformation, fighting (although illegal, that is a form of working them), etc. If I don't stop letting life get in the way of attending dog shows (lol) I'm gonna just have to hang up my hat and give up. It galls me to see "kennels" that don't do anything with their dogs, but at the same time I haven't been able to attend the first show! Ugh! Well, you better believe yall will hear about my first show (and every one after that too). Especially if I go home with any ribbons! Orion is looking so forward to handling Blackie in Jr Handlers. I'd like to show BJ and Gauge.